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Title: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: GSX1400 on May 18, 2017, 12:22:02 PM
 :)
Hi, I just fell on your forum searching for some infos/tips for my newly acquired CZ.

I'm not in the "business" since long, so have much to learn.

I have 3 CZ :
A CZ70 (32 acp) that I had to repair (firing pin broke after 3 shots) and modify (kept jamming with Geco cartridges, would only work with S&B).
A CZ 75 BD (decocker) with a Kadet 22LR conversion that i found as a NOS last year

And I'm waiting to get my CZ 75 D Compact model delivered (it a used gun). It's not a very common sight here in France (the Compact model and D version even more...we're not allowed to CCW...no use "normaly" for those kind of caracteristics).
I saw it at the gun shop yesterday and as it has been quite used (MY 2000), it needs a bit of care (recoil spring and guide rod).

I'll go and post my questions were I'm supposed to.

PS : Sometimes I lack technical terms so may be a bit hard to get myself understood. I learn quick...
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: Psyop96 on May 18, 2017, 12:50:28 PM
 Welcome to the forum! That should be an interesting 75 D Compact from 2000. I wonder if it has PCR on the slide. Please post photos in the Compact forum if you can.
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: GSX1400 on May 18, 2017, 01:25:51 PM
Thanks. ;)

What is PCR?

I can't post any pictures at the moment as the gun is at the shop.
The administration has yet to give me authorization to own the gun (but you are allowed to pay the gun immediatly!  ???).

I do have the sellers pictures though. But not very nice quality.

This gun has been used by Previous Owner in "dynamic" shooting competitions and has a bit of scratchs and so. It's not like new looking. But as I'm going to do a shooters training supposed to be efficient in CCW conditions and or save your own life situations, I didn't want to spoil my brand new looking BD version.
Plus the BD is full size and full weight (the Compact is a sort of light weight stuff).
I have no other knowledge of my Compact's history before PO.

My CZ70 (MY 1971), I replaced the firing pin with Harringtons kit, polished the ramp and modified the front of the magazine so no more feeding problems and jams. First time I was "gunsmithing"...
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/GSX1400/CAT%20B/CZ%20VOZR%2070-7%2065X17%20Browning-32ACP/CZ%20VOZR%2070%207.65x17--32acp%2032_zpsxnp9mlwv.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/GSX1400/CAT%20B/CZ%20VOZR%2070-7%2065X17%20Browning-32ACP/CZ%20VOZR%2070%207.65x17--32acp%2031%20-%20Copie_zpsxpu8qwuj.jpg)

My CZ75BD (MY 1998), bought last year still in the box brand new never sold, never shot, except at the CZ plant, I have all the paper work, manuals/shooting target from the test, box...everything. Pictures show it just unwrapped so full of oil and not cleaned up.
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/GSX1400/CAT%20B/CZ%2075%20BD%20et%20conversion%20Kadet%202/DSC04386_zpsenttmzxa.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/GSX1400/CAT%20B/CZ%2075%20BD%20et%20conversion%20Kadet%202/DSC04387_zpsiqnmyj9g.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/GSX1400/CAT%20B/CZ%2075%20BD%20et%20conversion%20Kadet%202/DSC04388%20-%20Copie_zpsbsrxxhqk.jpg)

Decocker versions are hard to come by here...and I find this version interesting even if CCW isn't allowed for civilians.

