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GENERAL => General Firearms Discussion => Topic started by: OHMike on March 31, 2013, 09:58:45 AM

Title: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: OHMike on March 31, 2013, 09:58:45 AM
Can anyone offer a review or personal experience with the Grand Power P1 Mk7 compact 9mm?

Title: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: Psyop96 on March 31, 2013, 05:19:52 PM
I plan on shooting the Grand Power (full size or compact) in a couple weeks at a pistol range in Prague. Was not familiar with this pistol until I stopped in at the range to get some information and there was a poster of it on a wall.

Title: Re: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: Aiden528 on March 31, 2013, 07:52:39 PM
I believe STI in Texas was importing these as their polymer offering under the model ID of GP6. I did not see it on thier website the last time I was there though.
Title: Re: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: JimThornTX on March 31, 2013, 08:01:47 PM
STI no longer imports them. Century Arms is the importer now.

http://centuryarms.biz/proddetail.asp?prod=HG2890-N
Title: Re: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: OHMike on March 31, 2013, 08:31:42 PM
I have been considering my next item. I was leaning big time toward a Canik (TriStar) C-100. I was also considering the polymer SARs and Witness from EAA. As the story so often goes, then I saw an aritcle about this pistol.

I am intrigued by the CZ-like layout, with a Berretta-like rotating barrel.

I'd love to hear if anyone has range time with one of these Slovakian pistols from the K100 series.
Title: Re: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: nalioth on April 01, 2013, 12:13:40 AM
I am intrigued by the CZ-like layout, with a Berretta-like rotating barrel.
Try "Steyr-like".  Beretta didn't come up with anything new . . .

Both the Beretta & K100 are following in the footsteps of the Roth-Steyr 1907 & Steyr-Hawn 1912 pistols.

Also, aside from the fact that the barrels rotate, the designs of the K100 & Beretta are quite a bit different.

I'll put some comparative pix up later, if anyone's interested.
Title: Re: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: Brian Ahearn on April 01, 2013, 07:52:28 AM
I own the full size model -very accurate fully ambi pistol. I would expect  the compact to be just as nice. Very short trigger rest and ergonomically sound.
Title: Re: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: dioscuri3 on April 01, 2013, 08:34:33 AM
interesting. CAI imports them but who is the manufacturer? Are they all steel? if so cast or forged?  I didnt know that they had a rotating barrel. That is what led me to Beretta Px4s and Cougars. It works well on reducing recoil but its always on a lighter polymer or aluminum frame pistol.
Title: Re: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: nalioth on April 01, 2013, 09:03:49 AM
interesting. CAI imports them but who is the manufacturer? Are they all steel? if so cast or forged?  I didnt know that they had a rotating barrel. That is what led me to Beretta Px4s and Cougars. It works well on reducing recoil but its always on a lighter polymer or aluminum frame pistol.
Grand Power K100 - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Power_K100)
Title: Re: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: Brian Ahearn on April 01, 2013, 09:31:47 AM
Mine has a ploy frame, you can't go wrong on the price either its just a plain old good value.
Title: Re: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: jdubya87 on April 01, 2013, 11:16:54 AM
I have the full size, my dad has the compact. We both love the ergonomics and the short trigger reset. Will eat just about anything you feed it. They just exude an air of quality construction. Very great value for what you get, and they can take modded CZ 75 mags/
Title: Re: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: JimThornTX on April 01, 2013, 12:52:41 PM
interesting. CAI imports them but who is the manufacturer? Are they all steel? if so cast or forged?  I didnt know that they had a rotating barrel. That is what led me to Beretta Px4s and Cougars. It works well on reducing recoil but its always on a lighter polymer or aluminum frame pistol.

Lots of good info in this thread -- http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=51140
Title: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: Psyop96 on April 10, 2013, 05:03:36 PM
Put 25 rounds through the full frame K-100 this week at a Prague range. Fits very nicely in the hand, low felt recoil (low bore axis), smooth DA trigger (I'm sure this specimen has been fired a lot so that may have contributed to this feature), and short reset trigger in SA that was just a pleasure to use.

The range instructor (required by Czech law to be present at your booth if one does not have a Czech firearms license) said it was a very good shooting, accurate pistol but it was very susceptible to fouling stoppages even after as few as 100-150 rounds with the rotating barrel. Again, that was one man's opinion and I am not sure how many specimens of the pistol he has worked with to form that opinion. Also, this is a Slovakian pistol and this was on a Czech range with potential for some national bias? ;-) Just saying, to be fair to the pistol.

Rental list (does not show Scorpion EVO 3 S1) -
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg43/ak405n9/Listjpeg.jpg)

Range pose  ;D
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg43/ak405n9/P1060845-a.jpg)

Target on the left is from the Grand Power K-100 at 10 meters (the right hand target was shot from a well-worn 7.65mm Cz 83 and not all shots were aimed at center mass).

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg43/ak405n9/Tgts.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: JimThornTX on April 11, 2013, 01:55:39 AM
The range instructor (required by Czech law to be present at your booth if one does not have a Czech firearms license) said it was a very good shooting, accurate pistol but it was very susceptible to fouling stoppages even after as few as 100-150 rounds with the rotating barrel.

