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GENERAL => General Firearms Discussion => Topic started by: SlvrDragon50 on July 13, 2017, 12:09:44 PM
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As title states, I just bought my first AR lower :D I went with an Aero Precision STS 60* lower. All I have are my CZ S2 and 85C and Kadet Kit so this will be a fun build for me. Unfortunately, I'm prioritizing a CZ compact purchase first so I don't see this AR build finishing in the near future (esp since I'm not picking up the lower until November).
That said, I'm soooo excited. I really wanted a CZ Bren, but the price would have made that purchase a bit irresponsible. I'm planning on building it for 2/3gun so probably an 18" length build. Unfortunately, there's so many parts out there it's so incredibly confusing reading about all the parts :( I used to have an AR airsoft gun growing up so I'm really pumped to handle one again!
Just wanted to share my excitement. Happy to take any suggestions as well :)
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Congrats! AR's are fun to build. I thought about keeping an extra lower around just to build it up over time but time last time I did that I finished it in 2 weeks...LOL
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Building my AR from scratch, piece by piece, was one of the most fun and rewarding projects I ever worked on. I love my AR and have several more lowers lying around. I also used Aero
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I just got home with a new Ruger striped lower from the LGS.
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Yea. I spent so much time looking at AR parts, but then I had to remind myself that I won't even have a lower for 4 months ::)
On the bright side, this means I can start picking up AR parts piece by piece as I see them come on sale! I plan on making most purchases ~Black Friday Christmas though unless I see some used parts come up. Unfortunately the only part I'm sure on is a Miculek comp haha.
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Patience and holiday sales are your friend. Beware though, the experience of assembling your own AR is diminished by the tracking of expenses. A good barrel and a good trigger are essential, the rest is icing on the cake.
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Eighteen inch barrel? vs. a sixteen inch barrel? Is the little bit of extra velocity worth it? With good barrels I wouldn't think you'd see a difference in accuracy.
Anymore, I get just about all my AR15 stuff from PSA (Palmetto State Armory).
This 18" upper: http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-18-rifle-length-223-wylde-1-7-stainless-15-keymod-upper-no-bcg-or-charging-handle.html
along with the bolt/charging handle, scope, scope mount, etc. became this rifle. It's a good shooting rifle. It has a different scope mount on it now so I could get the scope farther forward (gotta have my nose on the charging handle whether using the optic or the back up sights. Oh, I got the A1 fixed stock of ebay. I'm finding I like those better than the carbine stocks and much better than the A2 fixed stocks.
(http://i.imgur.com/9psu3wlm.jpg)
The latest stuff from PSA now looks like this. It was this upper from PSA with the rest of the parts. http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-5-56-1-7-midlength-nitride-lightweight-keymod-freedom-upper-w-bcg-ch-mbus-sight-set.html
(http://i.imgur.com/QhxDUhVm.jpg)
So far I've not had to send anything back to PSA or call them for advice. On this last one (the 16" I thought I might, but the problem with not chambering seemed to clear itself but I never did see/find out why.)
Good luck, with whatever you get.
Everyone has their likes/dislikes.
I like a keymod free float tube (free float tube to insure the barrel stays isolated from accuracy robbing contact/stress). Keymod because that's what all mine are.
I like a scope over a dot sight (now a scope with a dot is sort of okay) because I can shoot smaller groups and ID targets better with a scope than with a 1X red dot optic (yeah, I know the 16" in the picture has an Aimpoint on it but it will get a scope sooner or later, all of them do.
I like a chrome or NiB bolt. There's just no comparison in how fast a "slick" bolt cleans up vs. a standard parkerized bolt/carrier.
I like a nice trigger. I've got RRA triggers and one Giselle and either are nice.
I like GI web slings. I've got a couple leather slings on old bolt action rifles (GI bolt action) and they are just tough to use on a hot sweaty day. The wet skin isn't slick to a leather sling, it makes them stick like glue.
I've got PMags and GI aluminum mags and even a few steel mags. Every brand of magazine I've bought works fine except CProducts mags. The black stainless CProducts mags. for the 5.45X39 S&W M&P 15 work great. The aluminum CProducts mags. for the 5.56X45 AR15's gave me a 30% failure rate. Both batches I ordered. Wouldn't feed the last 2 rounds out of the magazine. First 28 were great, the last two would nose down jam. Changing springs didn't help.
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I've found that assembling the lower is easy and a worthwhile upgrade is a great trigger.
When putting together the upper... I found it not as worthwhile to assemble it versus buying a completed upper from a decent company.
I didn't see a huge difference in price
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I've found that assembling the lower is easy and a worthwhile upgrade is a great trigger.
When putting together the upper... I found it not as worthwhile to assemble it versus buying a completed upper from a decent company.
I didn't see a huge difference in price
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This is good advice. I'm trying to decide between buying an entry level AR on sale (like an Armalite DSR or Ruger AR556) or picking up a stripped lower and assembling my own. I've spec'd out all sorts of combinations of parts and build kits, but am finding that it's only slightly cheaper or the same price as just buying one. What I'm probably not accounting for is the upgrades I'd eventually be making to a pre-built AR...like a better trigger or different furniture.
Can you recommend a good build book or video for someone doing this for the first time?
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I'm a big fan of ALG triggers. Much better than mil-spec and don't break the bank. They're made by Geisele, who make incredible triggers at a much higher price point.
Matt
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I used an ALG ACT in my first AR, and a Geissele SD-E in my second. For a mil spec trigger, the ACT is very nice. I bought the SD-E on sale for $175, money well spent. After shooting tuned CZ triggers in my pistols, the bar was raised and "nice mil spec" wasn't quite good enough. Similar to CGW parts, for me a Geissele trigger is now considered part of the deal when planning/building/buying a new gun. For 3 gun I can't see using anything less. Red Barn Armory has a nice deal that allows you to select the individual components you want in a LPK. The worst thing about AR's is they interrupt pre-planned CZ purchase schedules. Makes for a nice little diversion though.
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OP You are in for a fun time. They don't call them Legos guns for nothing.
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Wow some fantastic advice. I'll read in more detail when I get back home, but first thing I saw was 18 vs 16? To be honest I don't know. I just saw a lot of 3 gun guys use 18. I've also been reading that rifle length gas systems are the way to go? I haven't really figured out the sweet spot on price and performance yet, but it seems to be the 200-300 dollar barrels? I'm also hesitant to drop a lot because this is my first rifle which means lots of training ammunition with shooter errors where a good barrel won't benefit me too much. I don't want to wear out a nice barrel learning how to shoot.
Definitely not cheaping out on a trigger though! I saw a video comparison of them, and I remember the Timney looking good, but Primary Arms has a good deal with a free LPK with a Hiperfire 24C purchase. But again, I'm probably going to have to wait til he end of the year to purchase! I have been quite confused about LPK quality though. There's so many out there, and I'm not sure how much quality matters. Prices range a lot from like 35 for a CMMG to 100+. I've been reading Colt LPKs are a pretty safe bet too without breaking the bank.
That PSA assembled upper looks good though. Hard to beat the price.
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A cheap barrel that won't shoot decent groups won't help you learn to shoot. Considering the fact that you'll shoot at least $4000 worth of ammo over the life of the barrel, $200 for a decent barrel is worth it. That said, PSA occasionally sells an 18" upper with a chrome lined FN made barrel that is supposed to be quite good.
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Ck this out!
http://www.primaryarms.com/PABU18-223ZS
or this!
http://www.primaryarms.com/B223-5-56MHB1818-SSBCF
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Congratulations.
I first got the AR bug back before the klinton AWB.
After assembling more than I can remember, the last one I built, I jumped in and finally made one from an 80% lower. After I was finished, I felt like I had made my own lightsaber. ;D
If you want a real challenge, you could start with one of these - https://www.dsarms.com/p-14036-dsa-ar15-lower-receiver-forging-7075t6-alloy-mil-spec-completely-unmachined.aspx
(a 0% lower)
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Oh man that is a sexy barrel!
Realistically I don't know how often I'll shoot rifle past like 50-100 yards which is why I'm hesitant to get a nice barrel. Primary Arms has so many good deals! It's a dangerous site haha
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Oh man that is a sexy barrel!
Realistically I don't know how often I'll shoot rifle past like 50-100 yards which is why I'm hesitant to get a nice barrel. Primary Arms has so many good deals! It's a dangerous site haha
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Yes it is!!! Sign up for their email. AR stuff is cheap right now.
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Oh, and the build video that I like is done by Larry P. himself from Midway USA. It is on their website and on youtube.
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Congrats! I'm putting the finishing touches on my own first AR build, bit am holding off on completing it until I decide where it will be stored (due to a local AWB).
I also went with the Aero STS lower - I got a blem, too, so it actually cost the same as a standard lower. In the end, though, I got the AXTS Talon safety (which doesn't require the extra notch in the lower), so it wound up being a moot point).
ETA: Primary Arms is my favorite source for AR parts. They have great selection, fast shipping, great customer service, and regularly have absurd (20% off or more) sales on premium brands. You just have to time it right and buy enough stuff in each order to minimize shipping costs.
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Realistically I don't know how often I'll shoot rifle past like 50-100 yards which is why I'm hesitant to get a nice barrel. Primary Arms has so many good deals! It's a dangerous site haha
If you're only shooting 50-100, stick with a 16" mid-length barrel. Extra length adds velocity, not accuracy; that's good for shooting longer distances because you get less bullet drop, but for a given thickness, a longer barrel is less rigid than a short one.
I got the Faxon Gunners barrel, which is both inexpensive and favorably reviewed from various sources. Also, I will admit that the 3 hours of QA time they did with Ian & Karl on InRangeTV sold me on the company. Faxon has 10% off sales from time to time, though I got mine on sale from Brownells for $137 (which comes out to about 21% off).
https://youtu.be/e2X1iaQbjg8
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Will definitely give that a watch. I am leaning towards Faxon because of Aerospace here!
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I have 1 Faxon barrel so this is only a sample of 1, but usually if someone produces a lemon I end up with it. I have their 14.5? mid-length with the pencil profile and standard 5.56 chamber on a lightweight build. I tried to get the point of impact to shift or walk and was unable to do so by doing 2 mag dumps (don't normally do mag dumps). I could see no sign of of any shift. I have to say that for the price I was impressed, and will buy from Faxon again. Not up on the 3 gun scene so I can't recommend anything for that specifically other than to go to some matches and talk to the competitors.
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I have 1 Faxon barrel so this is only a sample of 1, but usually if someone produces a lemon I end up with it. I have their 14.5? mid-length with the pencil profile and standard 5.56 chamber on a lightweight build. I tried to get the point of impact to shift or walk and was unable to do so by doing 2 mag dumps (don't normally do mag dumps). I could see no sign of of any shift. I have to say that for the price I was impressed, and will buy from Faxon again. Not up on the 3 gun scene so I can't recommend anything for that specifically other than to go to some matches and talk to the competitors.
After listening to those Faxon interviews, I believe I will be going for a pencil barrel as well. The guy really knows his stuff, and all of his explanations make complete sense.
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Great time to get into building AR's. Parts are plentiful and at great prices. Research as much as possible. Many great combinations out there.
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Great time to get into building AR's. Parts are plentiful and at great prices. Research as much as possible. Many great combinations out there.
Yup! I have my eye on this kit from PSA.
http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-18-rifle-length-223-wylde-1-7-nitride-15-m-lok-upper-w-out-bcg-or-ch-77932967.html
260 for barrel, receiver, rail seems pretty sweet!
Unfortunately, I keep coming across handguard reviews on Youtube, and I want every single one hah. I think I might need to start an Excel document soon.
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I think we've all been through this. It's even worse on your first build, because you feel like you need to get everything exactly right, otherwise the rifle is ruined. Just ruined. FOREVER!
The single best thing for you to do is:
1. Be patient. Just because you miss one sale doesn't mean you're doomed to overpay - in fact, it's quite the opposite. I've noticed that things that go on sale once tend to go on sale again in three months. It's the things that are seemingly never o sale that you want to jump on.
2. Realisitcally figure out what you want your rifle for, and how it will be used. You've said earlier that you'll mostly be shooting 50-100 yards (which is what most people do). If so, then you really don't need an 18" barrel. 16" will do just find, and save you some weight. If, however, you have someplace near you that you lets you shoot to 500 yards, then go for the 18". Shooting long range is fun (especially steel!), and you'll get addicted even if you think it's beyond your capabilities now.
ETA: for the record, I have an SLR Helix handguard. I can't review it because I haven't completed my rifle yet, but the thing is crazy light, has a solid and rigid attachment, and is thin and comfortable to hold in a C-grip.
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Oh yea.. I've seen the SLR grips. They look so sweet!
I've also been looking at Midwest Industries since they have a smaller diameter, and I have smaller hands. Tooooo many choices!!!
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Oh, and the build video that I like is done by Larry P. himself from Midway USA. It is on their website and on youtube.
So, after watching Larry's videos I decided to bite the bullet and picked up an Anderson stripped lower. I plan to order a lower build kit from PSA later today. As for the upper, I haven't decided if I want to go with a complete pre-built upper or do it all from scratch. The latter will cost me more, but I'll get exactly what I want without having to waste parts via later upgrades.
With all that said, one thing I don't like about the Midway USA videos is that they're also trying to sell tools. I know the right tool makes the job a lot easier, but my question is this: What build tools are "really" required versus "nice to have?" I would think that roll pin and roll pin starter punches are a must. And a torque wrench, too (which I have). And I have lots of other tools, too. But as for the specialty tools what's really important?
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I've assembled many lowers either at my kitchen table or my office desk with no special tools besides a set punches.
One thing that does make installing takedown/pivot pin detents easier is a clevis pin. Which can easily be picked up at HD or Lowes for under $2
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Good call on the Aero lower, I have the Aero Precision AC15M rifle. If you're shooting less than 300m stick with a 16", you won't need the extra length. 4150 QPQ treated mid length gas barrel, smooth recoil, and ya' really only need chrome lined if you're going full auto or run corrosive ammo in the jungle. Check out the Ruger AR556 trigger, you can find them for less than $100, bleep nice trigger. You won't find a better muzzle device for barrel control than the Epsilon VG6 or the Strike Industries J comp V2 but they can't beat the standard bird cage for flash suppression.
My 2 cents
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Just got an email - sale on Faxon 16" gunner and pencil barrels. 25% off through Sunday.
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9mm...
Not an AR fanatic but I cant pass up a cheap stripped lower. Have several lowers ATM but not really wanting one in 223.
Leaning on 300 BO or 7.62X39
possibly another 9mm in pistol length with a "Brace".
45ACP pistol would be COOL too.
Last batch I bought I had transferred as "other" so you are free to do as you please. Also I always get the "Multi Caliber". Never know what the future may do to certain items like this.
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Just got an email - sale on Faxon 16" gunner and pencil barrels. 25% off through Sunday.
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Is there a coupon code? I was looking at an American Defense barrel in .223 Wylde via Primary Arms, but it's $239.99 and the Faxon barrel is $225 before the sale price. But when I'm at their website I don't see the discount. It's a Gunner barrel.
http://faxonfirearms.com/match-series-16-gunner-223-wylde-mid-length-416r-qpq-5r-np3-extension/ (http://faxonfirearms.com/match-series-16-gunner-223-wylde-mid-length-416r-qpq-5r-np3-extension/)
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No coupon code - it just says "25% off 16" 4150 Pencil & Gunner Barrels, 35% off for LE/Mil/First Responders". Looking at the site now, I don't see the sale listed, either.
The barrel you linked is their match barrel, so I don't think that qualifies anyway.
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I found some on sale under their clearance section that look to be about 25% off. So I think you're right that the match barrel isn't discounted. But it's still cheaper than what I was looking at (although slightly), but seems to be a great barrel. Will have to consider it!
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I found some on sale under their clearance section that look to be about 25% off. So I think you're right that the match barrel isn't discounted. But it's still cheaper than what I was looking at (although slightly), but seems to be a great barrel. Will have to consider it!
The clearance items don't match what's in my email. I think I'm going to email them - they either didn't update their website, or they sent the email blast out too soon.
ETA: Just got a reply - you need to put it in your cart to see the sale price. I just confirmed it works - the standard gunner barrel is $131.25 in my cart.
Fortunately for me, they're sold out on the 16" legal barrel, so I won't be blowing $200 today.
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I found some on sale under their clearance section that look to be about 25% off. So I think you're right that the match barrel isn't discounted. But it's still cheaper than what I was looking at (although slightly), but seems to be a great barrel. Will have to consider it!
