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GENERAL => Ammo and Handloading => Topic started by: 1SOW on May 24, 2014, 05:32:34 PM

Title: Making .22 Ammo
Post by: 1SOW on May 24, 2014, 05:32:34 PM
This has been around once before--I think,  but it makes even more baffling why we can't find .22LR ammo.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2014/05/how-22-lr-ammunition-is-made-must-see-video/
Title: Re: Making .22 Ammo
Post by: Radom on May 25, 2014, 01:01:32 AM
Well worth watching. 

4,000,000 cartridges a day from one plant ?!?!  Someone/something has to be interfering with distribution or there is hoarding on an unprecedented scale (or both). 
Title: Re: Making .22 Ammo
Post by: IDescribe on May 25, 2014, 08:34:28 AM
Gougers are still getting a premium for powder and .22 and a few other things, and of course end-users are buying it all up as fast as they can.  For the record, I have no problem getting .22 right now.  The two LGS's I use both have a variety in stock all the time.  It's over-priced, but it's available.
Title: Re: Making .22 Ammo
Post by: jameslovesjammie on May 25, 2014, 02:35:37 PM
Cheap .22 is a thing of the past.  Even if supply would return to normal, we will never see sub-$20 bulk packs again.  (It wasn't that long ago we had $10 bulk packs!)  Retailers now know just how much people are willing to spend. 

I just wish someone like Henry would make a small frame rifle in a small cartridge like .32 S&W Long.  Cheap to shoot, low recoil, and reloadable.  At 2 grains of Bullseye per round, it's about as cheap as you can sneak by powder wise.  With home-cast bullets, I can shoot these for about 4.5 cents a round.
Title: Re: Making .22 Ammo
Post by: gdawgs56 on May 25, 2014, 02:48:53 PM
my local walmart still sells 550rd bricks for $21, it's all gone within 10 minutes of the shipment. First 5 people get it all :(


-Jason
Title: Re: Making .22 Ammo
Post by: 1SOW on May 25, 2014, 04:03:07 PM
Local .22 steel shooters are still lining up outside Academy before opening to get their ,22 ammo.

I'd sure like to see the CCI "Mini-Mag" and "Target" in the plastic boxes of 100 reappear locally ::)
Title: Re: Making .22 Ammo
Post by: IDescribe on May 25, 2014, 04:42:51 PM
I've ben shooting Aguila, and I've been very happy with it.
Title: Re: Making .22 Ammo
Post by: Smitty79 on May 26, 2014, 05:55:16 PM
Even with a Volquartsen firing pin, my 22/45 doesn't like Aquila.   About one fail to fire per magazine.
Title: Re: Making .22 Ammo
Post by: IDescribe on May 27, 2014, 04:49:52 AM
Another point worth noting with the 4 million/day mentioned for that CCI plant -- it says 4 million rimfire, not 4 million .22LR.  They're not producing 4 million .22LR per day.  ;)
Title: Re: Making .22 Ammo
Post by: lilmule on June 13, 2014, 10:18:51 PM
Very few other rfmade,.17 25wmf now that is expensive,your fooish to pay high prices for 22 lr ,bricks,value packs are cheaper than what some are paying for a box of 50.While the local walmart has a limit  of 2 boxes per they have wife and kids each get 2,and often are wal mart enployees,thus know when they go on shelf.I buy volume packs cci blazer while it will never be accused of being a hot round it functions fine in a revolver and my mossberg m15,still have about 1400 rds left gave 20 bucks + tax for it several months ago-just a low powered lead head-there is no shortage of 22 other than what are man made after the mfg.Bought 2 100 rders winchester and remington 5 for one 6 for the other both hp.Supply and demand,demand is havy due to panic buyers-I buy at local gunshops and specials only when they buy in bulk,other wise something I dont need and can gather dust on some scalpers shelf.40-50 a box those that buy have more money than sense.
Title: Re: Making .22 Ammo
Post by: eastman on July 16, 2014, 12:35:34 AM
Well worth watching. 

4,000,000 cartridges a day from one plant ?!?!  Someone/something has to be interfering with distribution or there is hoarding on an unprecedented scale (or both).

But that is only enough to send 2 bricks to each US WalMart Supercenter per day.
Title: Re: Making .22 Ammo
Post by: gdawgs56 on July 16, 2014, 12:38:38 AM

Well worth watching. 

4,000,000 cartridges a day from one plant ?!?!  Someone/something has to be interfering with distribution or there is hoarding on an unprecedented scale (or both).

But that is only enough to send 2 bricks to each US WalMart Supercenter per day.

But, shipments once a week, should be 14 bricks per week. Definitely not seeing that many around here.