CZ Kadet conversion (MY 2010). Also new and never shot, in the box. Same seller had both of them. That gun shop specializes in broke gun shops and supposes that my CZ + Kadet had been sitting some where in the ware house forgotten or whatever.
It has Tritium sights which were forbidden shortly after (I think 2010 was the last year for that).
The gun shop offered to buy them back a good price and give me whatever sights I wanted in the catalogue!
I'm keeping it original. I'm very carefull with my stuff and rather collector like in my behaviour. Hence the paper work and all the accessories that I like having with the guns I buy.
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/GSX1400/CAT%20B/CZ%2075%20BD%20et%20conversion%20Kadet%202/DSC04410_zps1ddsmpjl.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/GSX1400/CAT%20B/CZ%2075%20BD%20et%20conversion%20Kadet%202/DSC04413_zpsl7gj5hm4.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/GSX1400/CAT%20B/CZ%2075%20BD%20et%20conversion%20Kadet%202/DSC04414%20-%20Copie_zps2o8htdnb.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/GSX1400/CAT%20B/CZ%2075%20BD%20et%20conversion%20Kadet%202/DSC04426_zpsnpo3xmuf.jpg)
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: Tok36 on May 18, 2017, 01:59:04 PM
Welcome to the forums from California! Nice looking CZs, thank you for the pics.
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: tekarra on May 18, 2017, 03:03:30 PM
Hello and welcome to the forum.  You have some fine pistols.
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: Firemanjones on May 18, 2017, 04:49:59 PM
Welcome from ☀️ Florida.
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: Psyop96 on May 18, 2017, 05:11:13 PM
Pardon. I forgot that the PCR name is used only in the North American market. It is known as the CZ 75 D Compact without the rail and with the alloy frame in the rest of the CZUB markets. Here's a photo of a 1999 manufacture when it did have MOD. PCR on the slide for Policie České Republiky.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170518/75d1fbcf705be1081b3038ae132cf8e6.jpg)
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: GSX1400 on May 18, 2017, 07:20:54 PM
Thanks all for the greetings!  :D

Do I understand well : there are CZ75 D Compact with alloy frame and others with metal frames (heavier)?

Mine has the rail underneath. Not fond of that as I don't see the use for it. I'm not going to put a laser or a light on a gun supposed to be compact and concealable and light.
I would rather have had the normal version so that it could fit in my holster...

I have to buy another holster for my Compact now : a Kydex (cheap) one will do for the training or a paddle thing.
If you have any recommandations...

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/GSX1400/CAT%20B/CZ%2075%20BD%20et%20conversion%20Kadet%202/DSC06529_zpsnon2bm6y.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/GSX1400/CAT%20B/CZ%2075%20BD%20et%20conversion%20Kadet%202/DSC06530_zpshyl0auya.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/GSX1400/CAT%20B/CZ%2075%20BD%20et%20conversion%20Kadet%202/DSC06532_zpszjaa1xmm.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/GSX1400/CAT%20B/CZ%2075%20BD%20et%20conversion%20Kadet%202/DSC06519_zpsknkgfxpr.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/GSX1400/CAT%20B/CZ%2075%20BD%20et%20conversion%20Kadet%202/DSC06518_zpsfccurqq0.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/GSX1400/CAT%20B/CZ%2075%20BD%20et%20conversion%20Kadet%202/DSC06526_zpsca6kvurh.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/GSX1400/CAT%20B/CZ%2075%20BD%20et%20conversion%20Kadet%202/DSC06524_zpsjoivs1hn.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/GSX1400/CAT%20B/CZ%2075%20BD%20et%20conversion%20Kadet%202/DSC06533_zpswfo6n301.jpg)

This is handmade-custom made by a french guy who does a terrific job. But you musn't be hurried to get it. He does everything himself and boy does he have work/orders!
You can carry it outside (take off the loops)/inside and in different positions.
Beautiful craftmanship.
A shame to use it almost!  ;D Just to put it in my museum... :-[
Title: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: cntrydawwwg on May 18, 2017, 07:27:50 PM
Hello, and welcome from Montana.
   Did I hear correctly, Tritium sights are illegal to buy where you live?????
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: GSX1400 on May 18, 2017, 07:44:41 PM
Yeah! Something to see with radiations emissivity.
I heard that even watch makers (see the Swiss neighbors) had to quit using it.

If you even knew what other stupidities Europe is looking for considering guns here... :-X

Here are 3 pictures of my Compact to come (sellers photos) :
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/GSX1400/CAT%20B/CZ%2075%20D%20COMPACT/Photos%20Zitoune%20sur%20PAAF2%2017_zpsomatwxma.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/GSX1400/CAT%20B/CZ%2075%20D%20COMPACT/Photos%20Zitoune%20sur%20PAAF2%2018_zpsxf01s9x7.jpg)

I'm thinking of changing the recoil spring which has either been cut (to enhance shooting during IPSC competitions) or broken and the guide which has suffered a bit too (the springs seat is "bashed up" a little).
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/GSX1400/CAT%20B/CZ%2075%20D%20COMPACT/Copie_zpsnyhdj8im.jpg)

I'll post some questions on that matter in the appropriate section here.
2am here, good night! ???