The clearance items don't match what's in my email. I think I'm going to email them - they either didn't update their website, or they sent the email blast out too soon.
ETA: Just got a reply - you need to put it in your cart to see the sale price. I just confirmed it works - the standard gunner barrel is $131.25 in my cart.
Fortunately for me, they're sold out on the 16" legal barrel, so I won't be blowing $200 today.
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Hmm. I don't see any discounts.. I put it in my cart, and it's stil 185 for the 18".
I've started putting together my parts list, and I think I'm set on everything except for the buffer tube and gas block. I'm not sure whether to go adjustable or not. I think I do eventaully want to try out a low mass BCG. I saw there was an adjustable gas key as well, but I am hearing mixed reviwes.
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If you plan on a low mass carrier, you'll need an adjustable gas block. If the intended purpose is 3 gun, then adjustable for sure. I have a Seekins and an SLR. SLR was bought for a new build so haven't installed yet, but it looks super nice compared to the Seekins. Sounds like the snowball has left the top of the hill. 😁
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I have a bleeppot full of AR15's. Only one AR10.
Anybody who has AR15's knows how quickly they get DIRTY inside. Is it the design? Is it the .223 round/powder?
I put a Superlative Arms adjustable gas block (the model that can be adjusted to vent excess gas out the front) on the AR10 (.308). At this point all I can say is it runs so much cleaner than the AR15's it's unreal.
I don't think all of them can be adjusted to vent excess gas. Some just restrict the flow of gas. They may work well, too. The one from Superlative Arms is the only one I've bought.
Different barrel diameters and a choice of clamp on the barrel or set screws to lock them in place.
https://suparms.com/collections/adjustable-gas-blocks-direct-impingement
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If you plan on a low mass carrier, you'll need an adjustable gas block. If the intended purpose is 3 gun, then adjustable for sure. I have a Seekins and an SLR. SLR was bought for a new build so haven't installed yet, but it looks super nice compared to the Seekins. Sounds like the snowball has left the top of the hill. 😁
Dang :( SLR Gas blocks are so expensive! That's one thing I'm hesitant with the 0.625" gunner block since there seems to be a smaller selection of gas blocks as well.
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Hmm. I don't see any discounts.. I put it in my cart, and it's stil 185 for the 18".
The sale is on the 16" barrels only.
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Hmm. I don't see any discounts.. I put it in my cart, and it's stil 185 for the 18".
The sale is on the 16" barrels only.
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Dang. Looks like the 25% applies to the add ons as well.. Tempting since the SLR and low mass BCG will be 25% off too. Will the sales be similar during the holidays? Any reason to rush this purchase now? I don't even have an upper yet so it's not like I can build. I would still prefer the 18" barrel, but I can live with 16".
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It's always better to wait for what you really want than to buy something just because it's on sale.
It's hard to predict future sales, but it's definitely a buyer's market right now. My advice is to wait.
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It's always better to wait for what you really want than to buy something just because it's on sale.
It's hard to predict future sales, but it's definitely a buyer's market right now. My advice is to wait.
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Okay, thanks! I will wait then. Gonna sign up for Faxon emails though.
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As soon as you settle for something because it's on sale, the thing you wanted will go on sale everytime. If I see something on sale, I search everywhere for it to confirm that it's a good deal with shipping added then add little things to the order like gas tubes etc. Shipping will eat you alive a little at a time.
25% off on an SLR block is pretty good. That brought the price close enough to cheaper blocks to push me over the edge. After Labor Day, what's the next sale opportunity? Thanksgiving? End of year sales are good too, as distributors don't want to carry inventory (taxes) into the next year.
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Fwiw, I'm waiting on a Faxon barrel for my 6.5 Grendel build(grp buy). Should be ready to ship by the second week of August. I'm using a side charging upper that isn't likely to go on sale, so that can wait till I have everything else. If I'd already bought an upper, I probably would have gotten impatient and bought a barrel that didn't quite fit my needs.
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Shipping will eat you alive a little at a time.
Yeah, shipping really ate into my supposed "savings" when buying stuff on sale early on. I'm so used to free shipping on Amazon that I'd initially forgotten to factor that in to my purchases, especially on small items.
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Yea, makes sense. I am starting research more though with lightweight BCGs, but I budgeted my build, and it's already at $1300 without super expensive components which is more than I anticipated. Granted, it is without any discounts, but I was hoping to spend $1000 for everything (excluding optics of course).
The lightweight BCGs seem like they'll just push me over the budget too much with the exception of AIM Surplus's $130 lightweight BCG. Starting to read about it though to see if it's durable.
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Working the sales will "save" you a bunch of money. Then again, sales tend to lead to upgrades. Just remember this, you won't get your first one exactly the way you want it. No matter how much research you do ahead of time, you'll still want to make changes later. Spend money on good core components like the barrel, trigger, gas block etc. so you have a solid precise shooting gun. Higher performance items like LW BCG's and captured recoil springs can be added later as you figure out how to tune things to your liking. The parts you replace are good to have as spares.
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It helps to keep an Excel spreadsheet of various components, along with the occasional sale prices.
A high-quality, $1k AR is easily within reach, as long as you don't get greedy. There are some great values out there.
Trigger - You can regularly find the LaRue MBT on sale for $99. From what I've read, it's comparable to a Geissele SSA - the trick is that the $99 price is for a 2-3 month delivery period. That's not a problem when taking your time on the build, like you are.
Upper Receiver - wait for a blemished receivers from Aero Precision. They're a steal, especially if they have an assembled upper; it saves you the trouble of pinning the forward assist. I think they go for something like $70 normally, but if you're patient, you'll have a site-wide sale coincide with a blemished upper. I got mine for $55. I also bought my gas tube, A2 flash hider, and buffer tube with my upper to qualify for free shipping.
Lower Parts Kit - I've seen CMMG kits go on sale at Primary Arms for as low as $25.
Furniture - wait for a sale at Primary Arms. Grip, trigger guard, stock, MBUS sights - I've regularly seen them at 25% off or more.
Faxon regularly has 10% off sales, but they regularly have unadvertised flash sales like the one I just mentioned. If you can get the barrel & gas block for 20% off or more, that's a huge savings.
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Yup!
This is my spreadsheet. The $110 upper w/ BCG seems like an insane deal, but it's a normal Toolcraft BCG rather than low mass. The deal seems too good though to not get if just to get a backup BCG.
http://www.monmouthreloading.com/shop/ar15-upper-receiver-bcg-combo/
I am pretty set on the Hiperfire 24C or Eclipse though after reading about it. I know it's adding a big cost, but I think it'll be worth it.
Thanks for the trips.
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My new stripped lower has already been to the range and is a rifle now. I already had the upper though.
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I notice your spreadsheet has two different gas blocks (Battle Arms and Superlative arms). Removing one will drop your current price by $80-$90.
I think you can get it down to close to $1,100 easily with sales; $1,000 will be tougher, but still possible with some patience and luck.
There are a few items you can swap out to drop the price a bit - I'd suggest trying out the standard LPK before deciding on the upgraded parts. I have the XMR2 and a 45 degree safety myself because I apparently have wee itty bitty baby hands; it might not be necessary for you if you're normal sized.
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I notice your spreadsheet has two different gas blocks (Battle Arms and Superlative arms). Removing one will drop your current price by $80-$90.
I think you can get it down to close to $1,100 easily with sales; $1,000 will be tougher, but still possible with some patience and luck.
There are a few items you can swap out to drop the price a bit - I'd suggest trying out the standard LPK before deciding on the upgraded parts. I have the XMR2 and a 45 degree safety myself because I apparently have wee itty bitty baby hands; it might not be necessary for you if you're normal sized.
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Oops, forgot to remove that! Yea, unfortunately my hands are small-medium. I have the Aero Precision LPK in there, but I'm not sure which parts I'll actually need since I'm buying a mag release, safety, trigger group, and pins.
Thanks for all the help. It's been invaluable!
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No way I'm paying $60 for a safety. RRA has a great one for $12-15 I think is what I paid. I bought my LPK through Red Barn Armory since they let you pick and choose components. Bought my stock there and a few other things to combine shipping.
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No way I'm paying $60 for a safety. RRA has a great one for $12-15 I think is what I paid. I bought my LPK through Red Barn Armory since they let you pick and choose components. Bought my stock there and a few other things to combine shipping.
Yea... now that I think about it, I have no clue why people are paying so much for the safeties. I just saw that everyone was buying the BAD ASS lever over on Brian Enos. I did want to get a short throw safety though because the lower is marked as such.
I saw Red Barn Armory. For some reason, I thought their prices were a bit more expensive than other sites, but I'll take a look again now that I know more about the components and prices.
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The Faxon barrel is out of stock on their website, but I can get the 16" Gunner barrel in .223 Wylde from Optics Planet for around $214 with free shipping (showing as in-stock). An Aero Precision assembled upper from the AP website is $88 with shipping (best price I've seen...as it's $95 from Primary Arms).
Does anyone have any experience/opinions on Ballistic Advantage barrels? They have 16" stainless barrel in .223 Wylde (Tactical Government style) for $195. It doesn't have the nitride coating, but like the Faxon it's also 416R steel. And they are running a promo in which you get a free assembled upper with a purchase over $175 (free ground shipping).
The BA upper is $105 and since they entered into a partnership with Aero Precision in 2015, I'm thinking that the upper is made by AP. So that would be $195 for the BA combo versus the $302 for the Faxon and AP upper. Thoughts?
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Red Barn was the cheapest for the stuff I wanted at the time, might not be right now though. I didn't want to buy an LPK, I wanted specific parts. I was buying a stock and stumbled across their LPK deal. I have an Aero brranded BA 16" midlength wylde, it will shoot 1 1/2" @ 200yds with Geco .223 55gr. BA has a good reputation from what I've read. Regarding the Faxon nitrided stainless barrels, I've read that nitriding them adds durability w/o compromising accuracy. Schuyler arms has aero uppers at a good price. I've bought from them and they ship quickly.
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Monmouth has the best deals on Aero receivers that I've seen. $55 for an assembled upper.
http://www.monmouthreloading.com/product-category/ar-parts/ar15/ar15-receiver/
I've heard really good things about BA barrels, but I don't like that you're paying for a gas block that you're going to be replacing.
That said... Monmouth has an INSANE deal if you want a 16" barrel. $217 for BA 16" barrel, Toolcraft nitride BCG, and assembled Aero upper.
http://www.monmouthreloading.com/shop/ar15-upper-receiver-bcg-combo/
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Monmouth has the best deals on Aero receivers that I've seen. $55 for an assembled upper.
http://www.monmouthreloading.com/product-category/ar-parts/ar15/ar15-receiver/
I've heard really good things about BA barrels, but I don't like that you're paying for a gas block that you're going to be replacing.
That said... Monmouth has an INSANE deal if you want a 16" barrel. $217 for BA 16" barrel, Toolcraft nitride BCG, and assembled Aero upper.
http://www.monmouthreloading.com/shop/ar15-upper-receiver-bcg-combo/
That's such an insane deal that I might have to consider giving up the .223 Wylde chamber for 5.56.
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Monmouth has the best deals on Aero receivers that I've seen. $55 for an assembled upper.
http://www.monmouthreloading.com/product-category/ar-parts/ar15/ar15-receiver/
I've heard really good things about BA barrels, but I don't like that you're paying for a gas block that you're going to be replacing.
That said... Monmouth has an INSANE deal if you want a 16" barrel. $217 for BA 16" barrel, Toolcraft nitride BCG, and assembled Aero upper.
http://www.monmouthreloading.com/shop/ar15-upper-receiver-bcg-combo/
That's such an insane deal that I might have to consider giving up the .223 Wylde chamber for 5.56.
Even if you skip the barrel, the BCG + upper is a good deal (assuming you're fine with full mass). I've read nothing but good things about the Toolcraft BCGs. Maybe give them a call and see if you can substitute a Wylde barrel in?
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Schuyler has uppers for the same price, shipping is $7. All depends on whether you need something else that they have at a good price. They had a clearance sale with the best prices I've ever seen on Geissele triggers. They have uppers w/o fwd assist and std blems for $50.
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Schuyler has uppers for the same price, shipping is $7. All depends on whether you need something else that they have at a good price. They had a clearance sale with the best prices I've ever seen on Geissele triggers. They have uppers w/o fwd assist and std blems for $50.
Dang! Wish I saw that site. If I bought my lower from them, woulda saved ~20 bucks. They have so many cheap receivers.
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Chip McCormick LPKs are on sale for $25 at Primary Arms.
I'm such an enabler.
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Chip McCormick LPKs are on sale for $25 at Primary Arms.
I'm such an enabler.
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Is Chip McCormick CMC? I was wondering why it had a low rating. I'm tempted to buy, but I don't know if I have enough purchases to get free shipping.
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Is Chip McCormick CMC? I was wondering why it had a low rating. I'm tempted to buy, but I don't know if I have enough purchases to get free shipping.
Yeah, CMC is Chip McCormick. I hadn't noticed the reviews - I'm quite surprised, because their triggers are pretty well regarded.
I hear you on shipping. The Wheeler Fat Wrench was on sale last week, but I didn't have enough in my cart to make it worth it. Now they have a bore sighter on sale, but not the fat wrench. Oh well - my checking account is healthier for it.
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Is Chip McCormick CMC? I was wondering why it had a low rating. I'm tempted to buy, but I don't know if I have enough purchases to get free shipping.
Yeah, CMC is Chip McCormick. I hadn't noticed the reviews - I'm quite surprised, because their triggers are pretty well regarded.
I hear you on shipping. The Wheeler Fat Wrench was on sale last week, but I didn't have enough in my cart to make it worth it. Now they have a bore sighter on sale, but not the fat wrench. Oh well - my checking account is healthier for it.
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It's excellent marketing tactics :P Just enough to make you look for a bit more to get that free shipping! I know when I first looked they had Hiperfire triggers on sale with free LPKs. I should have taken a closer look at those.
I think Red Barn Armory is the way to go for the LPK, but they're constantly out of stock of stuff.
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It helps to keep an Excel spreadsheet of various components, along with the occasional sale prices.
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So here is my current spreadsheet. I have the stripped lower already. It's my first build. I'm trying to strike a balance between what I think I want and my budget (under $700). Went with the A2-style flash, grip, and M4 stock because they're cheap, easy to upgrade down the road, etc. I've had so many other buttstocks on this spreadsheet, but just can't seem to make up my mind. Would rather not sink a bunch of money into furniture that I end up replacing. That said, I was thinking about the Daniel Defense stock or Magpul CTR.
EDIT: Just realized I need to add $2.25 to my JBO order so it qualifies for free shipping. Maybe I'll choose one of those stocks and swap the M4 kit for a buffer tube assembly, go with a better muzzle device, or add a magazine.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4312/35341442024_7b33b33d5b_c.jpg)
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It helps to keep an Excel spreadsheet of various components, along with the occasional sale prices.
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So here is my current spreadsheet. I have the stripped lower already. It's my first build. I'm trying to strike a balance between what I think I want and my budget (under $700). Went with the A2-style flash, grip, and M4 stock because they're cheap, easy to upgrade down the road, etc. I've had so many other buttstocks on this spreadsheet, but just can't seem to make up my mind. Would rather not sink a bunch of money into furniture that I end up replacing. That said, I was thinking about the Daniel Defense stock or Magpul CTR.
EDIT: Just realized I need to add $2.25 to my JBO order so it qualifies for free shipping. Maybe I'll choose one of those stocks and swap the M4 kit for a buffer tube assembly, go with a better muzzle device, or add a magazine.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4312/35341442024_7b33b33d5b_c.jpg)
You saw the barrel deal with Monmouth right? You can get the barrel added for 100 more. It's not their 223 Wylde Premium, but if you want to cut down on costs, that's certainly an option.
I think it'll be worth spending a bit more for a grip. All the grip reviews I read, 99% of people say the A2 grip is horrid. Plus, that will put you over into free shipping at JBO. I'm probably going with Ergo Tactical Deluxe.
But like you, my first build so what do I know :P
Question for everyone else here: I'm looking into titanium comps. Are they going to be worth the extra in cost for the weight savings? Or is the 3 oz at the end of hte barrel not noticeable enough?
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You saw the barrel deal with Monmouth right? You can get the barrel added for 100 more. It's not their 223 Wylde Premium, but if you want to cut down on costs, that's certainly an option.
I think it'll be worth spending a bit more for a grip. All the grip reviews I read, 99% of people say the A2 grip is horrid. Plus, that will put you over into free shipping at JBO. I'm probably going with Ergo Tactical Deluxe.