-Jason
Title: Re: Making .22 Ammo
Post by: M1A4ME on July 16, 2014, 06:03:36 AM
I saw a guy at the Hampton, VA gunshow this weekend trying to sell his .22 ammo for $65 to $75 per brick.  I just chuckled, pointed to it so my son/nephew would look and said, "That's ridiculous" and kept walking.  I don't know/care if he heard me.
Title: Re: Making .22 Ammo
Post by: eastman on July 19, 2014, 01:47:04 PM

Well worth watching. 

4,000,000 cartridges a day from one plant ?!?!  Someone/something has to be interfering with distribution or there is hoarding on an unprecedented scale (or both).

But that is only enough to send 2 bricks to each US WalMart Supercenter per day.

But, shipments once a week, should be 14 bricks per week. Definitely not seeing that many around here.


-Jason

That is only enough production to send 2 bricks per day per US WalMart SuperCenter per day. (about 3300 US locations are SuperCenters)

That doesn't include any for non-SuperCenter WalMarts in the US, Cabela's, Bass Pro, Gander and every other gun/outdoor store in the US and CCI customers in the rest of the world.
Title: Re: Making .22 Ammo
Post by: gdawgs56 on July 19, 2014, 01:49:39 PM

That doesn't include any for non-SuperCenter WalMarts in the US, Cabela's, Bass Pro, Gander and every other gun/outdoor store in the US and CCI customers in the rest of the world.

You are very right, I didn't think of that. Completely spaced it


-Jason
Title: Re: Making .22 Ammo
Post by: jameslovesjammie on July 20, 2014, 05:26:22 PM
Another thing to keep in mind is that the U.S. isn't the only country buying ammunition.  Don't forget that our Brother to the North also gets a majority of their .22 ammunition imported from here.  I don't know how much gets exported to other countries, but I'm sure the major manufacturers also have large contracts outside of the U.S. as well.
Title: Re: Making .22 Ammo
Post by: 1SOW on September 23, 2014, 11:14:36 PM
To the supplies available  "COMMERCIALLY-Not Contracted",  add:  Remington, Federal, Winchester,  Plus many more from here and abroad.
Annual US production is estimated at 2–2.5 billion rounds,  before the increases in production hours .  Adding in imports and production increases would have to make this number much larger.   That's a lot of plinking going on.  Or a lot of new shelving being sold.

Title: Re: Making .22 Ammo
Post by: Bert2368 on November 11, 2014, 10:40:23 PM
I just wish someone like Henry would make a small frame rifle in a small cartridge like .32 S&W Long.  Cheap to shoot, low recoil, and reloadable.  At 2 grains of Bullseye per round, it's about as cheap as you can sneak by powder wise.  With home-cast bullets, I can shoot these for about 4.5 cents a round.

Here you are on CZ firearms website, wishing for HENRY to make such a thing?!

Been casting, reloading and shooting my CZ527 in .22 Hornet for the last 6 years of ammo shortage/price gouging. I seldom shoot the several .22LR rifles I own, even though I DO have adequate ammunition put by for them. The Hornet does everything a .22LR or .22mag could, and MORE.

With a swage tool set, whatever .22LR one does shoot can provide spent cases as raw materials for bullet jackets to be used in .22 centerfire cartridges...
Title: Re: Making .22 Ammo
Post by: gmlogmd7 on December 15, 2014, 12:27:32 PM
Do you guys think it will ever stabilize? Maybe a year or two after the next presidential elections?
Title: Re: Making .22 Ammo
Post by: NavyVet1959 on December 27, 2014, 01:56:24 PM
The last .22LR ammo I bought was 500-round bricks of Remington Thunderbolt and it was around $7-8 per brick.  It was easy to go through a brick at a day at the range.  I still have 2 bricks, but I don't shoot the .22s that much anymore since I am not willing to replace that ammo with the current prices they are charging for .22s.  As such, I got into reloading and for pretty much any handgun caliber, I can reload it for around $2.50-3.50 per 50-round box as long as I can recover my brass.  The two variable costs for reloading are the powder and the bullet.  Of these, the biggest cost is the lead, so lighter bullets make for cheaper ammo.  I usually figure on $1-1.25 per pound for lead.  Wheelweights used to be the best source for a good lead alloy, but these days, you're lucky to get a 50% lead return from a 5g bucket of wheelweights thanks to all the eco-weenies and their push to move away from lead in wheelweights.  Lately, I've been finding mostly steel plus the occasional zinc one when I get a 5g bucket from a tire shop.

The round that I see as a potential replacement for the .22LR for me is the .22 TCM.  I already have a 0.224" 55gr mold and I suspect that I can work up a load with that would be a good plinking round with a cheap powder without having to go all out and load for full blown .22 TCM ballistics.  Of course, if you are shooting either a single shot or bolt action rifle or a revolver (handgun) your reloading options are quite a bit more flexible than if you are shooting a semi-auto.
Title: Re: Making .22 Ammo
Post by: Sidecar2 on July 06, 2018, 11:38:58 PM
7/6/18: video is gone. YouTube is not the friend of Free Americans.