EDIT :
BTW, the slide stop doesn't poke out too much on the right hand side and is sort of flush mounted. Pain in the neck to take it out.
Is it supposed to be like that? :o
On my BD version, it sticks out enough to make it easy to push (for disassembling).
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: wdbutcher on May 18, 2017, 08:46:31 PM
Hello and welcome from Nebraska.
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: Pin shooter on May 18, 2017, 08:53:32 PM
Welcome from Ohio.

Easy to see why that holster maker has back orders, quality looks great.

Guessing you ride a Suzuki? The 1400 is probably a torque monster (sorry, off topic, I'm into bikes also).
Title: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: Psyop96 on May 19, 2017, 03:50:03 AM
Good morning! Some very nice "gun and leather porn" there. I like the look of the narrower decocker levers of the 90s on the BD and D Compacts. Your railed D Compact appears to have the features of many of the surplus D Compacts from that period of manufacture that have been brought into the States lately. I think I see a T-with-Circle proof mark on the barrel; the mounting slot on the rail is not fully cut through like on the newer models; it looks like there is a flat ledge in front of the sights above the slide serrations? Some of the older guns have the low profile rear sights with the front of that sight sitting on that ledge.
Here's a link to a recent forum discussion on different frames for the compact line of CZs. Note the photo for the third type for comparison with your D Compact. The P-01 name is also a marketing name in the US market for the railed D Compact like yours. Thanks for sharing with photos.
 http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=88666
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: GSX1400 on May 19, 2017, 05:04:36 AM
Welcome from Ohio.

Easy to see why that holster maker has back orders, quality looks great.

Guessing you ride a Suzuki? The 1400 is probably a torque monster (sorry, off topic, I'm into bikes also).

Yes. Torque master :
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/GSX1400/Divers%20GSX/2014-05-25BaladeRognac1_zps53e2ab57.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/GSX1400/Divers%20GSX/2014-05-25BaladeRognac6_zps096ce2e6.jpg)
 ;)
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: GSX1400 on May 19, 2017, 05:06:53 AM
Good morning! Some very nice "gun and leather porn" there. I like the look of the narrower decocker levers of the 90s on the BD and D Compacts. Your railed D Compact appears to have the features of many of the surplus D Compacts from that period of manufacture that have been brought into the States lately. I think I see a T-with-Circle proof mark on the barrel; the mounting slot on the rail is not fully cut through like on the newer models; it looks like there is a flat ledge in front of the sights above the slide serrations? Some of the older guns have the low profile rear sights with the front of that sight sitting on that ledge.
Here's a link to a recent forum discussion on different frames for the compact line of CZs. Note the photo for the third type for comparison with your D Compact. The P-01 name is also a marketing name in the US market for the railed D Compact like yours. Thanks for sharing with photos.
 http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=88666

No time to read the link at the moment, but will be back for sure.
When my Compact will be home, I'll do some picture shooting to show details if interest.
 8)
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: colt45acp on May 19, 2017, 12:27:27 PM
Welcome to our forum.

Full size "SIG Sauers",  "CZ" sport pistols,  and classic collectible "USGI 1911s"  have always been among my favourite guns.
I've been an avid collector and a shooter for decades, but  I never stop learning,
After over 38  years of guns-ownership I still enjoy shooting my own reloadings at IDPA ranges at least twice a week.

JMO this is one of the best gun forums among the several I belong to, I think it's quite a learning experience. hope you'll enjoy your time here.

Safe shooting.
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: dc581 on May 20, 2017, 02:18:12 PM
Welcome from Florida!
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: GSX1400 on August 01, 2017, 07:31:30 AM
Just a quick post to say that I haven't had much time lately to take care of my Compact and post some pics.
That will come (patience...).