But like you, my first build so what do I know :P
Yeah, that barrel was on my sheet at one point too. It's $110 to add it to the combo deal. But it's only $112.50 to buy it standalone using the Ballistic Advantage promo code, so I'm not losing much in savings to go with the Wylde chamber.
I hear you on the grip. I wish JBO had the Daniel Defense stuff separately, but they only have it packaged together (stock, grip, and pistol grip). Maybe an MOE grip or something can put me over the top.
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Hmm. I think you should be able to rearrange purchases to bump JBO over though.
Why get the LPK from PSA? I don't believe there's anything special about the one you've chosen. I believe only the Premium PSA LPK is an upgrade.
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I had originally chosen the PSA kit because I wanted the ALG QMS trigger. I don't want a drop in trigger because I want to learn how the mil-spec design functions. But I also don't want the gritty trigger that comes in a standard LPK. I've read that the QMS is smooth and crisp, although it still breaks at about 5.5lbs. There's also their ACT trigger which is the same design but even more enhanced...about $30 more.
I've been trying to price LPKs (w/o fire control groups) and the QMS trigger separately, but so far it comes out ahead of the PSA combo (even w/shipping). I'm going to take another stab at it though. Maybe with shipping I can figure out how to consolidate vendors and get a better grip, too.
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Building/assembling an AR can be very addicting. I have built 5 AR's before I got over the addiction.
Re trigger. Cheap way of lowering the trigger pull weight to around 4 lbs. No problem igniting Remington 7 1/2 or CCI 450/41 primers.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/579878/jp-enterprises-trigger-spring-kit-ar-15-3-1-2-lb-reduced-power (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/579878/jp-enterprises-trigger-spring-kit-ar-15-3-1-2-lb-reduced-power)
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I think Red Barn Armory is the way to go for the LPK, but they're constantly out of stock of stuff.
Thought I'd let you know I went with your advice on the grip and RBA for the LPK. I really like that I could build the kit exactly the way I wanted to, although to your point they were out of a few parts. Just placed the order and will get to assembling next week.
Red Barn Armory - Build Your Own AR15 LPK (Lower Parts Kit)
[Grip:BCM GUNFIGHTER Mod 3 BLK]
[Safety Selector:Rock River Arms Star Selector]
[Trigger:ALG Defense Quality Mil-Spec (QMS)]
[Trigger Guard:BCM Gunfighter Mod 0 BLK]
[Takedown/Pivot Pin Option:RBA Mil-Spec Pin Set (No Charge)]
I'm also still reworking my spreadsheet. Up to 4 options now, including two with the Aero M4E1 upper and handguard. I lose the sweet deal on the standard Aero upper + BCG, but when I look at similar quality handguards the expense is a wash. And the ease of installation with the enhanced upper is a big selling point for me (no timing required!).
Oh, and the budget has been creeping up between $150-200 more. ;D
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I think Red Barn Armory is the way to go for the LPK, but they're constantly out of stock of stuff.
Thought I'd let you know I went with your advice on the grip and RBA for the LPK. I really like that I could build the kit exactly the way I wanted to, although to your point they were out of a few parts. Just placed the order and will get to assembling next week.
Red Barn Armory - Build Your Own AR15 LPK (Lower Parts Kit)
[Grip:BCM GUNFIGHTER Mod 3 BLK]
[Safety Selector:Rock River Arms Star Selector]
[Trigger:ALG Defense Quality Mil-Spec (QMS)]
[Trigger Guard:BCM Gunfighter Mod 0 BLK]
[Takedown/Pivot Pin Option:RBA Mil-Spec Pin Set (No Charge)]
I'm also still reworking my spreadsheet. Up to 4 options now, including two with the Aero M4E1 upper and handguard. I lose the sweet deal on the standard Aero upper + BCG, but when I look at similar quality handguards the expense is a wash. And the ease of installation with the enhanced upper is a big selling point for me (no timing required!).
Oh, and the budget has been creeping up between $150-200 more. ;D
DId you get the email from Primary Arms? They had a 30 dollar Anderson LPK! Also a 30 dollar lower receiver. Not too much help that you've already ordered though :(
I'm tempted to pick up their optic package. 3x, mount, and flip for 230.
http://www.primaryarms.com/kit-md-ads-magnifier-flip2side
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I did see the email. I would've ended up with some extra parts (trigger and grip), but might have come out slightly ahead. The danger of extra parts lying around, I'm afraid, is that I would be tempted to keep building ARs. I hear it is quite the addiction. ;)
I saw they had the Mission First Tactical Minimalist stock for $35. I might consider that one.
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I did see the email. I would've ended up with some extra parts (trigger and grip), but might have come out slightly ahead. The danger of extra parts lying around, I'm afraid, is that I would be tempted to keep building ARs. I hear it is quite the addiction. ;)
I saw they had the Mission First Tactical Minimalist stock for $35. I might consider that one.
Ahahha. Yea. That's why I'm not buying another lower... In retrospect I don't know if the Aero Arms was worth the 70 I paid, but the Anderson lower stamp just looks so lame :(
I have my eye on the Mission First as well. 35 seems to be a pretty good deal, same price you'd pay if there were like a 20% discount or so. I just don't know if they have enough stuff on sale for me to buy enough to make shipping worth it.
Looks like their sale on the Midwest Industries Handguard is over though :( It was $150, back to $200 now.
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I think Red Barn Armory is the way to go for the LPK, but they're constantly out of stock of stuff.
Thought I'd let you know I went with your advice on the grip and RBA for the LPK. I really like that I could build the kit exactly the way I wanted to, although to your point they were out of a few parts. Just placed the order and will get to assembling next week.
Red Barn Armory - Build Your Own AR15 LPK (Lower Parts Kit)
[Grip:BCM GUNFIGHTER Mod 3 BLK]
[Safety Selector:Rock River Arms Star Selector]
[Trigger:ALG Defense Quality Mil-Spec (QMS)]
[Trigger Guard:BCM Gunfighter Mod 0 BLK]
[Takedown/Pivot Pin Option:RBA Mil-Spec Pin Set (No Charge)]
I'm also still reworking my spreadsheet. Up to 4 options now, including two with the Aero M4E1 upper and handguard. I lose the sweet deal on the standard Aero upper + BCG, but when I look at similar quality handguards the expense is a wash. And the ease of installation with the enhanced upper is a big selling point for me (no timing required!).
Oh, and the budget has been creeping up between $150-200 more. ;D
I don't recall if this was discussed earlier in this thread, but are you aware how thick the M4E1 hand guard is? I'm going to a standard upper and thinner handguard on my wife's AR and have an M4E1 w/ 15" MLOK guard I'll make you a good deal on if you're interested.
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This forum is awesome :)
Woohoo Earl Keese!
I think I'm managing to resist the optic deal, but I think I may pull the trigger on a used SJC Titan stainless comp for ~95... Any reason I shouldn't?
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SlvrDragon50 - Not sure where you're located but for me the shipping on the MFT stock from Primary Arms is only $2.89. $37.84 all in and you don't have to waste gas or pay state sale tax!
Earl Keese - I have noticed that the M4E1 handguard is a little thick. It seems that AP later came out with the Quantum handguard (no picatinny top-rail) that looks a little thinner, but you'd think with the trend toward thinner handguards that they'd make something that tapers immediately after the fixed barrel nut and is much slimmer. Not everyone wants to run a silencer inside their handguard. Since the M4E1 is compatible with BAR handguards (e.g., Seekins BAR & MCSR), I wonder if any of them are more slim?
Your deal is tempting. I was looking at the 12" actually ($165 for the upper/handguard combo at Schuyler...$10 more for the 15"). But I'm not a huge fan of 15" handguards on 16" barrels. It may look OK on a slim handguard but a fat one? I'd also think the handguard would get really dirty (along with a bi-pod if you chose to mount one).
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SlvrDragon50 - Not sure where you're located but for me the shipping on the MFT stock from Primary Arms is only $2.89. $37.84 all in and you don't have to waste gas or pay state sale tax!
Earl Keese - I have noticed that the M4E1 handguard is a little thick. It seems that AP later came out with the Quantum handguard (no picatinny top-rail) that looks a little thinner, but you'd think with the trend toward thinner handguards that they'd make something that tapers immediately after the fixed barrel nut and is much slimmer. Not everyone wants to run a silencer inside their handguard. Since the M4E1 is compatible with BAR handguards (e.g., Seekins BAR & MCSR), I wonder if any of them are more slim?
Your deal is tempting. I was looking at the 12" actually ($165 for the upper/handguard combo at Schuyler...$10 more for the 15"). But I'm not a huge fan of 15" handguards on 16" barrels. It may look OK on a slim handguard but a fat one? I'd also think the handguard would get really dirty (along with a bi-pod if you chose to mount one).
Dang! That is awesome! Unfortunately shipping starts at $7.17 for me :(
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I like how solid the M4E1 attaches, but handguard choices are limited and all are thick. Originally, I went with the 15" guard for the long sight radius with irons. No issue with the guard or bipod getting dirty on mine. Some people prefer it, thought I'd offer since you guys are looking for deals. As for tapering after the barrel nut, I've seen some monolithic uppers made that way and IMO, it's not a good look(if that matters). When i bought it, I had been reading so much about which way to go I finally just made a decision. Afterwards comes the second guessing. 😁
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I like how solid the M4E1 attaches, but handguard choices are limited and all are thick. Originally, I went with the 15" guard for the long sight radius with irons. No issue with the guard or bipod getting dirty on mine. Some people prefer it, thought I'd offer since you guys are looking for deals. As for tapering after the barrel nut, I've seen some monolithic uppers made that way and IMO, it's not a good look(if that matters). When i bought it, I had been reading so much about which way to go I finally just made a decision. Afterwards comes the second guessing. 😁
You've just said everything going through my mind, from the sturdiness of the M4E1 system to the decision making and subsequent second guessing. Still looking for deals so I would be foolish to not at least inquire what you're looking for on the set. I can add it to my spreadsheet! :)
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Just got the MFT Battlelink Stock for 32 shipped via Jet!
https://gun.deals/product/mission-first-tactical-battlelink-minimalist-stock-milspec-black-4111-decline-free-return#comments
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Just got the MFT Battlelink Stock for 32 shipped via Jet!
https://gun.deals/product/mission-first-tactical-battlelink-minimalist-stock-milspec-black-4111-decline-free-return#comments
That's great! I have never ordered from Jet.com and would be worried about receiving a knock off (you can find fake MFT Minimalist stocks on eBay for less than $20). However, the reviews are positive and seem to indicate the stocks came in retail packaging. Good deal!
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I like how solid the M4E1 attaches, but handguard choices are limited and all are thick. Originally, I went with the 15" guard for the long sight radius with irons. No issue with the guard or bipod getting dirty on mine. Some people prefer it, thought I'd offer since you guys are looking for deals. As for tapering after the barrel nut, I've seen some monolithic uppers made that way and IMO, it's not a good look(if that matters). When i bought it, I had been reading so much about which way to go I finally just made a decision. Afterwards comes the second guessing. 😁
You've just said everything going through my mind, from the sturdiness of the M4E1 system to the decision making and subsequent second guessing. Still looking for deals so I would be foolish to not at least inquire what you're looking for on the set. I can add it to my spreadsheet! :)
Sent you a PM.
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Just got the MFT Battlelink Stock for 32 shipped via Jet!
https://gun.deals/product/mission-first-tactical-battlelink-minimalist-stock-milspec-black-4111-decline-free-return#comments
That's great! I have never ordered from Jet.com and would be worried about receiving a knock off (you can find fake MFT Minimalist stocks on eBay for less than $20). However, the reviews are positive and seem to indicate the stocks came in retail packaging. Good deal!
Jet is pretty safe. All they are is a middle man company. So they make the sale, but another company will ship it. Some people were getting boxes from Primary Arms. Though I think mine is coming from another company!
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Welp. I wasn't planning on making a big purchase on AR parts yet, but Granite Ridge had a 25% off Ballistic Advantage barrels deal.
Pre-ordered the 18" .223 Wylde SPR Fluted SS Rifle Barrel for $187.50. The .750 gas block will make it easier to find an adjustable gas block, and I'm a fan of the SS fluted look. Plus, it is made of 416R SS compared to the 4150 of the other barrels in this price range. Only 28 oz with the fluting too!
http://graniteridgeoutfitters.com/Ballistic-Advantage-18-223-Wylde-SPR-Fluted-SS-Rifle-Barrel-BABL223021PL.htm
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Sent you a PM.
Sorry I've been slow to respond. I think I'm going to go with a standard upper for this build, mostly to keep my handguard options open. I wish more companies made rails for the M4E1, such a great concept.
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Welp. I wasn't planning on making a big purchase on AR parts yet, but Granite Ridge had a 25% off Ballistic Advantage barrels deal.
Pre-ordered the 18" .223 Wylde SPR Fluted SS Rifle Barrel for $187.50. The .750 gas block will make it easier to find an adjustable gas block, and I'm a fan of the SS fluted look. Plus, it is made of 416R SS compared to the 4150 of the other barrels in this price range. Only 28 oz with the fluting too!
http://graniteridgeoutfitters.com/Ballistic-Advantage-18-223-Wylde-SPR-Fluted-SS-Rifle-Barrel-BABL223021PL.htm
Nice! That is a pretty barrel in need of a handguard that'll show it off. Did I see earlier you had an SLR?
I'm about to order a buffer tube/stock kit so I'll have all my lower parts. I've been going back and forth on the barrel -- a Ballistic Advantage Hanson profile (.625 slim) or the Faxon Gunner -- both in 223 Wylde. It seems like Monmouth has the Ballistic Advantage barrels 25% off all the time, but I keep thinking the deal may end.
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Welp. I wasn't planning on making a big purchase on AR parts yet, but Granite Ridge had a 25% off Ballistic Advantage barrels deal.
Pre-ordered the 18" .223 Wylde SPR Fluted SS Rifle Barrel for $187.50. The .750 gas block will make it easier to find an adjustable gas block, and I'm a fan of the SS fluted look. Plus, it is made of 416R SS compared to the 4150 of the other barrels in this price range. Only 28 oz with the fluting too!
http://graniteridgeoutfitters.com/Ballistic-Advantage-18-223-Wylde-SPR-Fluted-SS-Rifle-Barrel-BABL223021PL.htm
Nice! That is a pretty barrel in need of a handguard that'll show it off. Did I see earlier you had an SLR?
I'm about to order a buffer tube/stock kit so I'll have all my lower parts. I've been going back and forth on the barrel -- a Ballistic Advantage Hanson profile (.625 slim) or the Faxon Gunner -- both in 223 Wylde. It seems like Monmouth has the Ballistic Advantage barrels 25% off all the time, but I keep thinking the deal may end.
I haven't bought a handguard yet. I'm leaning towards the Midwest Industries since it is lightweight and cheap, but only if I can get it for $150. If the price stays at $200, I might just get the SLR for a bit more.
Monmouth does have 25% off all the time, but their selection is tiny compared to Granite Ridge which is why I bought this one now. I think if you want to get a 16" barrel then you aren't as limited, but the 18" barrels are tough to find, especially a fluted 0.750" barrel. The Gunner is a bit lighter (5oz less) which is impressive, but the 0.625" gas block was so hard to find.
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The BA Hanson barrels come with a pinned gas block. Is there a good reason to replace it?
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The BA Hanson barrels come with a pinned gas block. Is there a good reason to replace it?
Only if you decide to go low mass BCG which I'm planning to eventually do. Therefore, I'd rather get just a barrel.
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Decided to go with a separate BCG and upper receiver so I can just get the low mass BCG I really want instead of getting a basic nitride then a low mass later.
Got this Aero Precision Slick Side upper for $50 shipped!
http://www.graniteridgeoutfitters.com/Aero-Precision-Assembled-AR15-Upper-Receiver-No-Forward-Assist-APAR610401A.htm
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Decided to go with a separate BCG and upper receiver so I can just get the low mass BCG I really want instead of getting a basic nitride then a low mass later.
Got this Aero Precision Slick Side upper for $50 shipped!
http://www.graniteridgeoutfitters.com/Aero-Precision-Assembled-AR15-Upper-Receiver-No-Forward-Assist-APAR610401A.htm
How did you get it for $50? I was looking at them last week and just now, they're listed at $59.00
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Decided to go with a separate BCG and upper receiver so I can just get the low mass BCG I really want instead of getting a basic nitride then a low mass later.
