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Title: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: williamc on May 06, 2017, 10:48:51 AM
So now that I've owned both, I thought I'd share my thoughts. 

Setup and Features

(http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww205/weconway/Guns/CAE00B93-C3D8-4E20-A939-3D220CDF7690_zps1tskfhzs.jpg) (http://s720.photobucket.com/user/weconway/media/Guns/CAE00B93-C3D8-4E20-A939-3D220CDF7690_zps1tskfhzs.jpg.html)

The EVO brace is ready to go right out of the box.  Feature wise, it's pretty basic.  I wish it would have  had some QD sling points, but it looks like Midwest Industries is coming out with an adapter to do that.

(http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww205/weconway/Guns/18CB071A-3033-4123-98E3-A60F6A2E710C_zpsg3ehg89z.jpg) (http://s720.photobucket.com/user/weconway/media/Guns/18CB071A-3033-4123-98E3-A60F6A2E710C_zpsg3ehg89z.jpg.html)

My Tailhook is set up on a CZ factory cheek rest and a home made 3D printed adapter.  I have the adapter set up to give me a 13 1/4" length of pull, which places the brace just ahead of elbow and positions the cheek rest ideally for me when shouldering.  I also have a CZ AR pistol tube adapter, but I was able to get my 3D printed adapter working and didn't use it.

(http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww205/weconway/Guns/F090D059-63C7-480E-93A2-875AC20A87A1_zpsjqm1uc1t.jpg) (http://s720.photobucket.com/user/weconway/media/Guns/F090D059-63C7-480E-93A2-875AC20A87A1_zpsjqm1uc1t.jpg.html)

It has a QD point nicely integrated, which is good. 

Note that every adapter design I've seen so far uses the factory roll pin to secure in place on the cheek rest, preventing a quick change to the stock component and adding stability.  I don't know where the ATF will end up long term, but I would bet that unless they reverse themselves again this setup will be good to go.  But I'm no lawyer...

Build Quality
The SBT EVO brace is very well built.  Molding is excellent and the folding mechanism locks up like a bank vault.

The Tailhook is similarly very well machined.  Mine had very few tooling marks, and the finish is even and durable.  The factory CZ donor stock needed some work to get the hinge mechanism to deploy smoothly.  I had to take out the release button and cake the area with gun grease like my EVO brace did from the factory.

(http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww205/weconway/Guns/36C5E13C-2252-4066-BB02-79EF3B1578D3_zpsrkrgdlcc.jpg) (http://s720.photobucket.com/user/weconway/media/Guns/36C5E13C-2252-4066-BB02-79EF3B1578D3_zpsrkrgdlcc.jpg.html)

Brace Functionality
The SBT brace concept was designed for disabled shooters, and it shows.  When properly secured it's very stable shooting one handed.  The problem is that it is very awkward and slow to get into position. 

The Tailhook far better for quick deployment and getting into position.  You can flick the support down in a second and get right to shooting.  It also allows more flexibility for shooting from awkward positions. Personally, I like this much better as I have the arm strength and dexterity to not need the extra support.  Frankly,  the Tailhook is so simple and straightforward it's brilliant.

Shoulderability
The SBT EVO is very easily shouldered, and it had an identical 13 1/4" length of pull. I found that the sharp corners of the end of the brace portion dug into my shoulder during shooting.  Not enough to be painful, but not like an actual stock, either.  When shouldered, the brace is very stable and I didn't feel any play in the setup.  The brace straps tended to scratch my cheek and snag on my shoulder a bit which was more of a mild annoyance than a real problem.  I left them in place at all times to prevent redesigning the brace.

The Tailhook is even better, using the ergonomics of the factory cheek rest and providing a larger surface area and softer edges to the shoulder.  It's stout and robust.  I also like that it's very low profile and doesn't seem to get in the way when shouldered like the tail end of the EVO brace did.  I'd say the  combination of the CZ cheek rest  and the Tailhook is much more shoulderable than the SBT EVO, although neither compares to the full CZ factory stock.

I did notice a bit of flex and play in the Tailhook set up as compared to the SBT brace, but I think that's due more to my adapter then due to the Tailhook.   All in all it's better than your average AR15 collapsible stock, but not as solid as the 1 piece EVO brace.  The adapter shown is an early prototype. I'm going to print the final version this week and I'll see if that improves things.

