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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ75, 75b, 75 SAO inc the Transitional => Topic started by: zemscz75 on March 18, 2009, 08:34:03 PM
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Does anyone know if the Magnum Research Baby Eagle 9mm 15-rnd Magazines (http://www.magnumresearch.com/Expand.asp?ProductCode=MAG915 (http://www.magnumresearch.com/Expand.asp?ProductCode=MAG915)) will fit in a CZ 75B 9mm?
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I'll reply to myself. I just ordered 2 Baby Eagle 15-round 9mm steel based mags. I'll report back how they fit and how they function in my CZ 75B. If they don't, I'll just sell them on some forum :)
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curious too..thanks for doing the research
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Buying factory mags for the Baby Eagle might be a waste of money. I have a 9mm CZ75B and had a full size 9mm Baby Eagle and the factory CZ mags which are Mec-Gar and my other aftermarket Mec-Gar hi-caps fit and functioned perfectly in the BE and the Mec-Gars are only about $20 each. The BE only came with one factory ten rounder so I never tried it in the CZ.
Just to finish the story....I also have a 40 caliber CZ75B and I sold the 9mm BE and bought a 40 caliber BE. The factory ten rounders and aftermarket Mec-Gar hi-caps for the CZ are a tiny bit shorter than BE factory and the BE jams about half the time with the CZ mags. I bought some of the factory 13 rounders for the BE and they function perfectly in the CZ.
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Buying factory mags for the Baby Eagle might be a waste of money. I have a 9mm CZ75B and had a full size 9mm Baby Eagle and the factory CZ mags which are Mec-Gar and my other aftermarket Mec-Gar hi-caps fit and functioned perfectly in the BE and the Mec-Gars are only about $20 each.
I'd love to be able to pick up 15 round Mec-Gars as well however, the problem here is that I live in the lovely state of NJ where there is a 15 round cap on mags. I've only seen Mec-Gar 10 and 16 round mags. The best I could find were the BE factory mags, which are 15 rounds.
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Try living in CA where only 10 round mags are allowed, and no one sells them, not even Mec-Gar, based on my latest visit to their web site. yes, I know I can buy factory 10's for $40 a piece, if and when they actually had them in stock. :'(
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A friend I shoot USPSA with and has a Shadow claims, and showed me, that the BE mags work in his Shadow and mentioned that they were considerably less expensive than the standard SP-01 Shadow magazines.
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Are the SP-01 Shadow mags different than standard CZ 75B mags? I thought they were the same. The BE mags were a bit less expensive. The CZ Custom shop has the 16-rnd and 10-rnd factory mags for $37. The 15-rnd BE mags were $35 a piece.
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I would think that you should have no trouble locating 10 rd. mags .
Even folks like myself that do not live in a ban state should be willing to sell the 10 rd factory mags at a reasonable price.
I will admit paying $40 for a 10 rd mag is a tough pill to swallow .
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I would think that you should have no trouble locating 10 rd. mags .
Even folks like myself that do not live in a ban state should be willing to sell the 10 rd factory mags at a reasonable price.
I will admit paying $40 for a 10 rd mag is a tough pill to swallow .
Not as easy as you think even for the 10 round factory. They are no longer listed on the cz website!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have a used factory mag that came with my pistol when I bought it.
Send a email if interested ?
mikebaker1129@aol.com
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Mikebaker:
PM sent on factory mag, 10 round, 9mm.
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I received my 15 rnd Baby Eagle mags from Magnum Research. First of all, the shipping was great! I ordered them 5 days ago (3 business days) and have already received them. Great to deal with these folks!
I'm pleased to say that so far I'm happy with my purchase. I took the mags out of their packaging and they fit perfectly into my CZ 75B. I ordered the steel based mags so there's a small gap vs the way that my factory polymer based mags look. Magnum Research also offers a polymer based 15 rnd mag so maybe this one has a better fit. But the gap doesn't bother me.
I haven't yet taken the mags to the range. However, I have cycled a magazine full of snapcaps and it fed and extracted everything flawlessly. The slide also locks back on an empty BE mag, as expected. So far so good. I'll be going to the range soon so I'll be sure to post a range report.
Here are some pics:
(http://www.smugmug.com/photos/503442369_swrn9-L.jpg)
CZ 75B w/ CZ factory 10 round mag
(http://www.smugmug.com/photos/503442389_kahYf-L.jpg)
CZ 75B w/ Magnum Research Baby Eagle 15 round mag (note the small gap)
(http://www.smugmug.com/photos/503455700_6U64n-L.jpg)
CZ 75B slide locked back on BE mag
(http://www.smugmug.com/photos/503442420_cNd4i-L.jpg)
Both mags (BE on top, CZ on the bottom)
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Def let us know how everythig works out at the range, bc I'm in the market too bc I live in NJ, thanks for being the guinea pig
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Somewhat related to this thread is that I purchased a couple of the mags sold by CDNN several years back that fit the Baby Eagle/TZ75/ Springfield P9/Excam/Uzi Eagle. Not knowing that they were not supposed to fit a CZ75B.
Well a few months back and since I had had these mags for years ,I deceided to try one out.
It worked and it worked well ! It held the slid back and everything .
Now my mag was a 16 rd mag and I know that does nothing for the fellas in NJ, but I have to say that the BE 15rd mag should work in your CZ75B.
On another note I have 2 15rd mags that I am trying to figure out who made quality high caps in the CZ75 line that used stepped floor plates ?
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First range outing was a bit of a disappointment with the new BE mags in my CZ 75B. I didn't have much time to try the mags out (as I was attending a safety class - so I used my stock 10 rnds for most of the day) however, I was able to put a few test scenarios down range.