Got this Aero Precision Slick Side upper for $50 shipped!
http://www.graniteridgeoutfitters.com/Aero-Precision-Assembled-AR15-Upper-Receiver-No-Forward-Assist-APAR610401A.htm
How did you get it for $50? I was looking at them last week and just now, they're listed at $59.00
I pricematched against Right to Bear: https://www.righttobear.com/dealoftheday.asp
I told them that I could get free shipping there since I wanted to order some stuff that makes the whole cart FS, and they agreed to sell the receiver at the same price. I also bought the 18" BA barrel from them so I assume they were more flexible as well.
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Decided to go with a separate BCG and upper receiver so I can just get the low mass BCG I really want instead of getting a basic nitride then a low mass later.
Got this Aero Precision Slick Side upper for $50 shipped!
http://www.graniteridgeoutfitters.com/Aero-Precision-Assembled-AR15-Upper-Receiver-No-Forward-Assist-APAR610401A.htm
I don't blame you. Why waste money on upgrades. That's why I liked the Red Barn Armory build your own lower kit. At this point I have all my lower parts. Ordered a BCM buffet tube kit and stock from JBO. I also have a charging handle on the way from Primary Arms' latest sale -- a Strike Industries Arch Extended Latch. Just have a barrel, upper receiver, bolt, gas tube, and handguard to go.
Monmouth has an extra discount this weekend on the BA Hanson 0.625 tube (22oz weight) .223 Wylde barrel (25% off an initial 13% discount), so maybe I'll have everything but the rail by next week.
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Decided to go with a separate BCG and upper receiver so I can just get the low mass BCG I really want instead of getting a basic nitride then a low mass later.
Got this Aero Precision Slick Side upper for $50 shipped!
http://www.graniteridgeoutfitters.com/Aero-Precision-Assembled-AR15-Upper-Receiver-No-Forward-Assist-APAR610401A.htm
I don't blame you. Why waste money on upgrades. That's why I liked the Red Barn Armory build your own lower kit. At this point I have all my lower parts. Ordered a BCM buffet tube kit and stock from JBO. I also have a charging handle on the way from Primary Arms' latest sale -- a Strike Industries Arch Extended Latch. Just have a barrel, upper receiver, bolt, gas tube, and handguard to go.
Monmouth has an extra discount this weekend on the BA Hanson 0.625 tube (22oz weight) .223 Wylde barrel (25% off an initial 13% discount), so maybe I'll have everything but the rail by next week.
Check out righttobear.com They have some really great deals + free shipping if you buy certain items. They had the MFT Battle Stock + buffer tube kit for $70. Some cheap charging handles as well.
Primary Arms' has a great sale right now, but I really want to pick up the Midwest INdustries rail from them for $150, and they don't have free shipping deals :(
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So many sales it's hard to keep track. I let some good ones go, too. But they'll come around again I bet. Went with the BCM Gunfighter stock and tube even though I initially had my sights set on the MFT. Was just 10% off JBO's normal price. Decided I wanted to still go light but wanted a fuller look. Almost got the SOPMOD with the wider comb.
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Decided to go with a separate BCG and upper receiver so I can just get the low mass BCG I really want instead of getting a basic nitride then a low mass later.
Got this Aero Precision Slick Side upper for $50 shipped!
http://www.graniteridgeoutfitters.com/Aero-Precision-Assembled-AR15-Upper-Receiver-No-Forward-Assist-APAR610401A.htm
How did you get it for $50? I was looking at them last week and just now, they're listed at $59.00
I pricematched against Right to Bear: https://www.righttobear.com/dealoftheday.asp
I told them that I could get free shipping there since I wanted to order some stuff that makes the whole cart FS, and they agreed to sell the receiver at the same price. I also bought the 18" BA barrel from them so I assume they were more flexible as well.
Gotcha, thanks.
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So many sales it's hard to keep track. I let some good ones go, too. But they'll come around again I bet. Went with the BCM Gunfighter stock and tube even though I initially had my sights set on the MFT. Was just 10% off JBO's normal price. Decided I wanted to still go light but wanted a fuller look. Almost got the SOPMOD with the wider comb.
I'm waiting for Primary Arms to bring back their Hiperfire deal. I regret missing the eBay 20% off deal otherwise Iw oulda bought the HIperfire trigger off of eBay for like 200 bucks! But as you said, the sales will come back around. Plus, I'm setting aside money for a P07 or P01 purchase too.
Have you bought sights yet?
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I've not bought sights yet. May just end up with Magpul MBUS, adding a red dot later.
In spite of as many sales as there are, depending on the starting price, discounts, and shipping it feels like everything is the same. I'm pricing out a muzzle device -- VG6 Epsilon. Optics Planet has free shipping and a 5% promo -- $55.09. Monmouth has a $20 off promo and about $5 shipping -- $55.08.
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I've not bought sights yet. May just end up with Magpul MBUS, adding a red dot later.
In spite of as many sales as there are, depending on the starting price, discounts, and shipping it feels like everything is the same. I'm pricing out a muzzle device -- VG6 Epsilon. Optics Planet has free shipping and a 5% promo -- $55.09. Monmouth has a $20 off promo and about $5 shipping -- $55.08.
Granite Ridge has additional 15% off VG6 muzzle devices with free shipping on all orders, no minimum.
http://www.graniteridgeoutfitters.com/VG6-Precision-Muzzle-Devices-Additional-15-OFF_c66.htm
Their Epsilon is a bit more expensive, but they might have other options if you're interested in the Gamma or SS versions.
I agree though, most prices are quite similar across the board. It makes researching prices that much more time consuming hah. I didn't get the Strike Industries Charging Handle because after shipping it'd be the same as JBO.
I think I am done purchasing for now unless a sale on the Hiperfire ECLipse shows up. I need to just wait for the holiday sales from JBO or Red Barn Armory.
(http://i.imgur.com/7rUnX37.png)
This is my build progress so far. Green is ordered. The yellow are LPK. SO far, I haven't saved any money on my purchases ::)
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One my AR project I did years ago.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7313/13135461974_091da18545_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/m1JFdj)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3770/13135609134_a6aa27d517_m.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/m1KqXy) (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7330/13135312695_9e265ec53d_m.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/m1HUQx) (https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3772/13135438193_4dd8b7aa3c_m.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/m1Jy9i) (https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3819/13135458973_2c22c892e4_m.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/m1JEjz)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7452/13135606844_e904d4502f_m.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/m1Kqh5) (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7443/13135341635_0db41e1c45_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/m1J4rv)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3667/13135472193_c3de02d072_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/m1JJfv)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4432/36322574136_f31605a48b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XkGFQd)
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(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7316/13135366993_c5ca62bf9a.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/m1JbYH)
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(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4361/35558941113_ba8bf05716_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WbdSkB)
The assembled AR
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One my AR project I did years ago.
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The assembled AR
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/390/19189193036_b088427869_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/veFCxN)
Great photos! Was the upper assembled or stripped? I debated that one but the cost of assembled vs stripped was negligible.
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Those pictures look awesome!
AIM TiN BCGs are on sale right now 10% off.. Not much but from what I can see, they rarely have sales. I've been spending way more than I planned on spending this month. :-\
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I've not bought sights yet. May just end up with Magpul MBUS, adding a red dot later.
In spite of as many sales as there are, depending on the starting price, discounts, and shipping it feels like everything is the same. I'm pricing out a muzzle device -- VG6 Epsilon. Optics Planet has free shipping and a 5% promo -- $55.09. Monmouth has a $20 off promo and about $5 shipping -- $55.08.
Granite Ridge has additional 15% off VG6 muzzle devices with free shipping on all orders, no minimum.
http://www.graniteridgeoutfitters.com/VG6-Precision-Muzzle-Devices-Additional-15-OFF_c66.htm
Their Epsilon is a bit more expensive, but they might have other options if you're interested in the Gamma or SS versions.
I agree though, most prices are quite similar across the board. It makes researching prices that much more time consuming hah. I didn't get the Strike Industries Charging Handle because after shipping it'd be the same as JBO.
I think I am done purchasing for now unless a sale on the Hiperfire ECLipse shows up. I need to just wait for the holiday sales from JBO or Red Barn Armory.
(http://i.imgur.com/7rUnX37.png)
This is my build progress so far. Green is ordered. The yellow are LPK. SO far, I haven't saved any money on my purchases ::)
I am almost done purchasing...except for the tools. Getting everything I need to actually complete the project will be another spreadsheet and a few more weeks! I'll probably order the handguard tomorrow (and the muzzle device as soon as I decide on one). The sights can wait longer.
Primary Arms shipping isn't bad for me (TX to GA). Here's my spreadsheet. The sale prices are baked in. I should spike out the savings vs MSRP.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4398/36370304686_57f7f8d0cd_c.jpg)
I need to keep an eye out for those holiday sales. I joked with a friend that I'll need to build 10 more ARs to make up for the cost of the tools (blocks, roll pin punches/starter punches, hammer, barrel spline socket rod, etc.). I'd like to build a 300 AAC, an AR-10 in 6.5 CM, and then each of my 4 kids needs their own AR. Heck, I'll even build one for my wife even though she doesn't want one. :D
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Oh, I was just going to get some vise blocks and an armorer's wrench! The muzzle device was really hard to decide for me. I know the SJC Titan is widely accepted as the best, but I'm a little worried about the noise from shooting it.
Unfortunately shipping to Illinois from Texas is about 8 dollars! I'm hoping for a 20-25% off coupon to JBO and maybe something similar from RBA.
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Only one per kid? I figured mine needed a 20" and a 16".
Most everyone likes the carbines best but both of mine shoot their 20" rifles more often than their 16" carbines.
That is one of the neat things about the AR's. You can just about build anything you want. And then change it later. Or build another one.
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I've not bought sights yet. May just end up with Magpul MBUS, adding a red dot later.
In spite of as many sales as there are, depending on the starting price, discounts, and shipping it feels like everything is the same. I'm pricing out a muzzle device -- VG6 Epsilon. Optics Planet has free shipping and a 5% promo -- $55.09. Monmouth has a $20 off promo and about $5 shipping -- $55.08.
Granite Ridge has additional 15% off VG6 muzzle devices with free shipping on all orders, no minimum.
http://www.graniteridgeoutfitters.com/VG6-Precision-Muzzle-Devices-Additional-15-OFF_c66.htm
Their Epsilon is a bit more expensive, but they might have other options if you're interested in the Gamma or SS versions.
I agree though, most prices are quite similar across the board. It makes researching prices that much more time consuming hah. I didn't get the Strike Industries Charging Handle because after shipping it'd be the same as JBO.
I think I am done purchasing for now unless a sale on the Hiperfire ECLipse shows up. I need to just wait for the holiday sales from JBO or Red Barn Armory.
(http://i.imgur.com/7rUnX37.png)
This is my build progress so far. Green is ordered. The yellow are LPK. SO far, I haven't saved any money on my purchases ::)
I am almost done purchasing...except for the tools. Getting everything I need to actually complete the project will be another spreadsheet and a few more weeks! I'll probably order the handguard tomorrow (and the muzzle device as soon as I decide on one). The sights can wait longer.
Primary Arms shipping isn't bad for me (TX to GA). Here's my spreadsheet. The sale prices are baked in. I should spike out the savings vs MSRP.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4398/36370304686_57f7f8d0cd_c.jpg)
I need to keep an eye out for those holiday sales. I joked with a friend that I'll need to build 10 more ARs to make up for the cost of the tools (blocks, roll pin punches/starter punches, hammer, barrel spline socket rod, etc.). I'd like to build a 300 AAC, an AR-10 in 6.5 CM, and then each of my 4 kids needs their own AR. Heck, I'll even build one for my wife even though she doesn't want one. :D
Don't forget a 6.5 Grendel. 😈
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Oh, I was just going to get some vise blocks and an armorer's wrench! The muzzle device was really hard to decide for me. I know the SJC Titan is widely accepted as the best, but I'm a little worried about the noise from shooting it.
Unfortunately shipping to Illinois from Texas is about 8 dollars! I'm hoping for a 20-25% off coupon to JBO and maybe something similar from RBA.
I bought a Wheeler Delta receiver block for $30 so that I could have something firm to hold the lower when punching in the pins. I was going to go with a vise block, too, but then I watched Bill Geissele's YouTube videos on the ALG EMR rails. He not only sold me on the EMR V2 handguard, he convinced me that it was better to put the torque on a steel barrel than an aluminum receiver. I've also read horror stories of people ruining their receivers, but then again I'm sure they were also doing something wrong, too. That said, I would probably buy the knock-off reaction rod from Botach and save $40.
I am in the same boat as you on muzzle devices. I had been leaning toward the VG6 Gamma or Epsilon because of the price for performance, as well as the looks (excellent machining, available in matte stainless). But the more I read about comps the more I am concerned about the noise and concussion. I also don't want to spend $100 and regret it after one trip to the range. Right now I'm leaning toward more of a flash suppressor like the YHM Phantom ($25.50 on sale at Primary Arms), or the Strike Industries J-Comp V2 (so that if I totally hate the noise at least I'm only out $30).
M1A4ME and Earl Keese - I am glad that I can count on my fellow forum members to enable my addict..er, I mean hobbies! :)
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Oh, I was just going to get some vise blocks and an armorer's wrench! The muzzle device was really hard to decide for me. I know the SJC Titan is widely accepted as the best, but I'm a little worried about the noise from shooting it.
Unfortunately shipping to Illinois from Texas is about 8 dollars! I'm hoping for a 20-25% off coupon to JBO and maybe something similar from RBA.
I bought a Wheeler Delta receiver block for $30 so that I could have something firm to hold the lower when punching in the pins. I was going to go with a vise block, too, but then I watched Bill Geissele's YouTube videos on the ALG EMR rails. He not only sold me on the EMR V2 handguard, he convinced me that it was better to put the torque on a steel barrel than an aluminum receiver. I've also read horror stories of people ruining their receivers, but then again I'm sure they were also doing something wrong, too. That said, I would probably buy the knock-off reaction rod from Botach and save $40.
I am in the same boat as you on muzzle devices. I had been leaning toward the VG6 Gamma or Epsilon because of the price for performance, as well as the looks (excellent machining, available in matte stainless). But the more I read about comps the more I am concerned about the noise and concussion. I also don't want to spend $100 and regret it after one trip to the range. Right now I'm leaning toward more of a flash suppressor like the YHM Phantom ($25.50 on sale at Primary Arms), or the Strike Industries J-Comp V2 (so that if I totally hate the noise at least I'm only out $30).
M1A4ME and Earl Keese - I am glad that I can count on my fellow forum members to enable my addict..er, I mean hobbies! :)
I would highly recommend using a reaction rod for your builds, whatever brand you get. I got lucky that Geisele had a great sale a while back when you purchased a hand guard you got their reaction rod free. Before that I used the Magpul BEV block which I feel is better than a vise block, but the reaction rod is better yet. It also makes other parts of the assembly easier by allowing quick adjustment of the receiver to get better access to some of areas that need assembly......if that makes any sense.
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Dang. This is getting more expensive by the second haha. I'll look into those rods then.
I've been thinking about getting a linear comp to use since I may end up shooting the rifle at an indoor range which is gonna suck with the Titan. Plus, it'll put less wear on the comp!
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AR's with comps/brakes really shouldn't be allowed at indoor ranges. I may catch heat for this opinion, but to me using them for punching paper indoors is the height of rudeness. On the subject of tools, have you guys considered loaning each other tools so you don't have to buy everything up front?
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Great photos! Was the upper assembled or stripped? I debated that one but the cost of assembled vs stripped was negligible.
The upper was stripped. I assembled everything from scratch. Thank you.
Those pictures look awesome!
Thank you.
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AR's with comps/brakes really shouldn't be allowed at indoor ranges. I may catch heat for this opinion, but to me using them for punching paper indoors is the height of rudeness. On the subject of tools, have you guys considered loaning each other tools so you don't have to buy everything up front?
To be honest... I agree with you. Unfortunately I don't have any outdoor ranges here that I can shoot at. The outdoor range I shoot pistol at only allows pistol and shotgun.
I do shoot at the police range which is outsoors, but that's only twice a month.
I don't mind paying for the tools as I expect to constantly be using them. Especially since I'm going with a competition level rifle where I expect malfunctions to happen and need tuning.
What tools are needed other than the block and armorers wrench? And a torque wrench.
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I was thinking things that only get used when you assemble like the reaction rod, head space gauges, receiver lapping tools, things like that.
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Dang. This is getting more expensive by the second haha. I'll look into those rods then.