Aesthetics
This is a matter of personal preference.  I think both are handsome solutions, but I think the CZ cheek rest/Tailhook looks the best and most integrated, as would be expected.

Cost
This is obviously a wild card, but I would expect one day the EVO brace will fall between $175-$225 on the street, with GHW quoting in the mid $200s for the Tailhook setup from their shop.  The advantage of the Tailhook for me is that I now have the full CZ stock (I've shipped the actual stock portion away to avoid running afoul of the rules) so when I form 1 the gun I'll have already made that investment.

Still, unless the Tailhook comes down in price it'll be the more expensive solution. I think it's worth it. When we finally get factory adapters, I think it'll be even better.

Overall
Overall, my pick is the Tailhook.  It's a better brace for my needs, it's more shoulderable and it looks better on my setup.  I like that  it has a QD mount and I like the ergonomics of the CZ factory cheek rest.  I think GHW  has  really hit on something here and I  think this concept is the future of braces for the general population.  Hopefully they can get factory adapters ready soon and start offering a turnkey solution.

The SBT EVO, if you can find one, is the plug-and-play solution.  It just works.  If they can make them in quantity it'll continue to sell well.

Final Thoughts
To be clear, I haven't shot the  Scorpion with the Tailhook installed but I think it's going to work really well under live fire.

My original intent with my Scorpion was to SBR it and use the factory stock.  While that's still on the table my enthusiasm for the process is pretty low now that I have an excellent brace setup on my gun.  I'm going to hold off converting my pistol into an SBR to see how wait times pan out and how the legalities of the ATF's decision on shouldering braced pistols comes to reality.  This solution is so good and so versatile, I don't think there's a rush.
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: Natetron on May 06, 2017, 12:36:36 PM
How much you want for the SBT
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: brett_nelson on May 06, 2017, 01:08:20 PM
Question. What components make up this setup?
Obviously the tailhook but what else?


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Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: Jjason on May 06, 2017, 02:35:22 PM
Question. What components make up this setup?
Obviously the tailhook but what else?


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Original stock from CZ and you need an adapter that sits between the "stock" and tailhook.  Most people are 3d printing them for now as no one is producing them commercially yet.
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: williamc on May 06, 2017, 02:48:25 PM
How much you want for the SBT
Sorry, long gone.  Sold it for a boatload on Gunbroker.

William
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: Natetron on May 06, 2017, 03:30:36 PM
Ahh misunderstood that.   Maybe I should do the tail hook thing.  Wonder how the ATF feels about using the stock for it.  Specialy since you could pull out the adapter and put the original sock parts back on.
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: williamc on May 07, 2017, 09:08:49 AM
Updated my original post with more detail.

William
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: armoredman on May 08, 2017, 07:07:59 PM
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/Tailhook%201_zpszk6sooc9.jpg) (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/armoredman/media/Tailhook%201_zpszk6sooc9.jpg.html)

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/Tailhook%202_zpsgiazgg0q.jpg) (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/armoredman/media/Tailhook%202_zpsgiazgg0q.jpg.html)

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/Tailhook%203_zpsceo5chwq.jpg) (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/armoredman/media/Tailhook%203_zpsceo5chwq.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: SouthernScorp on May 09, 2017, 02:09:03 AM
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/Tailhook%201_zpszk6sooc9.jpg) (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/armoredman/media/Tailhook%201_zpszk6sooc9.jpg.html)

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/Tailhook%202_zpsgiazgg0q.jpg) (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/armoredman/media/Tailhook%202_zpsgiazgg0q.jpg.html)

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/Tailhook%203_zpsceo5chwq.jpg) (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/armoredman/media/Tailhook%203_zpsceo5chwq.jpg.html)


Looks like sombody is stepping up their game  ::)
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: Jlui83 on May 09, 2017, 10:13:44 AM
Where did you get your tailhook? Also did it come with the factory stock or did you buy that separately.?
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: williamc on May 09, 2017, 10:27:39 AM
Where did you get your tailhook? Also did it come with the factory stock or did you buy that separately.?

I preordered my Tailhook from GHW and ordered the CZ stock separately on Gunbroker.

I've been working on the adapter at home.