My first scenario was the BE mag loaded up with 1 round. - Fed perfectly, slide locked back.
My 2nd scenario, I loaded 5 rounds - again, fed perfectly and slide locked back on empty mag.
My 3rd scenario, I loaded 10 rounds - ditto as above.
My 4th scenario, I loaded a full mag (15 rnds) - first 3 rounds fed and eject just fine, the fourth resulted in a FTF. Looking into the ejector port, it looked like there was an attempt to feed 2 rounds into the chamber at the same time causing my gun to jam. I had to use a wooden dowel to push out the two rounds out of the ejector port. Neither of the 2 rounds were chambered fully. The round on top was nose down at about a 45 degree angle and the round on the bottom was nose up on the feed ramp.
After that I packed up and went home for the day :)
Next time I'm out again, I'll do some more tests. Any ideas as to what could cause an attempt to double feed rounds into the chamber?
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My guess is a hang up in the BE mag that allows the follower to jam removing tension from the rounds in the magazine. Without spring tension the rounds can easily shake loose during recoil. Check to make sure the follower can move freely through its whole range of operation, and cycle snap caps through the gun several times to check function.
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To continue on my quest to find reliable 15 rnd mags for my CZ 75B, I've gone ahead and ordered some Mec Gar 15 rnd mags made for the EAA Witness / TZ 75. I assume these should work well, as Mec Gar quality is supposed to be top notch...let's hope ;) I picked them up from this site:
http://www.gunaccessories.com/Magazines/EAA/EAAWitnessTZ75.asp (http://www.gunaccessories.com/Magazines/EAA/EAAWitnessTZ75.asp)
EAA Witness/ TZ-75 9mm 15 Round Blued Steel Mec Gar $29.95
Should be receiving them shortly and will report back.
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I bought my factory Witness/TZ75 mags from CDNN , but I believe mine held 16 rds.They now charge $14.95 for shipping + I have to pay Sales Taxes,because I live in Taxes .
Mine did function fine, I ran a couple mags through mine.
I have a couple 15 rd mags ,let me know if they will help you out?
I do not know the make they could be TZ75 or CZ75 factory mags ,I am not sure but they both do have stepped floorplates.
Let me know if I can be of help ? I realize you are in Jersey .
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My guess is a hang up in the BE mag that allows the follower to jam removing tension from the rounds in the magazine. Without spring tension the rounds can easily shake loose during recoil. Check to make sure the follower can move freely through its whole range of operation, and cycle snap caps through the gun several times to check function.
Follower seems to move freely the whole length of the mag. I was thinking of perhaps picking up a pack of replacement Wolff magazine springs to replace the stock BE mag springs. Took the BE mag apart and the spring seemed rather short, shorter than the stock CZ mag spring at least. Now the question is what power rating should I go with? +5% or +10% ?
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I bought my factory Witness/TZ75 mags from CDNN , but I believe mine held 16 rds...
Good warning here, I'll give them a call on Monday to verify that they are indeed 15 rnd mags and not really 16 rnd mags. Thanks for the offer for the 15 rnd mags. I'll let you know how these workout first.
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The package lists 16rds and they do infact hold 16rds.
Have you tried swapping the CZ spring and follower in the BE mag and trying it?
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http://www.gunaccessories.com/Magazines/EAA/EAAWitnessTZ75.asp (http://www.gunaccessories.com/Magazines/EAA/EAAWitnessTZ75.asp)
EAA Witness/ TZ-75 9mm 15 Round Blued Steel Mec Gar $29.95.
Confirmed, these are indeed 16 round Mec Gar magazines, *not* 15 round as printed. It's a misprint on their website.
Continuing the quest, I ordered a new set of Wolff +10% magazine springs for EAA mags (as the BE mags look to be Tangfolio made). I'll pop these in to see if feeding is more reliable. If so, these will be a nice set of 15 round mags for use in a CZ 75B :)
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I am going to take apart a few of the mags that I have and do some comparing. Witness 16rd , CZ75 15rd , CZ 75 16 rd and a Baby Eagle mag in .40, I want to see what the differences are so I can hopefully help you get something that is 15 rd that works and is NJ compliant .
You must be getting really frustrated by now,I know I would .
My witness and BE mags in .40 are identical ,except the BE had a red follower and the Witness is orange and the Witness is marked:Tanfolio made in Italy on the bottom of the floorplate and the BE mag is unmarked .
I will let you know what I find if anything.
Mike
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Nah, I'm not getting frustrated, I call it a learning experience :) Hopefully the new wolff springs will add the right amount of tension so that the BE mags feed properly in the CZ. By documenting all of this, I hope to save some people their time in getting a working setup together.
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My Witness mags look just like your BE mags .
The springs and followers are very different than the couple I pulled from the CZ mags and it doesn't appear that they are interchangeable.
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Even with the +10% Wolff Springs in the BE mag, I have been experiencing FTF's...2 types of ammo tested - Federal 124gr FMJ and Remington UMC 115gr FMJ. This problem only seems to happen with a fully loaded mag (15 rounds). My 10 round CZ mags work 100% of the time, so I guess we can conclude that although the BE mags fit in the CZ 75B, they do not work reliably. I hope this helps others - don't waste the time and $$ :)
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I came across these on CZ-USA's website today:
https://shop.cz-usa.com/item_detail.aspx?ItemCode=11100 (https://shop.cz-usa.com/item_detail.aspx?ItemCode=11100)
Wondering if these are indeed 15 round mags or are they 16-rnds as the others were.
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CZ-USA's response on this:
"They are 15 round magazines and will work just fine in the CZ 75B."
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Appreciate the research... looking forward to your results.
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I hope the 15 rnd mags from CZ work out for you. You've done your share of research on this subject.