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Title: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: rhart on April 30, 2017, 11:05:13 PM
What kind of accuracy are you all getting out of your Shadow2s?
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: rhart on April 30, 2017, 11:27:36 PM
My S2 came with a factory target that showed a dismal 79.3mm dispersion at 25 meters. The target from CZC showed a group a little over 1-inch, but I found out it was shot at ten-yards.
The best group I have been able to get shooting off a bag at 25-yards was 1.4" outside bullet hole to outside bullet hole last Friday. The second-best group, shot right after the 1.4" group was about 2-inches (also at 25-yards). I had been shooting 3 to 4 inch groups fairly consistently, except for a couple in the 2 3/4" range, just prior to these two groups. I was pretty surprised since I was shooting 147 gr RN (115 gr JHPs usually give me the best groupings in my CZs).

Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: TruckinThumper on May 01, 2017, 10:22:30 AM
I dont have an S2, but my new SP-01 will hit a 6" plate at 35 yards  ;D
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: rhart on May 01, 2017, 02:24:49 PM
I dont have an S2, but my new SP-01 will hit a 6" plate at 35 yards  ;D

I'd say that's good enough for government work.  ;)
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: rhart on May 02, 2017, 07:58:11 AM
I attempted to replicate or improve my groups using 115 gr JHP ammo from Freedom Munitions (new ammo) on Sunday, but was unsuccessful. I did get tighter groups overall on average, but I couldn't get close to the single 1.4" group from before. Most of my better groups were under three-inches. I got a couple groups with four of five shots very close together, but always had a single round flyer that screwed things up. I know it is the shooter and not the gun. 
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: Joe L on May 02, 2017, 08:33:50 AM
Rhart--give it another try.  I've had days when I couldn't shoot under 2" at 50 yards from a rest with any gun I have.  It was me.  Go back to the range rested, with minimal medications, and in a good mood.  That seems to help me get back on track.  And forget the last "bad" range session.  Start over, remain objective and confident. 

Joe
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: olfarhors on May 02, 2017, 11:35:53 AM
Haven't had a chance to take my Shadow 2 to the range yet, hopefully this week.
I hope that I get at least the same  accuracy from it that I do from my EAA Elite Match which prints  about 5 shot half inch groups at 7 yards standing unsupported.
4 inch groups  30 rounds at 10 yards and about the same 4 inch groups 30 rounds at 15 yards.
My eyesight and shaky arms are getting to old to do much better than that.
my regular SP-01 Tactical will print about 6-7 inch 10 shot groups from a  rest at 25 yards usually.
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: rhart on May 02, 2017, 12:17:17 PM
Rhart--give it another try.  I've had days when I couldn't shoot under 2" at 50 yards from a rest with any gun I have.  It was me.  Go back to the range rested, with minimal medications, and in a good mood.  That seems to help me get back on track.  And forget the last "bad" range session.  Start over, remain objective and confident. 

Joe

Good advice Joe. I've  never tried shooting groups at 50 yards - maybe some day.
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: rhart on May 02, 2017, 12:23:23 PM
Haven't had a chance to take my Shadow 2 to the range yet, hopefully this week.
I hope that I get at least the same  accuracy from it that I do from my EAA Elite Match which prints  about 5 shot half inch groups at 7 yards standing unsupported.
4 inch groups  30 rounds at 10 yards and about the same 4 inch groups 30 rounds at 15 yards.
My eyesight and shaky arms are getting to old to do much better than that.
my regular SP-01 Tactical will print about 6-7 inch 10 shot groups from a  rest at 25 yards usually.

I feel your pain, I have tremors and can't really shoot groups standing unsupported - I have to pull the gun up and take the shot quickly before the shaking takes over too much. My 65-year old eyes have to be just right in order to shoot halfway decent even from a rest and they are rarely 'just right.'
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: CZ Aficionado on May 06, 2017, 11:46:37 PM
I had a chance to pick up a Shadow 2, after looking it over I wasn't sold on them.....one issue I had was that the barrel bushing was just stock, the barrel actually rattled a bit, versus my SP01 with the CGW 10X that had a tight tolerance......the S2 was a knockout in the looks dept but functionally it was a little under-whelming.  ???
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: Scarlett Pistol on May 07, 2017, 01:39:39 AM
Sounds like it needs the Cajun bushing Rhart!
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: rhart on May 07, 2017, 01:43:18 AM
I had a chance to pick up a Shadow 2, after looking it over I wasn't sold on them.....one issue I had was that the barrel bushing was just stock, the barrel actually rattled a bit, versus my SP01 with the CGW 10X that had a tight tolerance......the S2 was a knockout in the looks dept but functionally it was a little under-whelming.  ???