William
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: Jlui83 on May 09, 2017, 10:28:33 AM
Oh you have to get an adapter too?! Ugh..... lol
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: williamc on May 09, 2017, 12:35:29 PM
Yeah, as I said the Tailhook/CZ combo isn't a plug and play solution yet.  You can get a Tailhook and the CZ AR pistol tube adapter kit (like ArmoredMan) and have a very workable solution in the short term.

William
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: armoredman on May 09, 2017, 06:21:56 PM
Yes, yes it is. :) Now all I need is a side folding unit that will fit that KAK tube and I'm in business.
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: SouthernScorp on May 09, 2017, 10:18:23 PM
Yes, yes it is. :) Now all I need is a side folding unit that will fit that KAK tube and I'm in business.
the hera sfu or any other ar-15 style folding mech should fit the KAK. Their tube is threaded to standard spec ar-15 commercial/mil threading. it's only difference is that being a pistol tube the non threaded diameter portion is larger so you can't put a stock on it
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: Natetron on May 09, 2017, 11:42:23 PM
I am guess the Adapter is for the factory stock.  Has anyone done one with a magpul zhukov stock  or is that not possible. 

I have been trying to get a SBT EVO, but also wouldn't mind doing this, if I knew that having the stock with the tailhook was ATF approved.   

Are you legally able to order and have a stock in possession without a stamp.  Could they say you have intent on using the stock?
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: williamc on May 09, 2017, 11:51:42 PM
The adapter is for the factory stock. I just made sure that my CZ and the stock were never in the same location at the same time until I could get them separated. Not sure how much the ATF cares about such things, but it is better to be safe than sorry.

I don't think you could put a Tailhook on a Zhukov stock without some major surgery.

The Tailhook's ATF letter references the previous brace ruling recently clarified by the ATF. While the newest clarification letter doesn't mention GHW by name, it is much more likely that it falls under the same rules as the SB Tactical.  This whole situation is such a mess, you have to decide if that's good enough for you.

Having had the Tailhook for the better part of a week, I think it's pulling away from the SBT Evo as my preferrred solution.  Pretty happy with how it works.  I shortened the LOP on my adapter to 12.25", and I found that the brace functionality was improved significantly.  I also like how it tucks in when shouldered. This is really a phenomenal solution.  At this point I don't think there's much advantage to the functionality of an SBR over the versatility of keeping it a braced pistol.

(http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww205/weconway/Guns/EE2C2911-D20B-4137-81EB-E11850894E19_zpsndtbjqtu.jpg)

William

Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: Natetron on May 10, 2017, 12:13:42 AM
Well I just found a place that is selling the TailHook, just hope it doesn't take forever to get one. Now I need to find a stock to order. Is there one that is made in the USA?  Also the file you posted in the one thread, is that the latest update for it?  I will either talk to Protolab or possibly have my sister inlaws brother print one for me. 

Yea I like having this in pistol form if can be shouldered, but I am waiting for a stamp.  Partly why I would rather spend the money on a stock instead of something that can't be used after I get stamp.   But on the other hand even if you had something like a SBT EVO it wouldn't be hard to resell.
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: williamc on May 10, 2017, 12:24:29 AM
Well I just found a place that is selling the TailHook, just hope it doesn't take forever to get one. Now I need to find a stock to order. Is there one that is made in the USA?  Also the file you posted in the one thread, is that the latest update for it?  I will either talk to Protolab or possibly have my sister inlaws brother print one for me.

The stock doesn't have to be 922r compliant if it is a pistol. Even if it did, the Tailhook replaces the part that is officially the "stock" and is made in the USA.

The file on the other thread doesn't belong to me.

That was my thought too. If I did want to SBR my CZ, I'll already have the right components for when the stamp is approved.

Thanks!