Not true.

http://youtu.be/AxHIKfyFuDU

1,250 shots in 15 minutes
Title: Re: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: Psyop96 on April 11, 2013, 03:05:31 AM
I remember seeing that reliability test video and another. It is a fantastic shooting pistol with a very good stock trigger. If I get the chance, I'll go back to try the compact version....a nice list to choose from, plus the Scorpion EVO 3 S1, and it just adds up $ or Kž :)
Title: Re: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: JimThornTX on April 11, 2013, 08:58:03 AM
I remember seeing that reliability test video and another.

1000 round test.

http://youtu.be/7ivu09lQwJA
Title: Re: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: Canuck223 on April 21, 2013, 05:34:03 PM
Any gun left dirty long enough will chug to a halt.  I've got four Grand Power guns in the safe at the moment and used to have a fifth.

The very early Mk5's were built like match guns, with very tight tolerances. If I used dirty ammo, I needed to clean it every 400 rounds.
My STI GP6 (Mk6 frame) was as accurate but easily went 800 rounds before I felt the need to clean it.

I have two brand new X-Calibers and have put 1500-2000 rounds through the primary gun. New out of the box, #1 ran 400 rounds that first day without a hiccup. I have used it in two matches since April 12 and did clean it between matches, but then I always do prior to a match.

With the Mk7 frame's interchangeable grips, it's easy to get the gun to fit your hand perfectly.
The single action trigger is light and crisp, at about 3-3.5 lbs, and the DA trigger is between 8 and 9 lbs.

Brian Ahern commented that it has a polymer frame, and that's not exactly true.
It does have a polymer grip. The grip however is not structural. It only holds the magazine in position and anchors the trigger/trigger bow.

The gun is actually built like a STI 2011, with all the lockwork and stress points contained within a CNC machined steel frame.
Title: Re: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: Canuck223 on April 21, 2013, 05:55:34 PM
http://youtu.be/snFGXPocXxY (http://youtu.be/snFGXPocXxY)

In this one, I feel for Jaroslav, the owner of the company and designer. After a week long show, he's on his last vocal chord.
http://youtu.be/51irsD7P9zM (http://youtu.be/51irsD7P9zM)
Title: Re: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: Canuck223 on April 21, 2013, 06:02:50 PM
Just so all the cards are on the table here, I'm the team captain for the factory sponsored team in Canada.
I'm not an employee of the company or the Canadian distributor.

(http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq274/Canuck223/GP6/X-Calibur/552675_10200851297742988_1516671175_n_zps5ad71dba.jpg)

For the fathers out there, the top of the slide from my teams junior girls X-Calibur.

Century Arms is the distributor for the US.
Title: Re: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: Canuck223 on April 21, 2013, 07:48:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsH_2hJqXm8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsH_2hJqXm8)

OK, the timing could not have been better.
My main man in Maryland just shot this video of a P1 at his range.

Now approved for sale in Maryland.
Title: Re: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: Brian Ahearn on April 22, 2013, 08:14:32 AM
Great video , I am itching to get the compact model they are great shooters and his video showed that if you do your part you can't miss. I particularly like the short reset on the trigger and the ambi features.. I got the ful lsize model for teaching purposes but I see a compact in my future- I prefer compacts. I just wish I could find a supplier for extra factory mags.
Title: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: Psyop96 on June 10, 2013, 11:01:28 AM
I was pleasantly surprised to see a P1 at a LGS the other day. I asked the store assistant to handle it. Something I had not noticed while shooting the rental K100 at the Prague range was how loud and distinctive the cocking sound was...very loud click-clack, unlike any I've experienced with many other types of DA/SA pistols.

Very tempting.....
Title: Re: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: Canuck223 on June 14, 2013, 04:59:40 PM
I was pleasantly surprised to see a P1 at a LGS the other day. I asked the store assistant to handle it. Something I had not noticed while shooting the rental K100 at the Prague range was how loud and distinctive the cocking sound was...very loud click-clack, unlike any I've experienced with many other types of DA/SA pistols.

Very tempting.....

Yep, if you thumb cock it you can hear as the sear rides over the half cock and full cock hooks.

(http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq274/Canuck223/GP6/X-Calibur/JonnyShooting2_zps6fcb1c28.jpg)

Here's one of the Canadian team members rocking his X-Calibur.
Title: Re: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: jdubya87 on June 27, 2013, 11:41:39 AM
I own the full size model -very accurate fully ambi pistol. I would expect  the compact to be just as nice. Very short trigger rest and ergonomically sound.

Same and concur. I'm looking forward to more of their product line being imported.
Title: Re: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: e-mishka on July 11, 2013, 11:30:54 PM
I just ordered one from jgsales, what type of holster you guys are using?
Title: Re: Grand Power P1 Mk7
Post by: Canuck223 on July 13, 2013, 05:51:09 AM
I just ordered one from jgsales, what type of holster you guys are using?

(http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq274/Canuck223/GP6/X-Calibur/IMG_0041_resize_zps5fa4e1e3.jpg)

LHS  ;)