I've been thinking about getting a linear comp to use since I may end up shooting the rifle at an indoor range which is gonna suck with the Titan. Plus, it'll put less wear on the comp!
I'd be more than willing to send you the reaction rod to borrow.
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Yeah, I used a Magul Bev Block, which works just fine, but in retrospect I'd rather have the reaction rod.
I will say the Magpul armorers tool is awesome, though.
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Hah, I saw the Magpul's Armorer's Wrench, and I'm pretty confused why it costs so much to be honest. I don't quite get what it offers over other armorer's wrenches. I may just end up buying Botach's reaction rod since it's only ~$40. I imagine shipping it back and forth costs $20 alone.
The Magpul BEV block looks interesting, but it seems a wee bit wobbly in the videos I saw? Though I do like how it locks the receiver in place forward/backwards.
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I was thinking things that only get used when you assemble like the reaction rod, head space gauges, receiver lapping tools, things like that.
Question about the head space gauges. I've read on a popular AR forum that some don't check head space when using "reputable" or "high quality" parts that are presumed to be in spec. Sounds potentially dangerous but I wondered if it was common practice. I can see why one might skip it given that a set of 5.56 go/no-go/field gauges are $100. .223 gauges would work though, right? Dimensionally the cartridges are the same.
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I was thinking things that only get used when you assemble like the reaction rod, head space gauges, receiver lapping tools, things like that.
Question about the head space gauges. I've read on a popular AR forum that some don't check head space when using "reputable" or "high quality" parts that are presumed to be in spec. Sounds potentially dangerous but I wondered if it was common practice. I can see why one might skip it given that a set of 5.56 go/no-go/field gauges are $100. .223 gauges would work though, right? Dimensionally the cartridges are the same.
Stumbled across this site tonight while looking for 6.5 Grendel gauges.
https://www.reamerrentals.com/SearchResults.asp?searching=Y&sort=13&cat=35&show=10&page=2
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I was thinking things that only get used when you assemble like the reaction rod, head space gauges, receiver lapping tools, things like that.
Question about the head space gauges. I've read on a popular AR forum that some don't check head space when using "reputable" or "high quality" parts that are presumed to be in spec. Sounds potentially dangerous but I wondered if it was common practice. I can see why one might skip it given that a set of 5.56 go/no-go/field gauges are $100. .223 gauges would work though, right? Dimensionally the cartridges are the same.
Stumbled across this site tonight while looking for 6.5 Grendel gauges.
https://www.reamerrentals.com/SearchResults.asp?searching=Y&sort=13&cat=35&show=10&page=2
For a first time build a $7 rental for go and no-go sure beats $33 a gauge! It also has a much higher wife acceptance factor (WAF)!
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Question about the head space gauges. I've read on a popular AR forum that some don't check head space when using "reputable" or "high quality" parts that are presumed to be in spec. Sounds potentially dangerous but I wondered if it was common practice. I can see why one might skip it given that a set of 5.56 go/no-go/field gauges are $100. .223 gauges would work though, right? Dimensionally the cartridges are the same.
I have built 3 uppers without using a head space gauge. No problem with those 3.
Yes, the dimension of 223 and 5.56 are the same. The same reloading dies for 223 and 5.56.
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I was thinking things that only get used when you assemble like the reaction rod, head space gauges, receiver lapping tools, things like that.
Question about the head space gauges. I've read on a popular AR forum that some don't check head space when using "reputable" or "high quality" parts that are presumed to be in spec. Sounds potentially dangerous but I wondered if it was common practice. I can see why one might skip it given that a set of 5.56 go/no-go/field gauges are $100. .223 gauges would work though, right? Dimensionally the cartridges are the same.
Stumbled across this site tonight while looking for 6.5 Grendel gauges.
https://www.reamerrentals.com/SearchResults.asp?searching=Y&sort=13&cat=35&show=10&page=2
For a first time build a $7 rental for go and no-go sure beats $33 a gauge! It also has a much higher wife acceptance factor (WAF)!
For piece of mind and intact appendages, it's a no brainer. I would have bought the gauges and sold them later if need be, rather not take chances.
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Hah, I saw the Magpul's Armorer's Wrench, and I'm pretty confused why it costs so much to be honest. I don't quite get what it offers over other armorer's wrenches. I may just end up buying Botach's reaction rod since it's only ~$40. I imagine shipping it back and forth costs $20 alone.
The Magpul BEV block looks interesting, but it seems a wee bit wobbly in the videos I saw? Though I do like how it locks the receiver in place forward/backwards.
I got the Magpul wrench for $55, so it wasn't that much more than a lot of its conpetitors. I've read enough reviews of wrenches breaking that I figured it was worth it to spend extra on a good tool, especially at that price. Which makes me even more irritated at myself for not getting the reaction rod when it was 30% off.
Anyway, I meant to ask earlier - is there any particular reason you want the low mass carrier? They seem pretty pricey to me, especially since you can get NiB or Nickel Teflon for the same price.
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Re: Head space.
The other option is to buy a barrel with a matching bolt.
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Re: Head space.
The other option is to buy a barrel with a matching bolt.
This is true, but I think both of these guys have already bought barrels. For me, the barrel profile I wanted didn't allow this option.
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Re: Head space.
The other option is to buy a barrel with a matching bolt.
This is true, but I think both of these guys have already bought barrels. For me, the barrel profile I wanted didn't allow this option.
Yes, I did pick up the barrel already. I think Ballistic Advantage may sell matched BCGs from their website but I got mine from Monmouth...along with an Aero upper and Toolcraft BCG (I just couldn't pass up the combo deal).
I have all needed parts delivered or ordered except for sights. And since some retail ARs come without iron sights, I can say I spent just under $700 on parts for what I hope is a pretty sweet rifle. :D
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Hah, I saw the Magpul's Armorer's Wrench, and I'm pretty confused why it costs so much to be honest. I don't quite get what it offers over other armorer's wrenches. I may just end up buying Botach's reaction rod since it's only ~$40. I imagine shipping it back and forth costs $20 alone.
The Magpul BEV block looks interesting, but it seems a wee bit wobbly in the videos I saw? Though I do like how it locks the receiver in place forward/backwards.
I got the Magpul wrench for $55, so it wasn't that much more than a lot of its conpetitors. I've read enough reviews of wrenches breaking that I figured it was worth it to spend extra on a good tool, especially at that price. Which makes me even more irritated at myself for not getting the reaction rod when it was 30% off.
Anyway, I meant to ask earlier - is there any particular reason you want the low mass carrier? They seem pretty pricey to me, especially since you can get NiB or Nickel Teflon for the same price.
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I'm going with a low mass carrier to go for a soft shooting setup since I'm getting an adjustable gas block anyways. I'm plannin on getting an AIM Surplus low mass carrier which costs about the same as other BCGs from larger companies. The TiN version is 140 without a sale or 110 for the nitride version.
https://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XAIMBCGTiN3LW&name=Light+Weight+AIM+AR+.223%2f5.56+Titanium+Nitride+9310+MPI+Bolt+Carrier+Group&groupid=723
Is a barrel vise needed to attach the muzzle device? I'm reading that the reaction rod isn't the correct tool. I may just end up getting the Magpul armorer's wrench though I'm a little surprised to hear of them breaking.
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Nice. I can't wait for your range report.
I meant other wrenches breaking - NC Star, UTG, etc. It's rare, and extremely unlikely for my forst build, but with the Magpul on sale at the time, I figured it was worth the extra piece of mind.
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Oops, yes. Poor wording on my part. I'm surprised other wrenches are breaking. They seem pretty simple to me, so I'm amazed they cost so much.
Unfortunately you won't be hearing a range report for at least 3 months :P Won't have a lower until then. Honestly, I could have shipped it here in Illinois, but I'm in no rush to build the AR. Plus, all the FFLs here charge an insane transfer fee.
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Hah, I saw the Magpul's Armorer's Wrench, and I'm pretty confused why it costs so much to be honest. I don't quite get what it offers over other armorer's wrenches. I may just end up buying Botach's reaction rod since it's only ~$40. I imagine shipping it back and forth costs $20 alone.
The Magpul BEV block looks interesting, but it seems a wee bit wobbly in the videos I saw? Though I do like how it locks the receiver in place forward/backwards.
I got the Magpul wrench for $55, so it wasn't that much more than a lot of its conpetitors. I've read enough reviews of wrenches breaking that I figured it was worth it to spend extra on a good tool, especially at that price. Which makes me even more irritated at myself for not getting the reaction rod when it was 30% off.
Anyway, I meant to ask earlier - is there any particular reason you want the low mass carrier? They seem pretty pricey to me, especially since you can get NiB or Nickel Teflon for the same price.
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I'm going with a low mass carrier to go for a soft shooting setup since I'm getting an adjustable gas block anyways. I'm plannin on getting an AIM Surplus low mass carrier which costs about the same as other BCGs from larger companies. The TiN version is 140 without a sale or 110 for the nitride version.
https://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XAIMBCGTiN3LW&name=Light+Weight+AIM+AR+.223%2f5.56+Titanium+Nitride+9310+MPI+Bolt+Carrier+Group&groupid=723
Is a barrel vise needed to attach the muzzle device? I'm reading that the reaction rod isn't the correct tool. I may just end up getting the Magpul armorer's wrench though I'm a little surprised to hear of them breaking.
I read the same thing about barrel blocks. You could make one with two wooden blocks, a router, and an old bike tube.
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+ on improvised barrel vise for torquing a muzzle devise.
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I have used the reaction rod for all my muzzle devices and never had a problem. I don't buy the argument that a few are touting about spinning off the barrel extension.
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I bought a barrel vise (don't remember where I bought it, but it's this one).
https://www.amazon.com/Wheeler-672286-Universal-Barrel-Clamp/dp/B00RPAE8J2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1502241283&sr=8-2&keywords=barrel+vise
Three different barrel diameters. Worked to remove the flash suppressor on my DPMS GII that had been "glued" to the barrel with rocksett.
Just find the closet diameter that will tightly hold the barrel and then clamp the blocks in a bench vise and go to work.
Also used it to change barrel nuts for the new free float tube.
Not saying it's the best, just that it worked for me.
edited to add a link to the barrel vise, forgot to do that in the original reply.
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I'm kinda wishing I went with a black SJC titan instead of a stainless titan now that I see those pics Elcid.
I'm just surprised at how much some of these AR15 tools cost. They're so simple, but they charge exorbitant amounts for them! The barrel vises are so incredibly simple yet they want $70-100 for them??
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I'm kinda wishing I went with a black SJC titan instead of a stainless titan now that I see those pics Elcid.
I'm just surprised at how much some of these AR15 tools cost. They're so simple, but they charge exorbitant amounts for them! The barrel vises are so incredibly simple yet they want $70-100 for them??
Seems like it could be an issue of demand. Specialty tools are sometimes more expensive, even if they are simple. But yeah, I'm with ya. They're still a bit overpriced.
Geissele Reaction Rod - $99
Kley-Zion Barrel Spline Socket Rod - $59.95
Magpul BEV Block - $49.95 (usually a few bucks off most places)
I might go with the BEV Block because I have $20 in Walmart Savings Catcher credits. I can get it from their online marketplace for $26 net. And then maybe I'll pick up one of the rods on a holiday sale.
Regarding the BEV, I bet someone could figure out how to 3D print it.
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Dang! The Hiperfire 24C is on sale for 180 from Primary Arms.. guess I'm making that purchase now!
You could 3D Print the BEV block, but it has the steel barrel engagements which makes it unique. I think I will be going with the BEV as well.
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Dang! The Hiperfire 24C is on sale for 180 from Primary Arms.. guess I'm making that purchase now!
You could 3D Print the BEV block, but it has the steel barrel engagements which makes it unique. I think I will be going with the BEV as well.
Nice! They also have a complete Seekins upper for $330 very similar to my build.
? 16? 41V50 chrome moly vanadium .223 Wylde barrel, mid-length gas system with a 1:8 twist rate, and nitride finished.
? Features Seekins? 3-prong flash hider.
? This smooth shooting upper is fed by a Melonited gas tube and easily tunable thanks to the Seekins Precision Adjustable Low Profile Gas Block.
? 12? free float MCSR M-LOK rail, for mounting all your favorite accessories.
? Includes standard OEM M16 cut bolt carrier group and charging handle.
So I'm paying about $110 more for my upper (not including tools). I've heard people say build the lower, buy the upper. But while I have a budget I didn't do this for the sole purpose of saving money.
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Dang! The Hiperfire 24C is on sale for 180 from Primary Arms.. guess I'm making that purchase now!
You could 3D Print the BEV block, but it has the steel barrel engagements which makes it unique. I think I will be going with the BEV as well.
Nice! They also have a complete Seekins upper for $330 very similar to my build.
? 16? 41V50 chrome moly vanadium .223 Wylde barrel, mid-length gas system with a 1:8 twist rate, and nitride finished.
? Features Seekins? 3-prong flash hider.
? This smooth shooting upper is fed by a Melonited gas tube and easily tunable thanks to the Seekins Precision Adjustable Low Profile Gas Block.
? 12? free float MCSR M-LOK rail, for mounting all your favorite accessories.
? Includes standard OEM M16 cut bolt carrier group and charging handle.
So I'm paying about $110 more for my upper (not including tools). I've heard people say build the lower, buy the upper. But while I have a budget I didn't do this for the sole purpose of saving money.
I initially did a build to save money and actually ended up paying triple in the end. Picking out each part had me upgrading everything. I'm glad I did it for the educational aspect, but I just buy proven weapons from quality manufacturers now.
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Yea. I just discovered Lanbo's Armory has waaaaaay lower prices on stuff than Primary Arms except for big sales like the Hiperfire Trigger. You just have to add to cart to get the discount. 10 dollar flat rate shipping too.
Magpul Armorer's Wrench for $59.53
Magpul BEV Block for $37.20
I don't think you will save money by building your own gun, but you will get the exact parts that you want in the build rather than eventually replacing things. For me, an 18" length rifle that comes with everything I want is near impossible to find. Also shipping on just a trigger group is waaaay cheaper than buying parts. First class shipping, only $2.86!
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Geissele stuff goes on sale all the time, whether on PA or directly through Geissele. Don't pay full price if you can wait a few months.
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I bought a barrel vise (don't remember where I bought it, but it's this one).
Three different barrel diameters. Worked to remove the flash suppressor on my DPMS GII that had been "glued" to the barrel with rocksett.
Just find the closet diameter that will tightly hold the barrel and then clamp the blocks in a bench vise and go to work.
Also used it to change barrel nuts for the new free float tube.
Not saying it's the best, just that it worked for me.
I think you can also use this to install the barrel to the receiver instead of using a reaction rod or a Magpul BEV Block. Savage rifle shooters use this method in installing their barrel.
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I don't plan on buying another Geissele products (no reason, just didn't really catch my attention on anything).
I'm starting to have pretty much everything finalized now. Question, do I still need to buy an LPK if I buy all the components of the LPK? I want to make sure the LPK doesn't come with pins or springs that won't be included in other kits.
Parts:
Hiperfire 24C Trigger
BAD EMMR Mag Release
Armaspec Safety Selector
Some trigger guard
Ergo Tactical Deluxe grip
Phase 5 Extended Bolt Release V2
BAD Takedown/pivot pins
I can't see anything else in LPKs that I would need.
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Yea. I just discovered Lanbo's Armory has waaaaaay lower prices on stuff than Primary Arms except for big sales like the Hiperfire Trigger. You just have to add to cart to get the discount. 10 dollar flat rate shipping too.
Magpul Armorer's Wrench for $59.53
Magpul BEV Block for $37.20
I don't think you will save money by building your own gun, but you will get the exact parts that you want in the build rather than eventually replacing things. For me, an 18" length rifle that comes with everything I want is near impossible to find. Also shipping on just a trigger group is waaaay cheaper than buying parts. First class shipping, only $2.86!
I started to price some things on Lanbo's to see how much I could have saved. Maybe a few bucks here or there, but I only made it three parts in before quitting. Their website is horrendous. It feels like it hasn't been updated since 1998. Maybe that's why they have so many good deals!
One thing I'll say about Primary Arms (beyond having a user friendly website), is that every order I placed shipped the same day and arrived 2-3 days later. Similar experience with Joe Bob Outfitters and Red Barn Armory. ALG and Monmouth took an extra day or two to process the orders. Still waiting on those shipments.
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Yea. I just discovered Lanbo's Armory has waaaaaay lower prices on stuff than Primary Arms except for big sales like the Hiperfire Trigger. You just have to add to cart to get the discount. 10 dollar flat rate shipping too.