William
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: Natetron on May 10, 2017, 12:26:19 AM
I am waiting for a stamp, so it will become a SBR eventually.  Oh okay, I for some reason was thinking it was.
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: Natetron on May 10, 2017, 01:36:36 AM
Ordered!!! This damn thing is costing me way to much money in the last week.
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: Jlui83 on May 10, 2017, 07:06:20 AM
Where did you order from?
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: Natetron on May 10, 2017, 11:27:35 PM
Sorry guys was at work today so never got this posted. I wanted to make sure they were legit before I posted it on here, and was able to talk to gear head works and they are a actual seller of them.  I called sandersarmory and they got a 100 in today. I am not sure what if any left now. https://sandersarmoryusa.com/
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: Jjason on May 10, 2017, 11:36:28 PM
I also ordered from Sanders, hoping they ship quick
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: Natetron on May 10, 2017, 11:48:49 PM
When I talked to them,it sounded like they would be shipping them by tomorrow, but obliviously if they are shipping out a 100, it might take them a little time to get to everyone.
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: lorazepam on May 11, 2017, 12:35:27 PM
They are listing in stock now. That won't last long.
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: Jjason on May 11, 2017, 05:38:24 PM
Looks like mine shipped out today.
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: Natetron on May 16, 2017, 12:03:24 AM
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y498/Pardusstuff/097d2fa2-a141-4fda-86c9-87dd3c07664f_zps1efqdqvp.jpg) (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/Pardusstuff/media/097d2fa2-a141-4fda-86c9-87dd3c07664f_zps1efqdqvp.jpg.html)
I got my Tailhook today. :)
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: ItsRainingLead on May 16, 2017, 01:52:02 PM
Have my tailhook. Have my stock. No adapter! Boooooo
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: williamc on May 16, 2017, 02:00:41 PM
Have my tailhook. Have my stock. No adapter! Boooooo

Soon...
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: ItsRainingLead on May 16, 2017, 03:15:31 PM
Have my tailhook. Have my stock. No adapter! Boooooo

Soon...

I know I know. I've already bought 2 new guns since you posted this because I'm wanting new goodies. An adapter would cost me less.  ;D
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: Jjason on May 16, 2017, 06:59:28 PM
Have my tailhook. Have my stock. No adapter! Boooooo

You can probably 3d print one for free at your local library.  A few people are working on different designs.  One of the vendors posted an estimated cost of $60-120 per adapter on FB.  I'll probably stick with the printed one for awhile.
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: 007_Bond on July 19, 2017, 09:48:45 PM
Hey guys. New member here and I know this thread is a couple months old but wanted to bump this topic.

I can't get the pictures to pull up on this thread but would like to see them. Maybe someone could message or email me?

Anyways - any updates for y'all on which you like better now after some more time with them?

I posted on another thread but it also seems fitting here. I wanted the Tailhook but without it having their own ATF letter or the ATF giving an open letter I don't feel safe for the occasional or accidental shouldering of the Tailhook. I get the theory behind the "it should apply to all braces now" but there's no documentation that actually supports that. And I'm not going off of YouTube'ers here. I've read all the letters and this is how it makes sense to me. No manufacturer is gonna help defend me in court I'm pretty sure.

Anyways, I wanted the Tailhook but felt my only safe option was the SBTEVO.
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: wyoung on July 19, 2017, 11:19:22 PM
A lot of the picture links have been disabled by the worthless Photobucket site.
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: 007_Bond on July 20, 2017, 12:03:09 AM
A lot of the picture links have been disabled by the worthless Photobucket site.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: SouthernScorp on July 20, 2017, 12:59:15 AM
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Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: williamc on July 21, 2017, 10:53:38 AM
Hey guys. New member here and I know this thread is a couple months old but wanted to bump this topic.

I can't get the pictures to pull up on this thread but would like to see them. Maybe someone could message or email me?

Anyways - any updates for y'all on which you like better now after some more time with them?

You can see all my pics here. (http://s720.photobucket.com/user/weconway/library/Guns?sort=3&page=1)  When Photobucket turned out the lights on 50% of the hosted pictures on the internet I quickly gave up on updating my posts everywhere.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4317/36025638616_cef87e6be7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WTsPfh)5A39574A-3A50-4E19-8A53-9A58E9244D7C_zpslf9u9fzf (https://flic.kr/p/WTsPfh) by William Conway (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99259221@N06/), on Flickr

Super super happy with my Tailhook/YetiWurks adapter/CZ cheek rest setup.  No regrets at all selling the SBT EVO.

William

Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: 007_Bond on July 21, 2017, 02:32:26 PM
Thank you.
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: 007_Bond on August 10, 2017, 06:58:56 PM
So I like the look of both the SBTEVO and the Tailhook Mod 1 , and even though I feel about evenly for both of them cosmetically which one does everyone like the look of better cosmetically?
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: excalibur on August 11, 2017, 10:01:24 AM
Had both been available, I would have taken the Tailhook. It's basically 90% the original stock, minus the end part that makes it a whole stock. It literally fits into the gun because it was meant to. The price isn't bad either. 
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: 007_Bond on August 13, 2017, 03:09:06 PM
Ok so I'm majorly back on the fence again concerning these two items. I feel like I really want the Tailhook option now for a couple reasons but mainly cuz I think I'd rather have the OEM CZ Custom Stock now. It just looks so good.