I've heard others say that the lockup on their S2 didn't seem that tight. I'll bet the CGW bushing would fix it up.
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: olfarhors on May 07, 2017, 01:09:03 PM
Finally got the Shadow 2 out to the range. in the first 50 rounds it shot a 1.150 5 shot unsupported standing group at 7 yards.
had several 5 shot groups of right at 1 inch to 1.5 inch.
 ran 150 rounds through it at a Human size Sil. from 7 yards to 25 yards standing and got a decent grouping for me of about 8 inches total for the 150 rounds fired.
likely get a  bit better as I get use to the weapon and it gets broken in just a tad.
Title: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: spiritfox on May 07, 2017, 10:27:56 PM
So something from an average (optimistic?) shooter.  Shot Steel Challenge Saturday with my Shadow 2. Been shooting since December with less than spectacular results.  Was wondering if I was ever going to feel good about my performance.  Took over 3 minutes off my total time, so for me the Shadow is a great confidence builder.
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: 1SOW on May 07, 2017, 11:16:31 PM
3 MINUTES? :o
Outstanding!   I sure liked the "grip feel" with the one I had a chance to fondle. Absolutely the best grip I've experienced with almost all the full size steel CZs.  With the weight and balance I felt,  it shouldn't have much bbl movement with minor power factor loads.
Sounds like you feel the same. :) 
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: Joe L on May 08, 2017, 06:29:16 AM
Typical results.   :) :) :)

(but still excellent!!)
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: andrew1220 on May 08, 2017, 07:47:58 AM
So something from an average (optimistic?) shooter.  Shot Steel Challenge Saturday with my Shadow 2. Been shooting since December with less than spectacular results.  Was wondering if I was ever going to feel good about my performance.  Took over 3 minutes off my total time, so for me the Shadow is a great confidence builder.

Dumb question, but I'm assuming you start in DA (lower the hammer)? Wasn't sure if you started in SA with the safety engaged?...

Been thinking about trying mine for steel challenge. Ran my DW PM9 at a SC match yesterday.
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: andrew1220 on May 08, 2017, 07:49:07 AM
Went to range this afternoon with my Shadow2 + fully adjustable rear sight. Very consistent and fun to shoot.

5 shot group @ 15 yards unsupported free-standing
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb153/lowturboboost/For%20Sale/FullSizeRender.jpg_zpsjrppjadi.jpeg)

Is that the fully adjustable sight from CZ Custom? I keep going back and forth trying to decide if I really need the fully adjustable sight now that I've drifted the rear sight and windage is dead on....
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: TexanFX2 on May 08, 2017, 09:37:17 AM
Yes, I have the new fully adjustable rear from CZCustom. It may be worth noting that when I adjusted the sight the first time I shot the S2 about two weeks ago, I had LOK bogies palm swells installed because they feel awesome and I can wrap my hands perfectly.

This time, I had the original grips installed since my friend wanted to see them and I forgot my LOKs at home. I don't like how the gun with these feel in my hands. Grip feels too "thin / slim" to me. You can see that I was pulling to the left. I put on gloves and I immediately started shooting dead center, but at that point I no longer had a clean/new target I could take a photo to show the difference.

I got home and first thing I did was replace the grips back to my LOKs. :D
Anyways, if there were any doubts about the Shadow2 accuracy, I think this shows it is pretty good.
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: andrew1220 on May 08, 2017, 10:06:51 AM
Yes, I have the new fully adjustable rear from CZCustom. It may be worth noting that when I adjusted the sight the first time I shot the S2 about two weeks ago, I had LOK bogies palm swells installed because they feel awesome and I can wrap my hands perfectly.

This time, I had the original grips installed since my friend wanted to see them and I forgot my LOKs at home. I don't like how the gun with these feel in my hands. Grip feels too "thin / slim" to me. You can see that I was pulling to the left. I put on gloves and I immediately started shooting dead center, but at that point I no longer had a clean/new target I could take a photo to show the difference.

I got home and first thing I did was replace the grips back to my LOKs. :D
Anyways, if there were any doubts about the Shadow2 accuracy, I think this shows it is pretty good.