Magpul Armorer's Wrench for $59.53
Magpul BEV Block for $37.20
I don't think you will save money by building your own gun, but you will get the exact parts that you want in the build rather than eventually replacing things. For me, an 18" length rifle that comes with everything I want is near impossible to find. Also shipping on just a trigger group is waaaay cheaper than buying parts. First class shipping, only $2.86!
I started to price some things on Lanbo's to see how much I could have saved. Maybe a few bucks here or there, but I only made it three parts in before quitting. Their website is horrendous. It feels like it hasn't been updated since 1998. Maybe that's why they have so many good deals!
One thing I'll say about Primary Arms (beyond having a user friendly website), is that every order I placed shipped the same day and arrived 2-3 days later. Similar experience with Joe Bob Outfitters and Red Barn Armory. ALG and Monmouth took an extra day or two to process the orders. Still waiting on those shipments.
The website is definitely horrendous, but I think I'll save close to 100 dollars by going with Lanbo's. Luckily... I can use Primary Arms to find parts hah.
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I don't plan on buying another Geissele products (no reason, just didn't really catch my attention on anything).
I'm starting to have pretty much everything finalized now. Question, do I still need to buy an LPK if I buy all the components of the LPK? I want to make sure the LPK doesn't come with pins or springs that won't be included in other kits.
Parts:
Hiperfire 24C Trigger
BAD EMMR Mag Release
Armaspec Safety Selector
Some trigger guard
Ergo Tactical Deluxe grip
Phase 5 Extended Bolt Release V2
BAD Takedown/pivot pins
I can't see anything else in LPKs that I would need.
Didn't see a response to this, but I'm sure you've seen a list like below. I guess it depends on if the parts you've got are just enhanced levers/buttons, or if they come with the roll pins and springs, too.
Bolt Catch
Bolt Catch Plunger
Bolt Catch Roll Pin
Bolt Catch Spring
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Buffer Retainer
Buffer Retainer Spring
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Disconnector
Disconnector Spring
--
Hammer
Hammer Pin
Hammer Spring
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Magazine Catch
Magazine Catch Button
Magazine Catch Spring
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Pistol Grip
Pistol Grip Lock Washer
Pistol Grip Screw
--
Pivot Pin
Pivot Pin Detent
Pivot Pin Detent Spring
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Selector
Selector Detent
Selector Detent Spring
--
Takedown Pin
Takedown Pin Detent
Takedown Pin Detent Spring
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Trigger
Trigger Guard
Trigger Guard Roll Pin
Trigger Pin
Trigger Spring
I was looking for a handguard that was light and slim, which eventually led me to the ALG products (Bill Geissele's wife's company/product line). For the quality and engineering they just seemed like a very good deal. But once I found out that they take pride even in their blemishes, I decided to buy one for 50% off. Got a 13" handguard and the install wrench for $82.50 shipped.
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It didn't take me long to find the blemish (bottom of the rail toward the rear), but I am totally OK with it given the price I paid. I'm sure I'll do worse after a few trips to the range!
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I don't plan on buying another Geissele products (no reason, just didn't really catch my attention on anything).
I'm starting to have pretty much everything finalized now. Question, do I still need to buy an LPK if I buy all the components of the LPK? I want to make sure the LPK doesn't come with pins or springs that won't be included in other kits.
Parts:
Hiperfire 24C Trigger
BAD EMMR Mag Release
Armaspec Safety Selector
Some trigger guard
Ergo Tactical Deluxe grip
Phase 5 Extended Bolt Release V2
BAD Takedown/pivot pins
I can't see anything else in LPKs that I would need.
Didn't see a response to this, but I'm sure you've seen a list like below. I guess it depends on if the parts you've got are just enhanced levers/buttons, or if they come with the roll pins and springs, too.
Bolt Catch
Bolt Catch Plunger
Bolt Catch Roll Pin
Bolt Catch Spring
--
Buffer Retainer
Buffer Retainer Spring
--
Disconnector
Disconnector Spring
--
Hammer
Hammer Pin
Hammer Spring
--
Magazine Catch
Magazine Catch Button
Magazine Catch Spring
--
Pistol Grip
Pistol Grip Lock Washer
Pistol Grip Screw
--
Pivot Pin
Pivot Pin Detent
Pivot Pin Detent Spring
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Selector
Selector Detent
Selector Detent Spring
--
Takedown Pin
Takedown Pin Detent
Takedown Pin Detent Spring
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Trigger
Trigger Guard
Trigger Guard Roll Pin
Trigger Pin
Trigger Spring
I was looking for a handguard that was light and slim, which eventually led me to the ALG products (Bill Geissele's wife's company/product line). For the quality and engineering they just seemed like a very good deal. But once I found out that they take pride even in their blemishes, I decided to buy one for 50% off. Got a 13" handguard and the install wrench for $82.50 shipped.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4414/36323326272_e0536b4355_b.jpg)
It didn't take me long to find the blemish (bottom of the rail toward the rear), but I am totally OK with it given the price I paid. I'm sure I'll do worse after a few trips to the range!
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I bought a 15" EMR V1 for my 20"Grendel build, lightweight and smooth, perfect for a hunting rifle. My wife picked it up and immediately said she wanted it for her Carbine so I ordered a 13" for hers. The desert dirt anodize matches her Hogue Ghillie Earth stock and grip perfectly. For the money(on sale), I haven't found anything lighter.
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Got my upper in!
The dust cover doesn't look the greatest, and there's a couple marks, but it'll be a lot worse after use anyways.
I ended up buying an LPK from Midway USA for $20 on sale, an AR Stoner kit. Picked up a case feeding lip I wanted for my Hornady LnL at the same time. A spring and pin kit would have been $10, and I would need a magazine catch still.
I saw the ALG, but I did not see the blems. 82.50 is pretty impressive for the V2. Though I'm really shooting for lightweight, and the MI Handguard shaves 4-5 oz. And if I can get it on sale at $150, I think it's a pretty good deal! If I see a SLR Helix for $200 I think I'll get that too.
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Got my upper in!
The dust cover doesn't look the greatest, and there's a couple marks, but it'll be a lot worse after use anyways.
I ended up buying an LPK from Midway USA for $20 on sale, an AR Stoner kit. Picked up a case feeding lip I wanted for my Hornady LnL at the same time. A spring and pin kit would have been $10, and I would need a magazine catch still.
I saw the ALG, but I did not see the blems. 82.50 is pretty impressive for the V2. Though I'm really shooting for lightweight, and the MI Handguard shaves 4-5 oz. And if I can get it on sale at $150, I think it's a pretty good deal! If I see a SLR Helix for $200 I think I'll get that too.
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Probably $20 well spent. I like the look of the SLR...lightweight and more skelotonized/mimimalist material. Should show off that fluted barrel really well!
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Which MI hand guard are you looking at? When I compared weights I thought the V2 was within a couple ounces and the V1 about an ounce. Not to say a couple ounces doesn't matter, it all adds up. I was also concerned about the MI limiting gas block choices with its 1.3" inside diameter. Also, for my purpose, I didn't need any fixed pic rail. Anyway, no big deal, just wondering for discussion purposes. Looking forward to seeing some finished rifles in this thread. My barrel should ship next week and I'm buying the scope tomorrow. All that's left for me is a side charging upper.
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http://www.primaryarms.com/midwest-industries-gen-3-lightweight-m-lok-series-one-piece-free-float-handguard-15-black-null
This one is 9.4oz including the barrel nut while the V2 is 14oz including the barrel nut. I am worried about that, but the MI handguard is a pretty popular handguard so I think there will be a lot of people who can guide me. I think the Superlative Arms block will fit. I think set screw versions are usually a bit more low profile though?
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According to your link and the MI page, the 15" G3 is 10.3 oz. and ALG site says V2 w/nut is 13 oz., so only 2.7 oz difference. Either way, the MI is the lighter choice. For me, component research is at least half the fun of working on AR's.
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According to your link and the MI page, the 15" G3 is 10.3 oz. and ALG site says V2 w/nut is 13 oz., so only 2.7 oz difference. Either way, the MI is the lighter choice. For me, component research is at least half the fun of working on AR's.
Oops, I linked the wrong one: https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/product-p/mi-lwm15g3-blk.htm
But yea, lighter choice still. SLR Helix is the dream at 9 oz altogether, but I don't know if it's worth an extra 80 over the Midwest Industries. I think it definitely looks a lot better than the MI though!
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According to your link and the MI page, the 15" G3 is 10.3 oz. and ALG site says V2 w/nut is 13 oz., so only 2.7 oz difference. Either way, the MI is the lighter choice. For me, component research is at least half the fun of working on AR's.
Oops, I linked the wrong one: https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/product-p/mi-lwm15g3-blk.htm
But yea, lighter choice still. SLR Helix is the dream at 9 oz altogether, but I don't know if it's worth an extra 80 over the Midwest Industries. I think it definitely looks a lot better than the MI though!
I had the MI LWM and SLR Helix on my spreadsheet (the latter is super light and priced like it). One thing I didn't like about the MI was the adhesive used for installation. What happens when you want to take off the handguard to adjust the gas block? When I watched the video below I was impressed by the machining and tight tolerances that go into the ALG products. And Bill is just cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z86hO6rF8KQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z86hO6rF8KQ)
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My other builds.
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How do you like SLR handguards? Do they actually feel any different from other companies?
It's hard to justify paying for the SLR Helix when MI has managed to shave so much weight off of their handguard.
I didn't notice the adhesive part, but it seems like it is just green threadlock? That stuff is easily removeable, and I think you can set your gas and then threadlock it. Supposedly it just stops the handguard from creeping. But I agree, a good rail shouldn't need threadlock to hold it on.
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I have the 10.7" SLR Helix Mlok. It is crazy light - 7.35 oz with all the hardware - and it looks good, too. SLR periodically has 10% off sales; I was lucky and got mine at 15% off ($213).
I also looked at the MI rail, but I ended up deciding on the SLR for several reasons:
1. No continuous top rail - besides making it lighter, it's way more comfortable to hold in a C-grip.
2. No adhesives needed on the barrel nut - the SLR barrel but has a notch cut in that catches the fasteners.
3. Longer barrel but - as Bill Geissele mentions in the ALG video linked above, a longer barrel but on a free float rail makes for a more stable and rigid attachment point.
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SLRs are nice, but I have used a lot of hand guard/rail systems because I'm picky and the Geiselle Super Modular Rails are the best I've ever had. They are a lot less expensive than they used to be.
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They make the MI without the continuous top rail now, but I think you have me sold on the other two aspects. The SLR Solo is on sale right now at Primary Arms for ~15% off right now, but I really want the Helix.
Have you noticed any durability issues with the Helix? SLR had mentioned that the Helix is more fragile than the Solo Ultra Lite and shouldn't be used in rough situations, but I don't know if that just means in combat or 3 gun. I read this thread which is pushing me towards the Helix: http://forums.brianenos.com/topic/234087-slr-helix-mlok-handguard/?tab=comments#comment-2610457
I don't care too much for Geissele's SMR because it costs more and is heavier.
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Huh, you're right about the top rail; I could have sworn all of their handguards had continuous top rails before.
I can't speak to the durability of the Helix (I'm purely a recreational shooter), but the support 'struts' on the handguard are indeed quite thin. They milled out quite a lot of aluminum to shave weight. I would not expect it to survive abuse like a Geissele (which is engineered for military use - as in getting banged against armor plating constantly), but it seems strong enough for my own sporting purposes. It's a legitimate concern if you want something more rugged - the Helix definitely trades off strength for weight. I can't answer if it's right for you.
Honestly, there's nothing wrong with the MI rail - that was just personal preference on my part. If you can wait, BCM is supposed to be releasing an Mlok handguard later this year; it might be worth a look.
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Huh, you're right about the top rail; I could have sworn all of their handguards had continuous top rails before.
I can't speak to the durability of the Helix (I'm purely a recreational shooter), but the support 'struts' on the handguard are indeed quite thin. They milled out quite a lot of aluminum to shave weight. I would not expect it to survive abuse like a Geissele (which is engineered for military use - as in getting banged against armor plating constantly), but it seems strong enough for my own sporting purposes. It's a legitimate concern if you want something more rugged - the Helix definitely trades off strength for weight. I can't answer if it's right for you.
Honestly, there's nothing wrong with the MI rail - that was just personal preference on my part. If you can wait, BCM is supposed to be releasing an Mlok handguard later this year; it might be worth a look.
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I've been buying a lot this past month without really looking at my finances :'( I think unless there's a Helix rail for <$200, I won't be buying. Right To Bear has the SLR 15" Ultra Lite for $190 which is tempting, but I was wanting to go with M-LOK rather than Keymod. The Helix is $220. After shipping it's pretty much the same price as direct from SLR.
I saw the BCM stuff, but it seems quite heavy. Granted, I suspect it's the full length top rail contributing a lot.
I need to remind myself... patience patience patience! ::)
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How do you like SLR handguards? Do they actually feel any different from other companies?
They all feel solid but the SLR is slimmer compared to my DD Omega, Centurion and LaRue.
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I am waiting on my last tool to arrive before I start the actual building -- a Midwest Industries stock wrench -- so I decided to try some color fill on my lower using nail polish. I should have picked a "brighter" red, but it's fine for now. Looks like fresh blood. As for the Anderson roll mark...the horse isn't awful by itself, but IMO there's too much going on there to color fill all of it (and it's an improvement over the original roll mark). There are no markings at all on the right side of the receiver, which is probably a way to cut costs (just $50 for the lower). The result I guess is a really wordy mag-well.
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FWIW, the fit and finish are good. The surface of my Aero upper is a little nicer, but the slight contrast when putting the two together isn't a deal breaker (not for my first build or the savings).
Speaking of tools, I ended up buying a Magpul BEV Block. I also borrowed a set of SK punches and roll-pin punches from a friend (much nicer quality than I would have paid for). I was worried he'd need them before I was done, but he said he hasn't used them in 6 years. It's good to know a tool collector!
I still haven't ordered sights yet. An optic is way down the road. I am debating between the Magpul MBUS Gen 2 ($65), Daniel Defense Rock & Lock fixed sights ($125), and the Magpul MBUS Pros ($155). Since they will be my only sights for a while, I'm leaning toward the DDs.
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What optic are you planning to get in the future? If red dot sight, then a DD is a good choice but if a variable magnified scope, you need a folding rear BUIS.
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I was thinking red dot for this rifle, ideally a Trijicon MRO (which is why the purchase is further off). The Vortex Sparc II interests me as a budget option. With a magnified optic (even a 1-4X) wouldn't an offset BUIS also be a good choice?
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If you are going to use an iron sight first and a magnified optic is an option in the future, then a folding rear sight is a better choice.
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Good advice. I don't think I will put anything but a red dot on this one. But if that changes, then I will just have extra parts for a future build. My 15 y/o wants one now.
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Thats the great thing about AR builds, you go slow and buy what you want as you can afford it or as it goes on sale
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It's late enough in the year that I'm more or less holding out for Black Rifle Friday unless I see something utterly absurd.
I do wonder if accessories will get cheaper. A lot of people put their money into rifles/receivers last year; the market is softer in guns/ammo, but I would expect the same people to be trying to kit the rifles they bought last year.
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It's late enough in the year that I'm more or less holding out for Black Rifle Friday unless I see something utterly absurd.
I do wonder if accessories will get cheaper. A lot of people put their money into rifles/receivers last year; the market is softer in guns/ammo, but I would expect the same people to be trying to kit the rifles they bought last year.
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I'm at the same point. Everything I've bought so far has been ~20% off which is acceptable to me. I see tons of receivers getting marked down quite a bit, but nothing on handguards, BCGs, and other small items.
The SLR Solo Ultra Lite is on sale for 196 over on Right To Bear, but I really want the Helix which seems to be out of stock everywhere (and not on sale) :( 10% isn't enough to make me bite.
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The only thing I need now is a side charging upper(non-recip). If you guys notice one on sale please let me know. Probably a long shot catching one on sale, but my barrel still isn't ready so I'm trying to be patient. I've been occupying myself with other projects(pre-b, Scorpion, wife's .223) but I'm getting antsy.
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I've been traveling for work a lot lately; and also busy with various family, church, or social activities over the weekends (e.g., 4 kids and sports). So I was thrilled to finally have the time and energy to get some assembly work done this evening. I stopped just short of finishing the lower. I'll get the buffer assembly on tomorrow night.