But right now I want the FDE version which isn't available and prolly won't be for awhile. So I'd have to buy the full normal stock, then the GHW adapter and Tailhook Mod 1. After all the taxes (CZ) and shipping I'll be at $350 at least for the Tailhook Mod 1 right now. Which is a TON! I might as well file a Form 1 and buy a stock. Just seems so expensive.

Ok so another option is to just be more patient and wait for GHW to get everything back in stock but that'll still run me $270 which is $100 more than you can get the SB Tactical SBTEVO brace for on sale if you find it at the right place at right time.

With that extra money I could upgrade Charging Handle and trigger & trigger job etc.

Only other sane option is to wait for the Tailhook craze to calm down and hopefully MAYBE prices will go down.

If we are going merely off of function - they both work just about the same. Not that huge of a difference for cheek rest or the occasional or accidental shouldering of the device.

What does everyone think? Any help would be greatly apppreciated. I'm wanting to make a decision in the next couple days hopefully.
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: 007_Bond on August 13, 2017, 09:48:17 PM
What does everyone think? Any help would be greatly apppreciated. I'm wanting to make a decision in the next couple days hopefully.

Get a SBT Evo for ~$150 off one of the register-to-see-prices websites.  Use that until the Tailhook you want is available.

The SBT Evo is very nice and will serve you well should you decide to just stick with it.  I'd use the funds for internal upgrades.

Thx!

Can you list some of those stores plz?
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: 007_Bond on August 14, 2017, 01:14:41 AM
Thx
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: williamc on August 15, 2017, 12:45:52 PM
Ok so I'm majorly back on the fence again concerning these two items. I feel like I really want the Tailhook option now for a couple reasons but mainly cuz I think I'd rather have the OEM CZ Custom Stock now. It just looks so good.

But right now I want the FDE version which isn't available and prolly won't be for awhile. So I'd have to buy the full normal stock, then the GHW adapter and Tailhook Mod 1. After all the taxes (CZ) and shipping I'll be at $350 at least for the Tailhook Mod 1 right now. Which is a TON! I might as well file a Form 1 and buy a stock. Just seems so expensive.

Ok so another option is to just be more patient and wait for GHW to get everything back in stock but that'll still run me $270 which is $100 more than you can get the SB Tactical SBTEVO brace for on sale if you find it at the right place at right time.

With that extra money I could upgrade Charging Handle and trigger & trigger job etc.

Only other sane option is to wait for the Tailhook craze to calm down and hopefully MAYBE prices will go down.

If we are going merely off of function - they both work just about the same. Not that huge of a difference for cheek rest or the occasional or accidental shouldering of the device.

What does everyone think? Any help would be greatly apppreciated. I'm wanting to make a decision in the next couple days hopefully.

The SBT brace is certainly a cheaper option.  No way around it.  In my opinion the tailhook looks much better and works better.  Is it worth the extra $$$?  To me it was, but I'm of the opinion that it's less expensive to get what I want than to buy what I don't want multiple times.  Of course, I sold my SBT brace at the peak of the craze and paid for most of my tailhook setup.

I'm sure I'll eventually SBR my Evo.  When that time comes I'll already have the parts, which had some value to me as well.

If cost is very important, get the SBT.  If not having that extra little awesomeness will drive you crazy (like it would for me), buy the tailhook.
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: Asmodeus on August 15, 2017, 01:13:21 PM
Ok so I'm majorly back on the fence again concerning these two items. I feel like I really want the Tailhook option now for a couple reasons but mainly cuz I think I'd rather have the OEM CZ Custom Stock now. It just looks so good.

But right now I want the FDE version which isn't available and prolly won't be for awhile. So I'd have to buy the full normal stock, then the GHW adapter and Tailhook Mod 1. After all the taxes (CZ) and shipping I'll be at $350 at least for the Tailhook Mod 1 right now. Which is a TON! I might as well file a Form 1 and buy a stock. Just seems so expensive.