I also found the grips too thin for my hands. Got a pair of the LOK checkered palm swells which are much better.
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: spiritfox on May 08, 2017, 11:52:14 AM
So something from an average (optimistic?) shooter.  Shot Steel Challenge Saturday with my Shadow 2. Been shooting since December with less than spectacular results.  Was wondering if I was ever going to feel good about my performance.  Took over 3 minutes off my total time, so for me the Shadow is a great confidence builder.

Dumb question, but I'm assuming you start in DA (lower the hammer)? Wasn't sure if you started in SA with the safety engaged?...

Been thinking about trying mine for steel challenge. Ran my DW PM9 at a SC match yesterday.

Certainly not a dumb question--maybe a dumb answer from me but I actually do start with hammer back and safety engaged.  For my first match in December I used a Sig Legion 226 and decided to avoid the first pull DA--so tried a striker a couple of times.  Was even thinking of using a 1911 in 9mm--but decided to use my Shadow 2 Saturday and really enjoyed shooting with it.  And seemed to be a big confidence builder for me.  Only shooting at Level 1 so I don't really care what division I'm in so Limited suits me just fine. 
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: andrew1220 on May 08, 2017, 12:12:42 PM
So something from an average (optimistic?) shooter.  Shot Steel Challenge Saturday with my Shadow 2. Been shooting since December with less than spectacular results.  Was wondering if I was ever going to feel good about my performance.  Took over 3 minutes off my total time, so for me the Shadow is a great confidence builder.

Dumb question, but I'm assuming you start in DA (lower the hammer)? Wasn't sure if you started in SA with the safety engaged?...

Been thinking about trying mine for steel challenge. Ran my DW PM9 at a SC match yesterday.

Certainly not a dumb question--maybe a dumb answer from me but I actually do start with hammer back and safety engaged.  For my first match in December I used a Sig Legion 226 and decided to avoid the first pull DA--so tried a striker a couple of times.  Was even thinking of using a 1911 in 9mm--but decided to use my Shadow 2 Saturday and really enjoyed shooting with it.  And seemed to be a big confidence builder for me.  Only shooting at Level 1 so I don't really care what division I'm in so Limited suits me just fine.

Nice! You using the slimmer safety or did you install the wide safety?
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: spiritfox on May 08, 2017, 12:20:18 PM
So something from an average (optimistic?) shooter.  Shot Steel Challenge Saturday with my Shadow 2. Been shooting since December with less than spectacular results.  Was wondering if I was ever going to feel good about my performance.  Took over 3 minutes off my total time, so for me the Shadow is a great confidence builder.

Dumb question, but I'm assuming you start in DA (lower the hammer)? Wasn't sure if you started in SA with the safety engaged?...

Been thinking about trying mine for steel challenge. Ran my DW PM9 at a SC match yesterday.

Certainly not a dumb question--maybe a dumb answer from me but I actually do start with hammer back and safety engaged.  For my first match in December I used a Sig Legion 226 and decided to avoid the first pull DA--so tried a striker a couple of times.  Was even thinking of using a 1911 in 9mm--but decided to use my Shadow 2 Saturday and really enjoyed shooting with it.  And seemed to be a big confidence builder for me.  Only shooting at Level 1 so I don't really care what division I'm in so Limited suits me just fine.

Nice! You using the slimmer safety or did you install the wide safety?

I was thinking of changing it but decided to try the slimmer one installed.  I found it to be just fine and didn't have any issues disengaging the safety.  So I'll probably just leave it as is.  Still have to work on my accuracy at distance but this was by far my best match--didn't have Outer Limits in this match (7 stages) but The Pendulum was not pretty for me.
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: rhart on May 08, 2017, 06:15:40 PM
Went to range this afternoon with my Shadow2 + fully adjustable rear sight. Very consistent and fun to shoot.

5 shot group @ 15 yards unsupported free-standing
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb153/lowturboboost/For%20Sale/FullSizeRender.jpg_zpsjrppjadi.jpeg)

Nice group!
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: rhart on May 08, 2017, 06:18:06 PM
So something from an average (optimistic?) shooter.  Shot Steel Challenge Saturday with my Shadow 2. Been shooting since December with less than spectacular results.  Was wondering if I was ever going to feel good about my performance.  Took over 3 minutes off my total time, so for me the Shadow is a great confidence builder.