I am having some feeding problems with this gun (slide not fully closing sometimes, I have to push it to be able to fire) that make me wonder if the spring would not be tired.
I can't find recoil springs/guides for the Compact here...

The only thing I find is DPM kits with 2 springs. Do you think it would be ok?

I would rather buy an original spring and guide for a cost question...my gunshop has them on backorder since I've got the gun 2 months ago and doesn't know when (IF???) he'll get them...crazy.

I was thinking about buying some spares (ejector, springs, guide, slide stop...) for my CZ's (75 BD, D Compact, Kadet) in order to be safe because availablity here is just terrible.

What spare parts would you recommend?
I have a relative in the US that I could have these parts sent to and who could bring them back in his luggage on the occasion.
What webshops would you recommend please?

Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: tattooo on August 01, 2017, 10:13:46 AM
Welcome !
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: Practical Shooter on August 01, 2017, 06:05:59 PM
Welcome from Kentucky.
Don't ever come to America, you will never go back to France after seeing what you can play with around here. It happened to me 30 years ago. Je suis un expat Breton. Ci tu cherches des termes technique, je pourais peut etre t'aider. A+, Arnaud
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: Ludoo on August 04, 2017, 04:14:35 PM
Salut copain! (du sud aussi, 82)

It seems to be a good idea to get a spare slide stop and a bushing. According to what I read, those are the weak parts on those CZs
For us, European people, check this site : http://www.cz-spare.parts (http://www.cz-spare.parts). No feedback of them, but could be a good idea to seek, prices are really fair there.

The Kadet with Tritium sights is collector, to keep at all cost!

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Si jamais, je suis intéressé par une photo montrant les 2 75, full size et compact, au côté d'un Glock 17 et si dispo d'un 19 ;)
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: GSX1400 on August 05, 2017, 04:00:35 AM
 ;) Salut l'ami.

I had a look on the website you gave me the link to.
A lot of things are "to be confirmed" which means they're not on stock...
When I bought the Compact a couple of months ago and saw the state of the spring and its guide rod, I ordered the 2 parts at my gunshop.
To date, he still hasn't got them and doesn't know WHEN he'll get them! He says CZ has too much orders for guns and that the rest doesn't follow up. People have been waiting for some guns for MONTHS...
I wanted to buy a 577 Range Rifle last year and no one was able to give me a delivery date : one or two months or...maybe more, we don't know. They are now available on stock. I didn't wait and went for a Tikka CTR (308 Win) which was MORE expensive. :(
No regrets anyways because the Tikka is really nice, very precise and all weather (stainless steel and plastic).

Anyways, I was thinking of getting some spares "just in case" like a recoil spring + guide rod, ejector/pin/spring, slide stop
Concerning the guide rod, I see plastic and metal ones. Which to prefer and why?
My CZ75s (BD/D Compact and Kadet 2) all have a plastic guide.

What's the bushing on a CZ75?
I do know what it is on a 1911, the front part, but on a CZ75???

Why do you say the Kadet 2 is a collector? Because of the Tritium sights?

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Je peux te faire une photo des deux CZ 75 à-côté pour comparer la taille, mais je n'ai pas de Glock. ???
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: GSX1400 on August 05, 2017, 04:03:43 AM
BTW, which weight would you guys choose for the recoil spring (11lbs, 13lbs...whatever)?
Thanks.

EDIT : I read factory weight is 17 lbs? :o
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: Practical Shooter on August 05, 2017, 07:33:08 AM
;) Salut l'ami.
What's the bushing on a CZ75?
I do know what it is on a 1911, the front part, but on a CZ75???