Ok so another option is to just be more patient and wait for GHW to get everything back in stock but that'll still run me $270 which is $100 more than you can get the SB Tactical SBTEVO brace for on sale if you find it at the right place at right time.

With that extra money I could upgrade Charging Handle and trigger & trigger job etc.

Only other sane option is to wait for the Tailhook craze to calm down and hopefully MAYBE prices will go down.

If we are going merely off of function - they both work just about the same. Not that huge of a difference for cheek rest or the occasional or accidental shouldering of the device.

What does everyone think? Any help would be greatly apppreciated. I'm wanting to make a decision in the next couple days hopefully.

I waited for the tail hook.  From the second I got the Scorpion and GHW hinted at the option of the factory folder I was up their butt until I could get my hands on it.  (The KAK blades look like trash on the Scorpion, and IMO, the SBT isn't much better.)  The Scorpion is a good little gun, certainly worthy of an extra hundred or two, to have it exactly the way you want.  I was willing to piece it together if I had to.  It all gets even more expensive if you buy the SBT and end up buying the TH later anyway. 

Yeti dropped the kits before GHW sold theirs, and GHW were less $.  I bought it the second I got the email from Yeti.  Absolutely no regrets.  It was worth it to me for the gun to be as right as it can be. 
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: SouthernScorp on August 15, 2017, 04:34:17 PM

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I waited for the tail hook.  From the second I got the Scorpion and GHW hinted at the option of the factory folder I was up their butt until I could get my hands on it.  (The KAK blades look like trash on the Scorpion, and IMO, the SBT isn't much better.)  The Scorpion is a good little gun, certainly worthy of an extra hundred or two, to have it exactly the way you want.  I was willing to piece it together if I had to.  It all gets even more expensive if you buy the SBT and end up buying the TH later anyway. 

Yeti dropped the kits before GHW sold theirs, and GHW were less $.  I bought it the second I got the email from Yeti.  Absolutely no regrets.  It was worth it to me for the gun to be as right as it can be.
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that's okay, the yeti has a better looking adapter on it, the gearhead adapter looks like crap when extended
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: 007_Bond on September 02, 2017, 12:32:47 PM
For those who own the SB Tactical SBTEVO Brace...

Is there any play when you have it folded out / open / latched position between the brace and the adapter?

I've done research and I know you can lessen any play by tightening down the hinge screw but that also tightens the looseness when folding it.

Also - is it possible to have no play when the brace is folded out and still have it fold with no tension?
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: 007_Bond on September 07, 2017, 08:12:49 PM
FDE Tailhook inbound 
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: 007_Bond on September 09, 2017, 10:00:32 PM
Ok so I've seen pictures of the words "GEAR HEAD WORKS" engraved onto the side of Tailhook, mine doesn't have that.

Can anyone give further insight into this?
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: Thrillbilly on September 10, 2017, 09:59:44 AM
Ok so I've seen pictures of the words "GEAR HEAD WORKS" engraved onto the side of Tailhook, mine doesn't have that.

Can anyone give further insight into this?

That is how they are making them now. The embossed logo is not obtrusive and looks good IMO. (Mine has that)

I really wish Gearhead Works made the length of the adapter when fully extended about 4-5mm longer so that it will clear a set of coupled magazines. Right now its just so tantalizing shy of placing the tailhook far enough forward when the brace is folded to use coupled mags.  If they ever update the adapter, I'll buy another one. (i have a couple of them as a spare now.).
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: 007_Bond on September 10, 2017, 11:39:11 AM
Ok so I've seen pictures of the words "GEAR HEAD WORKS" engraved onto the side of Tailhook, mine doesn't have that.

Can anyone give further insight into this?

That is how they are making them now. The embossed logo is not obtrusive and looks good IMO. (Mine has that)

I really wish Gearhead Works made the length of the adapter when fully extended about 4-5mm longer so that it will clear a set of coupled magazines. Right now its just so tantalizing shy of placing the tailhook far enough forward when the brace is folded to use coupled mags.  If they ever update the adapter, I'll buy another one. (i have a couple of them as a spare now.).

Interesting - I just bought mine from Prepper Gun Shop. Maybe they have old stock?

Also why do you have "spare" adapters?
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: Thrillbilly on September 10, 2017, 12:45:53 PM
Ok so I've seen pictures of the words "GEAR HEAD WORKS" engraved onto the side of Tailhook, mine doesn't have that.