What holster are you using?
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: rhart on May 08, 2017, 06:24:24 PM
A lot of people seem to be liking the LOK grips - I may need to try them out.
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: TexanFX2 on May 08, 2017, 10:18:06 PM
They are great! I like them so much I have them installed in all of my CZs!  O0
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: SlvrDragon50 on May 08, 2017, 11:12:02 PM
I seriously don't understand how you get those groups! I can't even get those groups at 7 yards.


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Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: Joe L on May 09, 2017, 06:14:20 AM
I seriously don't understand how you get those groups!

It's easy. Steady hold and no movement of the gun due to pulling the trigger.  I have learned to do it 70% of the time.  It's the remaining 30% that I'm still working on.   :) :)

Here is the statistical aberration shooting my worn out and filthy Kadet, 25 yards, standing, single hand that I go back and look at every time I conclude it has to be impossible to put 10 shots in the 10 ring (much less the x) every day, regardless of politics, world news, back pain, bad ammo, dirty guns, poor attitude, lack of focus, wrong shoes, and bad weather. 

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Firearms/Pistol-Range-8-21-16-Ruidoso/i-xtQnLpK/0/dce22ffe/M/IMG_0652-M.jpg)

Joe
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: CZ Aficionado on May 09, 2017, 06:59:13 AM
I seriously don't understand how you get those groups! I can't even get those groups at 7 yards.
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Not to say the shooter isn't a big part of the equation...but, having worked on a lot of guns over the years sometimes there is that magical mix of "everything" just blending so well, Those are just special. Someone once asked how to get their guns to function/feel the same....close is achievable, identical...not so much, always a lot of variables (shooter included  ;)  )...but when all the stars align it's pretty cool, those are the guns people should always keep  :)
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: spiritfox on May 09, 2017, 07:26:07 AM
So something from an average (optimistic?) shooter.  Shot Steel Challenge Saturday with my Shadow 2. Been shooting since December with less than spectacular results.  Was wondering if I was ever going to feel good about my performance.  Took over 3 minutes off my total time, so for me the Shadow is a great confidence builder.

What holster are you using?
I have a few holsters for my Shadow 2.  Mostly because I initially had trouble finding one.  So now I have 3.  BladeTech (which I used for Steel Challenge) Red Hill Tactical and Double Alpha Academy IDPA PDR-Pro II. 
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: rhart on May 09, 2017, 10:38:36 AM
I seriously don't understand how you get those groups!

It's easy. Steady hold and no movement of the gun due to pulling the trigger.  I have learned to do it 70% of the time.  It's the remaining 30% that I'm still working on.   :) :)

Here is the statistical aberration shooting my worn out and filthy Kadet, 25 yards, standing, single hand that I go back and look at every time I conclude it has to be impossible to put 10 shots in the 10 ring (much less the x) every day, regardless of politics, world news, back pain, bad ammo, dirty guns, poor attitude, lack of focus, wrong shoes, and bad weather. 

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Firearms/Pistol-Range-8-21-16-Ruidoso/i-xtQnLpK/0/dce22ffe/M/IMG_0652-M.jpg)

Joe

Wow, that's an excellent idea. A reality check by referencing what's possible based on previous results one has obtained. I'm going to try that.
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: rhart on May 09, 2017, 10:40:09 AM
So something from an average (optimistic?) shooter.  Shot Steel Challenge Saturday with my Shadow 2. Been shooting since December with less than spectacular results.  Was wondering if I was ever going to feel good about my performance.  Took over 3 minutes off my total time, so for me the Shadow is a great confidence builder.

What holster are you using?
I have a few holsters for my Shadow 2.  Mostly because I initially had trouble finding one.  So now I have 3.  BladeTech (which I used for Steel Challenge) Red Hill Tactical and Double Alpha Academy IDPA PDR-Pro II.

Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: SlvrDragon50 on May 09, 2017, 12:15:00 PM
I definitely do much better with the Kadet, but I guess my hands just aren't super steady :( I know that my accuracy seems to be better with certain target types. Whenever I try to shoot blacked out targets I tend to have big groups.
Title: Re: Shadow2 Accuracy
Post by: rhart on May 09, 2017, 12:33:27 PM
I definitely do much better with the Kadet, but I guess my hands just aren't super steady :( I know that my accuracy seems to be better with certain target types. Whenever I try to shoot blacked out targets I tend to have big groups.

I've noticed that I shoot certain color targets better than others as well. I have also noticed that the bigger the target, the bigger the groups. I guess there is something to that phrase "aim small, miss small" after all. Of course the targets have to be of a size my eyes can see fairly well at the distance I'm shooting.