Here is a picture of a bushing. A piece of metal holding the end of the barrel
https://cajungunworks.com/product/barrel-bushing-for-sp-01-10x/
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Tu peux trouver des tas de photos de comparaison entre different pistolet ici:
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=67157.0
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: GSX1400 on August 05, 2017, 01:50:44 PM
Welcome from Kentucky.
Don't ever come to America, you will never go back to France after seeing what you can play with around here. It happened to me 30 years ago. Je suis un expat Breton. Ci tu cherches des termes technique, je pourais peut etre t'aider. A+, Arnaud
:P ;D
Et merci de ton offre.
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: GSX1400 on August 05, 2017, 01:54:18 PM
So I finally did some pics comparing the CZ75 BD and the CZ75 D Compact.
Photobucket f*cked me up. They are no longer allowing third party image sharing.
Unless I pay 4 or 600 bucks a year (can't recall the exact sum, but it sucks all right!).
I have thousands of pictures on there...they got me trapped!

How can I share them with you here now?

Oh, and all my old pictures will soon disappear from my posts... O0
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: GSX1400 on August 05, 2017, 01:56:23 PM
;) Salut l'ami.
What's the bushing on a CZ75?
I do know what it is on a 1911, the front part, but on a CZ75???

Here is a picture of a bushing. A piece of metal holding the end of the barrel
https://cajungunworks.com/product/barrel-bushing-for-sp-01-10x/
---------------------------------------------------------------
Tu peux trouver des tas de photos de comparaison entre different pistolet ici:
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=67157.0

I have no bushing on either of my CZ75s???
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: Ludoo on August 06, 2017, 03:53:42 AM
Sorry, I didn't check the website before, so I didn't see there was close to nothing in stock.

I agree about the CZ avaibility. A few months ago, I was speaking with guys of SDS, and they told me it's terrible how bad it is. It seems to still be the same :(

Anyway, preparing a spare parts stock is a very good idea. A friend do the same for his Buckmark. Now, Browning spare parts are terrible to get too, still waiting for a buffer for mine, ordered to my gunshop in february. He called Browing several times in front of me, so I know the problem comes from Belgium.

Yes, I say the Kadet is collector because of tritium sights ^^

I checked the pciture thread, but didin't saw any CZ/Glock comparison. Maybe I missed it. Anyway, I still have time to compare before buying, I'll find a gunshop with both to handle'em both :)

For sharing my pics, I use hostingpics (http://www.hostingpics.net/)
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: GSX1400 on August 06, 2017, 06:03:10 AM
I tried to put the pics in real size, but they're too big to fit, so I'm putting small ones. You can click on them.

CZ75 BD vs CZ75 D Compact :
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_242281ComparaisonCZ75BDCZ75DCompact1.jpg) (https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=242281ComparaisonCZ75BDCZ75DCompact1.jpg)
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_511114ComparaisonCZ75BDCZ75DCompact2Copie.jpg) (https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=511114ComparaisonCZ75BDCZ75DCompact2Copie.jpg)
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_827418ComparaisonCZ75BDCZ75DCompact5Copie.jpg) (https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=827418ComparaisonCZ75BDCZ75DCompact5Copie.jpg)
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_440680ComparaisonCZ75BDCZ75DCompact3Copie.jpg) (https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=440680ComparaisonCZ75BDCZ75DCompact3Copie.jpg)
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_924914ComparaisonCZ75BDCZ75DCompact4Copie.jpg) (https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=924914ComparaisonCZ75BDCZ75DCompact4Copie.jpg)
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_714969ComparaisonCZ75BDCZ75DCompact6.jpg) (https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=714969ComparaisonCZ75BDCZ75DCompact6.jpg)
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_352692ComparaisonCZ75BDCZ75DCompact7.jpg) (https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=352692ComparaisonCZ75BDCZ75DCompact7.jpg)
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_321353ComparaisonCZ75BDCZ75DCompact9.jpg) (https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=321353ComparaisonCZ75BDCZ75DCompact9.jpg)
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_795145ComparaisonCZ75BDCZ75DCompact8.jpg) (https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=795145ComparaisonCZ75BDCZ75DCompact8.jpg)
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: GSX1400 on September 04, 2017, 12:24:26 PM
Hi everyone,
I just posted some questions here : http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=91640.new#new

 ;)
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: Roger Vick on September 11, 2017, 11:14:02 PM
Welcome aboard from California
Title: Re: Hi from south of...France!
Post by: GSX1400 on September 15, 2017, 11:31:45 AM
Thanks Roger!  ;)