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I found that installing the magazine catch was the trickiest part. I followed Larry Potterfield's advice to tape up the receiver, but he failed to mention that I should double or triple it up in spots. I ended up with a slight scratch near the buffer tube coupler. What do y'all recommend for touch-up?
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Also, what are your opinions on staking the buffer tube vs just using some blue Loctite?
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I've read a few threads, and it seems some people get away without staking at all (no loctite either) while others swear by staking. PWS has an interesting ratcheting castle nut that doesn't require staking as well.
I sold my Kadet Kit today... and I spent all the money today too.
Just placed my order for a 16" SLR Helix in M-LOK and a Sentry 7 gas block as well. 15% off at SLR Rifleworks w/ free shipping over $300. They really know how to get you to spend your money!
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I only have one AR with a castle nut and it isn't staked or loctited. Truthfully, I forgot to stake it, and never got around to it. It's never been a problem. I noticed it was loose one time and snugged it back down. It's been this way for a couple years. If it was going into battle or being used in multi day rifle classes, I'd stake it.
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I read a few threads since I posted, too. And it seems that people are really passionate about the topic. I am tempted to stake it because I did not buy an armorer's wrench. My hand guard has a $5 proprietary wrench for the barrel nut. So a stock wrench was just $5, too. The only downside is that I tightened it by feel rather than using my torque wrench (the stock wrench lacks a 1/2" drive hole). But it's good to know that I can go without (at least as a range gun). That might be good since I'm thinking of getting a sling mount end plate later (not that a stake is permanent either).
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I read a few threads since I posted, too. And it seems that people are really passionate about the topic. I am tempted to stake it because I did not buy an armorer's wrench. My hand guard has a $5 proprietary wrench for the barrel nut. So a stock wrench was just $5, too. The only downside is that I tightened it by feel rather than using my torque wrench (the stock wrench lacks a 1/2" drive hole). But it's good to know that I can go without (at least as a range gun). That might be good since I'm thinking of getting a sling mount end plate later (not that a stake is permanent either).
Take a look at the PWS ratcheting castle nut. It's only $25, and I think it comes with a QD end plate.
https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/PWS-Ratchet-Lock-Sling-Mount-and-Castle-Nut-p/pws-4btrlpb1.htm
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I read a few threads since I posted, too. And it seems that people are really passionate about the topic. I am tempted to stake it because I did not buy an armorer's wrench. My hand guard has a $5 proprietary wrench for the barrel nut. So a stock wrench was just $5, too. The only downside is that I tightened it by feel rather than using my torque wrench (the stock wrench lacks a 1/2" drive hole). But it's good to know that I can go without (at least as a range gun). That might be good since I'm thinking of getting a sling mount end plate later (not that a stake is permanent either).
It's not that big of a deal for a range gun. If anything you might be looked down on by the "don't you even stake your castle nut bro?" guys. I couldn't care less what people think of my "build".
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I read a few threads since I posted, too. And it seems that people are really passionate about the topic. I am tempted to stake it because I did not buy an armorer's wrench. My hand guard has a $5 proprietary wrench for the barrel nut. So a stock wrench was just $5, too. The only downside is that I tightened it by feel rather than using my torque wrench (the stock wrench lacks a 1/2" drive hole). But it's good to know that I can go without (at least as a range gun). That might be good since I'm thinking of getting a sling mount end plate later (not that a stake is permanent either).
Take a look at the PWS ratcheting castle nut. It's only $25, and I think it comes with a QD end plate.
https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/PWS-Ratchet-Lock-Sling-Mount-and-Castle-Nut-p/pws-4btrlpb1.htm
I will definitely consider the PWS. It's a cool concept and you wonder why something like that is aftermarket and the mil-spec way is practically medieval (hammer and punch). I love the review on JoeBob's where the guy says, "This part is junk. [...] I was able to replace with a $4 mil spec part and the stock is as solid as ever. I'd also expect the ratchet mechanism to wear after repeated assembly/disassemble." So...don't you have to replace your end plates every time you uninstall them?
My initial purpose behind the rifle is for the fun of building it/shooting at the range, but as for the build itself I'm thinking home defense/SHTF, etc. (hopefully a purpose it's never needed for). So at some point I'll stake it or go with the PWS nut. For now, I don't think my marriage would survive another part purchase, even for $25 or less. I ended up buying Magpul MBUS Pro sights and that's it for a while (until I settle on an optic...red dot or scope...and then Christmas rolls around). Of course, I paid $140 for the front/rear set and Primary Arms now has them on their Labor Day sale for $130. :)
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I read a few threads since I posted, too. And it seems that people are really passionate about the topic. I am tempted to stake it because I did not buy an armorer's wrench. My hand guard has a $5 proprietary wrench for the barrel nut. So a stock wrench was just $5, too. The only downside is that I tightened it by feel rather than using my torque wrench (the stock wrench lacks a 1/2" drive hole). But it's good to know that I can go without (at least as a range gun). That might be good since I'm thinking of getting a sling mount end plate later (not that a stake is permanent either).
Take a look at the PWS ratcheting castle nut. It's only $25, and I think it comes with a QD end plate.
https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/PWS-Ratchet-Lock-Sling-Mount-and-Castle-Nut-p/pws-4btrlpb1.htm
I will definitely consider the PWS. It's a cool concept and you wonder why something like that is aftermarket and the mil-spec way is practically medieval (hammer and punch). I love the review on JoeBob's where the guy says, "This part is junk. [...] I was able to replace with a $4 mil spec part and the stock is as solid as ever. I'd also expect the ratchet mechanism to wear after repeated assembly/disassemble." So...don't you have to replace your end plates every time you uninstall them?
My initial purpose behind the rifle is for the fun of building it/shooting at the range, but as for the build itself I'm thinking home defense/SHTF, etc. (hopefully a purpose it's never needed for). So at some point I'll stake it or go with the PWS nut. For now, I don't think my marriage would survive another part purchase, even for $25 or less. I ended up buying Magpul MBUS Pro sights and that's it for a while (until I settle on an optic...red dot or scope...and then Christmas rolls around). Of course, I paid $140 for the front/rear set and Primary Arms now has them on their Labor Day sale for $130. :)
I heard only a handful of bad reviews on the PWS, and it sounds like they were duds. Now that I've been getting the Primary Arms newsletter, I have a pretty good sense of how they price things now so I no longer feel obligated to purchase things :P That said... I think I just made my last huge purchase. I only need a BCG from AIM Surplus, and all the rest is coming from a huge order from Lanbo's which is on sale all the time. I don't have a marriage to worry about with my purchases, but I feel guilty spending so much right now :P
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For retouching you can try this. Read the reviews and decide.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/707229/birchwood-casey-aluminum-black-metal-touch-up (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/707229/birchwood-casey-aluminum-black-metal-touch-up)
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For retouching you can try this. Read the reviews and decide.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/707229/birchwood-casey-aluminum-black-metal-touch-up (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/707229/birchwood-casey-aluminum-black-metal-touch-up)
Is that a permanent solution (i.e., chemical change to the metal)? I picked up one of the Birchwood Casey black touch-up pens, but I think it was essentially paint. I am expecting it to wear off at some point...just not quite as soon as a Sharpie marker.
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I don't think it's a permanent solution. I think it's similar to cold bluing solution but could be applied on aluminum. Just reapply when it rubs off.
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Well, after all that I staked it. Had to pick up some light bulbs at Ace Hardware and walked out with an automatic center punch. I also grabbed a regular center punch, but the automatic punch worked really well. The BCM stock fits great and now my lower is fully complete!
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Ran into a problem with the gas block install. It seems that my smallest roll-pin punch was wider than the hole, so it caused the gas-tube roll pin to mushroom. It's through the gas tube but I'm afraid not far enough. I think I need a smaller punch and a new pin. :( What are the chances I can find a gas-tube roll pin in Chattanooga, TN instead of having to go mail order?
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It may be OK but in hindsight I think I messed up the ALG barrel nut install. I started with the black shim and calculated that I needed the green and purple shims. But when I put the specified shims on the barrel the pre-torque band was not in the right spot. So I swapped one shim for a thinner one. However, I only hand tightened the nut the second time (vs. hand tightening w/the wrench). I just watched the installation video again and Bill uses the wrench to hand tighten to get the pre-torque setting (vs. using a 1' pipe nipple on the wrench). I think I need to do it over with the green and purple shims, so I suppose reinstalling the gas tube is needed anyway.
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There's a Gunshop behind Hardee's at exit 27 in Cleveland. Can't think of the name right now, but he has lots of AR parts. You could also try calling Anthony @ Anthony's Armory in Red Bank. He has a lot of spare parts.
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What will you refinish the castle nut/ring with? It's steel, right? Will the aluminum pen refinish stuff work on the steel? I'm curious since the finish is wearing off the safeties (steel) and slide releases on my CZ 75 Compact pretty badly. I'm wondering if the pen will work without having to take the safeties out of the pistol frame.
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What will you refinish the castle nut/ring with? It's steel, right? Will the aluminum pen refinish stuff work on the steel? I'm curious since the finish is wearing off the safeties (steel) and slide releases on my CZ 75 Compact pretty badly. I'm wondering if the pen will work without having to take the safeties out of the pistol frame.
I've been told to use this:
https://www.amazon.com/Birchwood-Casey-Super-Blue-3-Ounce/dp/B0000C515I/ref=pd_sim_200_7?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=M7225EVPDFZB59VYDJ0S
When my safety and slide release finishes on my 85C in a month, CZ basically told me it'll happen, and I didn't want to send my gun in just for this.
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What will you refinish the castle nut/ring with? It's steel, right? Will the aluminum pen refinish stuff work on the steel? I'm curious since the finish is wearing off the safeties (steel) and slide releases on my CZ 75 Compact pretty badly. I'm wondering if the pen will work without having to take the safeties out of the pistol frame.
I've been told to use this:
https://www.amazon.com/Birchwood-Casey-Super-Blue-3-Ounce/dp/B0000C515I/ref=pd_sim_200_7?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=M7225EVPDFZB59VYDJ0S
When my safety and slide release finishes on my 85C in a month, CZ basically told me it'll happen, and I didn't want to send my gun in just for this.
I keep the paste version of this product for doing touch ups, works well for my intended use.
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There's a Gunshop behind Hardee's at exit 27 in Cleveland. Can't think of the name right now, but he has lots of AR parts. You could also try calling Anthony @ Anthony's Armory in Red Bank. He has a lot of spare parts.
Thanks! I might try giving Anthony's a call. Cleveland is a little far since I'm in Flintstone, near Rossville. If I drove to Cleveland I might as well pay a few bucks shipping to have some shipped from Primary Arms. There's a place in Tiftonia that I'm going to try first (Lookout Firearms). I've never gone in but they have AR signs in the window. Of course, even if I get the roll pin I still need a smaller roll pin punch. Hopefully I can get that, too. Maybe mail order is in order...
BTW, my mistakes have mounted. I partially punched out the gas tube pin and pulled it the rest of the way with a pair of pliers. But I was on the phone at the same time and accidentally grabbed the gas block roll pin (it protrudes from both sides) and causing it to crimp a little. I think I have it bent back into shape, but I may end up needing one of those, too! I have to slow it down and avoid distractions!
I did pull off the ALG barrel nut and did it again with the right colored shims. Sure enough, hand tightening with the wrench put the nut in the perfect pre-torque position--just like the videos. So at least that's fixed and I know my barrel nut is properly torqued!
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There's a Gunshop behind Hardee's at exit 27 in Cleveland. Can't think of the name right now, but he has lots of AR parts. You could also try calling Anthony @ Anthony's Armory in Red Bank. He has a lot of spare parts.
Thanks! I might try giving Anthony's a call. Cleveland is a little far since I'm in Flintstone, near Rossville. If I drove to Cleveland I might as well pay a few bucks shipping to have some shipped from Primary Arms. There's a place in Tiftonia that I'm going to try first (Lookout Firearms). I've never gone in but they have AR signs in the window. Of course, even if I get the roll pin I still need a smaller roll pin punch. Hopefully I can get that, too. Maybe mail order is in order...
BTW, my mistakes have mounted. I partially punched out the gas tube pin and pulled it the rest of the way with a pair of pliers. But I was on the phone at the same time and accidentally grabbed the gas block roll pin (it protrudes from both sides) and causing it to crimp a little. I think I have it bent back into shape, but I may end up needing one of those, too! I have to slow it down and avoid distractions!
I did pull off the ALG barrel nut and did it again with the right colored shims. Sure enough, hand tightening with the wrench put the nut in the perfect pre-torque position--just like the videos. So at least that's fixed and I know my barrel nut is properly torqued!
There's also a little gun shop in Lookout Valley that used to have a lot of AR parts been a while since I've been in there. What about Ace Hardware?
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There's also a little gun shop in Lookout Valley that used to have a lot of AR parts been a while since I've been in there. What about Ace Hardware?
That's where I went (Lookout Valley is also Tiftonia, right?) over on Cummings Hwy near Browns Ferry Rd. Lookout Firearms and Accessories. The owner, Randy, gave me the gas tube roll pin for free! In fact, if I had brought both the gas block and the tube he'd have installed it for me, but I only had the block in my pocket.
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I did go buy a roll pin set with a small enough punch to do the job right. I also took a small file and slightly tapered the end of the roll pin to help it go in a little easier. Got the tube on the block and the block on the barrel. All I have left is to install the flash hider and secure the hand rail. Busy weekend ahead (Friday night football, Saturday soccer, birthday parties, etc...oh, and my in-laws are in town), but I should hopefully get it done and have pics up by Monday or Tuesday.
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I don't know if it helps (makes me feel good though) but I always get a pair of pliers and squeeze the snot out of the roll pin, while setting the end in the hole and then give it that first smack with the hammer.
It seems to not only make the roll pin start easier (especially that pesky little roll pin for the slide release) but gives be a bigger target for the hammer as I'm hitting the pliers, not just the tip of the roll pin.
Once it's started I lay the pliers aside and just use the hammer.
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There's also a little gun shop in Lookout Valley that used to have a lot of AR parts been a while since I've been in there. What about Ace Hardware?
That's where I went (Lookout Valley is also Tiftonia, right?) over on Cummings Hwy near Browns Ferry Rd. Lookout Firearms and Accessories. The owner, Randy, gave me the gas tube roll pin for free! In fact, if I had brought both the gas block and the tube he'd have installed it for me, but I only had the block in my pocket.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4371/36131579004_0480697f8c_c.jpg)
I did go buy a roll pin set with a small enough punch to do the job right. I also took a small file and slightly tapered the end of the roll pin to help it go in a little easier. Got the tube on the block and the block on the barrel. All I have left is to install the flash hider and secure the hand rail. Busy weekend ahead (Friday night football, Saturday soccer, birthday parties, etc...oh, and my in-laws are in town), but I should hopefully get it done and have pics up by Monday or Tuesday.
I haven't been in there since right after he(Randy) opened. He's a nice guy and does cheap transfers. Anthony is a friend of mine though, so he gets all my LGS business.
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Just bought my TiN low mass BCG from AIM Surplus!
20% off on all accessories. Great deals there. Including magazines!
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Just bought my TiN low mass BCG from AIM Surplus!
20% off on all accessories. Great deals there. Including magazines!
Nice! There have been some good Labor Day weekend sales. Like you said earlier, I think getting all of the weekly (sometimes daily) emails gives you a good idea of sales cycles. Of course, I hear black rifle Friday is pretty big.
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I haven't been in there since right after he(Randy) opened. He's a nice guy and does cheap transfers. Anthony is a friend of mine though, so he gets all my LGS business.
I've been using GT Distributors since I'm in GA. But they went from $10 to $25 on transfers, which seems to be the going advertised rate. It's why I bought my Anderson lower at Cabela's. It was cheaper there to pay tax and no transfer fee.
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Just bought my TiN low mass BCG from AIM Surplus!
20% off on all accessories. Great deals there. Including magazines!
Nice! There have been some good Labor Day weekend sales. Like you said earlier, I think getting all of the weekly (sometimes daily) emails gives you a good idea of sales cycles. Of course, I hear black rifle Friday is pretty big.
I started checking out the Gun Deals subreddit, they update pretty fast. That's what I've heard too, but 20% off is a pretty big discount already. Maybe they do 25%? I dunno.
I've got pretty much everything bought now though. I just need to make one big purchase from Lanbo's, but I need to hold off and save some more money. I can afford it, but I don't like seeing my bank account so low :P
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Anyone have a problem like this before? I didn't put any grease on the threads, but I'm unable to hand-turn the muzzle device (YHM Phantom 5C1) without using a lot of force (far more than the install videos I've watched). I am wondering if the parkerizing is filling in the threads a little.