Can anyone give further insight into this?

That is how they are making them now. The embossed logo is not obtrusive and looks good IMO. (Mine has that)

I got mine from GHW, one part of a kit with the CZ folder piece.

I bought a spare of the adapter since I figure that part is potentially the weakest point in the brace that could experience the most stress in a drop or during rough handling, AND its a part that might be hardest to get a replacement for if something ever happens to GHW as a company down the road.  I figure the CZ folder part is a factory part that I could find from other sources, and the Tailhook itself is the the toughest part of the whole gun.

I often buy critical or hard to get spare parts for most of my arms. I'm the guy that has to have a minimum of 5 to 10 mags for every gun to feel safe.  Guess that comes from living through the Clinton AWB and often out in then boonies.


Interesting - I just bought mine from Prepper Gun Shop. Maybe they have old stock?

Also why do you have "spare" adapters?

I got mine from GHW, one part of a kit with the CZ folder piece.

I bought a spare of the adapter since I figure that part is potentially the weakest point in the brace that could experience the most stress in a drop or during rough handling, AND its a part that might be hardest to get a replacement for if something ever happens to GHW as a company down the road.  I figure the CZ folder part is a factory part that I could find from other sources, and the Tailhook itself is the the toughest part of the whole gun.

I often buy critical or hard to get spare parts for most of my arms. I'm the guy that has to have a minimum of 5 to 10 mags for every gun to feel safe.  Guess that comes from living through the Clinton AWB and often out in then boonies.

I really wish Gearhead Works made the length of the adapter when fully extended about 4-5mm longer so that it will clear a set of coupled magazines. Right now its just so tantalizing shy of placing the tailhook far enough forward when the brace is folded to use coupled mags.  If they ever update the adapter, I'll buy another one. (i have a couple of them as a spare now.).
Title: Re: Tailhook vs SBT Evo first impressions
Post by: 007_Bond on September 10, 2017, 01:01:41 PM
Ok so I've seen pictures of the words "GEAR HEAD WORKS" engraved onto the side of Tailhook, mine doesn't have that.

Can anyone give further insight into this?

That is how they are making them now. The embossed logo is not obtrusive and looks good IMO. (Mine has that)

I got mine from GHW, one part of a kit with the CZ folder piece.

I bought a spare of the adapter since I figure that part is potentially the weakest point in the brace that could experience the most stress in a drop or during rough handling, AND its a part that might be hardest to get a replacement for if something ever happens to GHW as a company down the road.  I figure the CZ folder part is a factory part that I could find from other sources, and the Tailhook itself is the the toughest part of the whole gun.

I often buy critical or hard to get spare parts for most of my arms. I'm the guy that has to have a minimum of 5 to 10 mags for every gun to feel safe.  Guess that comes from living through the Clinton AWB and often out in then boonies.

I really wish Gearhead Works made the length of the adapter when fully extended about 4-5mm longer so that it will clear a set of coupled magazines. Right now its just so tantalizing shy of placing the tailhook far enough forward when the brace is folded to use coupled mags.  If they ever update the adapter, I'll buy another one. (i have a couple of them as a spare now.).

Interesting - I just bought mine from Prepper Gun Shop. Maybe they have old stock?

Also why do you have "spare" adapters?

I got mine from GHW, one part of a kit with the CZ folder piece.

I bought a spare of the adapter since I figure that part is potentially the weakest point in the brace that could experience the most stress in a drop or during rough handling, AND its a part that might be hardest to get a replacement for if something ever happens to GHW as a company down the road.  I figure the CZ folder part is a factory part that I could find from other sources, and the Tailhook itself is the the toughest part of the whole gun.

I often buy critical or hard to get spare parts for most of my arms. I'm the guy that has to have a minimum of 5 to 10 mags for every gun to feel safe.  Guess that comes from living through the Clinton AWB and often out in then boonies.

I really wish Gearhead Works made the length of the adapter when fully extended about 4-5mm longer so that it will clear a set of coupled magazines. Right now its just so tantalizing shy of placing the tailhook far enough forward when the brace is folded to use coupled mags.  If they ever update the adapter, I'll buy another one. (i have a couple of them as a spare now.).

Gotcha. Thx for the info.