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Stainless is "funny" stuff.
Before I risked messing up the threads on the barrel I'd get a tap and run it into the flash suppressor to make sure those threads were "right".
If you don't have, or can't get, a die you might try oil on the threads (a good bit) and then work the flash suppressor on as far as it'll go, then back off again, add some oil and repeat till you can tell if it'll work itself out like that.
Booger up the flash suppressor and it will cost you, booger up the barrel and it'll cost a lot more.
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Anyone have a problem like this before? I didn't put any grease on the threads, but I'm unable to hand-turn the muzzle device (YHM Phantom 5C1) without using a lot of force (far more than the install videos I've watched). I am wondering if the parkerizing is filling in the threads a little.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4395/36583208180_3e84231497_c.jpg)
Yes, I installed a brake last night same thing. It's always good practice to chase newly machined threads.
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That was exactly my concern. Better to lose a $30 brake than ruin a $230 barrel (not that I paid that much).
I do not have a 1/2 - 28 tap, but it would be a good idea to hand tap it...going slow to just clear the pitch. While I am thinking the issue is with the suppressor, it could be either thread (internal or external on the barrel). Without a go/no-go I can't know for certain which one is non-conforming.
I think I will try to find a bolt with that thread pattern. I have heard you can cut the end to make it a "self-tapping" bolt. I'm sure there is some dude that shows how to do it on YouTube.
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This afternoon I made a trip to Lowe's and Home Depot hoping they might have a 1/2"-28 bolt in their specialty sections. The largest 28 thread count bolt they had was 1/4". I checked the drill/tap supplies and as expected, no dice. They only had coarse threads in 1/2" size. However, on the drive home it suddenly hit me that my suppressor ready P-09 has 1/2-28 threads!!!
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4340/36611282570_9929ba1185_c.jpg)
The CZ thread protector screwed freely on to the AR barrel, while the flash suppressor hung up in the same spot. Ballistic Advantage - 1, Yankee Hill Machine - 0.
So, I can order a 1/2"-28 tap, take it to a gunsmith, or send it back to Primary Arms as a defect/out-of-tolerance. Given that all of my options involve more time and money, I am leaning toward the last one. Honestly, while I'm happy to have bought the YHM muzzle device on sale for $24, my experience hasn't met my expectations after reading all of the 5-star reviews. I am sure I just got a dud, but the fit and finish are also on par with what I paid.
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Unfortunate but good to see that you probably have a solution!
Pretty excited to start putting together my upper now. I'm debating on skipping the Magpul armorer's wrench and just getting a cheap wrench since I will have a wrench from SLR for the barrel nut, and I have the ratcheting castle nut (or plan to order it).
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Unfortunate but good to see that you probably have a solution!
Pretty excited to start putting together my upper now. I'm debating on skipping the Magpul armorer's wrench and just getting a cheap wrench since I will have a wrench from SLR for the barrel nut, and I have the ratcheting castle nut (or plan to order it).
Sounds like there's no need for you to buy the Magpul wrench. Even the cheapest armorer's wrenches are $15 more than a stock wrench. You could always buy one later if you need it. Put the money toward some good punches, vise block, etc.
FWIW, I went with the Magpul BEV Block instead of a reaction rod (Geissele or Botach). It worked well on both the lower and upper assembly. I do recommend using the BEV BLock with the bolt carrier (bolt and firing pin removed) when building your upper. It makes it rock solid. The only time I wish I had a reaction rod is when I wanted to turn the upper upside down (e.g., to tighten the gas block set screws).
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Just got my BCG in! For the price I paid, I'm more than happy. The staking looks good, and the machining is overall good. Can definitely see some marks, but this things gonna get so dirty and worn anyways. The Sentry 7 C didn't arrive as expected so there's a delay on that part.
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@ SlvrDragon50
What buffer weight/spring are you planning to use?
Not familiar with lightweight bolt carrier and adjustable gas block.
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TAC COM buffer with a standard carbine spring. Getting a SLR Sentry 7 gas block.
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I too have been bitten by the AR bug and am beginning a lower build. This time around I'll probably just buy the completed upper.
Although price is a factor I wanted the experience of assembling my own lower for the features that I wanted.
Aero Precision Stripped Lower Gen2 FDE $62.00 Schyuler Arms
Magpul CTR Carbine Buttstock- Mil Spec - FDE $54.95 Toms Tactical
Aero Precision Lower Parts Kit w/trigger group $51.25 Schyuler Arms
Aero Precision AR15 Carbine Buffer Kit $33.99 Aero Precision
Magpul QD Buffer plate $23.95 Primary Arms
Aero Precision Aluminnum Billet Trigger Guard - FDE $22.85 Primary Arms
Magpul MOE Pistol Grip - FDE $19.95 Toms Tactical
Add to this $15 FFL transfer.
The above prices are from my spreadsheet and include shipping.
I know I splurged on the QD buffer plate and the trigger guard but oh well...
I saved big time on the Gen2 lower so I don't mind so much.
I plan on running a spec trigger until I get a feel for it before I spend on any upgrades.
The interesting thing is that while the above cost is reasonable, you can get completed lowers for about the same. To me it's getting the parts I want plus assembling my own that I wanted.
Has anyone seen the new Aero Atlas hanuguard. I'm thinking of a 16" M4 mid-length barrel with one of these.
https://aeroprecisionusa.com/ar15-gen2-complete-upper-16in-556-mid-atlas-s-one.html (https://aeroprecisionusa.com/ar15-gen2-complete-upper-16in-556-mid-atlas-s-one.html)
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I wish I didn't rush into the lower purchase since I bought a short throw Aero Gen 1 for the same price as a Gen 2 (normal throw).
Looks good though! I'm getting the ratcheting castle nut which comes with a QD end plate for $30.
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Although price is a factor I wanted the experience of assembling my own lower for the features that I wanted.
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The interesting thing is that while the above cost is reasonable, you can get completed lowers for about the same. To me it's getting the parts I want plus assembling my own that I wanted.
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A lot of what I've read says to build the lower and buy a complete upper. I went for the whole shebang for exactly the same reasons: 1) I wanted to learn everything about the rifle; and 2) there were some features I specifically wanted. Sure, I could have assembled a cheaper rifle, but would have eventually spent the same or more on upgrades.
Here is my final spreadsheet. There was definitely some scope creep on the cost as I went (and hung around here!). I'm still pretty happy that I kept the parts cost at just over $700 (minus the back-up sights). I was not anticipating spending as much on tools. In tracking the MSRP vs what I paid, it does appear that I saved more on the upper (even though I've seen some really compelling deals on complete uppers).
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And here is the finished product (sans sights)! My VG6 Delta 556 comp left Florida just in time to beat Irma! It arrived today and went onto the barrel threads with no issues whatsoever.
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I need to weigh it on a more accurate device than a bathroom scale. The first time it read 6.2 lbs. After I cleaned the scale for the picture it weighed 6.4 lbs. I know the scale was dirty but not that much! :D
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I should get it out at least by Sunday to put some rounds through it. Chad (the guy who lent me his punches) really wants to shoot it, too!
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That's a nice looking rifle. Slick looking (meaning clean).
Now, for the optics and sling.
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That's a nice looking rifle. Slick looking (meaning clean).
Now, for the optics and sling.
Thanks! That exactly the look I was going for, which is one reason I opted for the MBUS Pros instead of the polymer MBUS Gen 2s.
I am unsure of what optic to buy. Conceptually I like Eotechs, but understand there have been issues. Vortex has a new holographic sight. And the Trijicon MRO seems like a good rugged red dot. I don't think I want a 1-4x scope for short range. I shoot right handed but am left eye dominate.
What do you recommend for a sling? I don't have a sling point at the castle nut, but may get one down the road.
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Gorgeous! I really like the ALG rail! Kinda making me wish I went that route instead, but I really wanted a weight weenie rifle :P I wish I went with the black comp since I have the stainless barrel :(
Also I don't feel so bad about my parts list after seeing your parts list haha. Thanks for sharing!
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An Eotech is sort of like a BIG DP Pro or RMR isn't it. Larger, heavier, bigger batteries, shorter battery life, etc. I know the lens on the pistol type red dots is smaller than an Eotech but who is really looking at the lens when you're putting the dot on a target?
I only use a single point sling on a couple of AR15 pistols and a couple small carbines. Most of my 16" and all of my 18 and 20" barreled AR15's have two point slings on them. Not just for carrying them but also to help me "build a steady firing position" when shooting seated or prone (it helps standing, too, but you can't use a sling in competition - I don't shoot competition, but I like nice groups).
And most of my ARs with 2 point slings have GI web slings on them, too. I've got a magpul on my DPMS GII but I can't say how well I like it yet as so far I'm not shot it with the sling.
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An Eotech is sort of like a BIG DP Pro or RMR isn't it. Larger, heavier, bigger batteries, shorter battery life, etc. I know the lens on the pistol type red dots is smaller than an Eotech but who is really looking at the lens when you're putting the dot on a target?
I only use a single point sling on a couple of AR15 pistols and a couple small carbines. Most of my 16" and all of my 18 and 20" barreled AR15's have two point slings on them. Not just for carrying them but also to help me "build a steady firing position" when shooting seated or prone (it helps standing, too, but you can't use a sling in competition - I don't shoot competition, but I like nice groups).
And most of my ARs with 2 point slings have GI web slings on them, too. I've got a magpul on my DPMS GII but I can't say how well I like it yet as so far I'm not shot it with the sling.
I have wondered why we don't see more reflector dots on ARs. Though I do like the Eotech reticle which I have yet to see an RMR with.
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The Holosun 510C might fit the bill.
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I am currently thinking about the Vortex Spitfire AR which seems to be really popular. I am only unsure about the eye relief as it's an unmagnified optic. Otherwise I may get the Sparc AR or a used higher end optic.
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Holosun is the stuff, with a circle dot reticle! O0
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Holosun is the stuff, with a circle dot reticle! O0
I need to take a closer look at their offerings. The Vortex pricing is great though especially with all the sales.
Unfortunately... I am worried my handguard may have gone missing from SLR due to Irma... been tracking it, and it was supposed to arrive today, and there's been no update in location.
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I am currently thinking about the Vortex Spitfire AR which seems to be really popular. I am only unsure about the eye relief as it's an unmagnified optic. Otherwise I may get the Sparc AR or a used higher end optic.
eye relief isn't usually an issue with unmagnified optics.
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Unmagnified red dot sight....way out there. Works fine so far. DP Pro with the triangle instead of the dot. I figured the RMRs on my P07 and P09 are "way out there" when I'm holding them up out in front of me to shoot, so why not try mounting the DP Pro on the AR15 pistol far out there? It's not a round tube/lens red dot but it's an unmagnified red dot sight. Just smaller than most of them.
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Haha. Yea, I would do that if I already had an RMR or something, but I gotta buy a new optic :(
The Holosuns are looking real nice right now. I just can't figure out the pros/cons of a tube type dot vs. a reflex dot. They seem to have similar sizes. Wish I could try these out in person!
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I am currently thinking about the Vortex Spitfire AR which seems to be really popular. I am only unsure about the eye relief as it's an unmagnified optic. Otherwise I may get the Sparc AR or a used higher end optic.
eye relief isn't usually an issue with unmagnified optics.
Not with Vortex Spitfire? AR Prism Scopes, it seems.
http://www.vortexoptics.com/category/spitfire_ar_prism_scope (http://www.vortexoptics.com/category/spitfire_ar_prism_scope)
Eye relief is listed as 3.8".
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Just when I get my mind around the budget options vs battle worthy, red dot over holographic, etc...I read a recent study on parallax.
https://www.greeneyetactical.com/2017/07/27/comparative-study-of-red-dot-sight-parallax/ (https://www.greeneyetactical.com/2017/07/27/comparative-study-of-red-dot-sight-parallax/)
I think I'll be using my irons for a while...totally undecided. :-\
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Just when I get my mind around the budget options vs battle worthy, red dot over holographic, etc...I read a recent study on parallax.
https://www.greeneyetactical.com/2017/07/27/comparative-study-of-red-dot-sight-parallax/ (https://www.greeneyetactical.com/2017/07/27/comparative-study-of-red-dot-sight-parallax/)
I think I'll be using my irons for a while...totally undecided. :-\
You can learn a lot by sticking with irons for a while, at least long enough to figure out exactly what you want out of this rifle. I usually end up making decisions based on price and availability. If I can catch a deal on a used or discounted optic, I buy it. If it doesn't work out I sell it for a minimal loss or hopefully break even. Even if I lose a little, I chalk it up to education.
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Parallax is not as big an issue if you always have your eye in the same spot behind the sight? Isn't that the way it goes? Consistent cheek weld is a big part of that.
I've never shot that AR15, or any true "red dot" type optic farther than 25 yds., but parallax will show up even at that range (has with a scope on my M1A before I got that nice big pad to attach to the stock).
I know I've read parallax isn't an issue with many red dot type sights but then again, maybe they aren't shooting the rifle at a groundhog's head out past 200 yds. or at a squirrel's head at 25 or 30 yds. Smaller targets show up problems much faster than big targets.
Don't know if I've mentioned it here, but I wouldn't recommend the Lucid red dot sights. They look good, the work well enough. And the big draw for me was the use of the AA battery vs. the harder to find tiny batteries many red dot sights use. The issue is you can put a brand new battery in one, turn it off, put it in the corner and 3 or 4 months from now when you need that rifle, the battery will be dead. All three (4 if I count that smaller model) are transitioning back to their boxes for sights that don't die when they are waiting to be used.
I have one of the small Primary Arms red dots to put on my wife's AR15 but we just haven't gotten her to the range to take the Lucid off and sight in the PA Microdot.
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Those are some pretty bold claims to say the dot moves 6+ moa! While I like the methodology, it's a little too subjective still (I can't propose a better method) as there are different dot sizes, tester visual differences, what brightness the dots were at, etc. therefore, I'm hesitant to really believe their findings.
I think M1A4 also brings up the important issue of a consistent cheek weld.
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If you have never used a red dot look through one first. I don't like them because I don't see a dot. I see a distorted blob due to my eyes.
I use an Eotech holographic sight on the AR10 and an ACOG on the AR15. These both work with my glasses on or off. I have reached an age where I prefer 3 or 4x on a rifle.
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All good points. The question I have is how does your form/cheek weld hold up in high pressure or less than ideal shooting positions? 6 MOA off at 25 yards is not much on a man size target, but becomes a miss further out. I just found it interesting that manufacturer claims about parallax are not necessarily accurate. Of course, even an Aimpoint T2 (best of the red dots in the test) is not enough to make up for poor training or lack of practice.
I've never used anything other than irons or a scope, so I probably need to take the advice to try a few. I think I read somewhere about red dots and people with corrected vision not being ideal (maybe that's what WVNed is referencing). I have astigmatism in both eyes.
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My old SP1 seems to shoot within about 3moa with the dot or the irons, with my old eyes.
I just upgraded the rear sight with a NM aperture, and I have a precision front post.
I can look through either on this setup.
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Just ordered the last of my AR parts!
Now I'm starting to look at optics, but I think I'm gonna try to get an Eotech EXPS2-0 OPMOD from Optics Planet during Black Friday or something and combine it with the $75 rebate. Hopefully spend a little over 300.
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Just ordered the last of my AR parts!
Now I'm starting to look at optics, but I think I'm gonna try to get an Eotech EXPS2-0 OPMOD from Optics Planet during Black Friday or something and combine it with the $75 rebate. Hopefully spend a little over 300.
If you get an EOTech for a little over $300, next stop should be buying a lottery ticket. EOTechs are very rarely discounted that much. $400 would be a really good price.
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Just ordered the last of my AR parts!
Now I'm starting to look at optics, but I think I'm gonna try to get an Eotech EXPS2-0 OPMOD from Optics Planet during Black Friday or something and combine it with the $75 rebate. Hopefully spend a little over 300.
If you get an EOTech for a little over $300, next stop should be buying a lottery ticket. EOTechs are very rarely discounted that much. $400 would be a really good price.
You can get them for $400 right now easily! Even less if you don't want the E version! Of course these values are after rebate.
Link: http://www.opticsplanet.com/l3-eotech-opmod-exps2-holographic-sights-limited-edition-red-dot-sights-exps2-0-opmod.html
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Can't go wrong with Areo........I think they are underrated.
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Just bought my optic, a Holosun HS503GU. Wasn't planning on getting this particular model, but the price was too good. $141.49!!!
https://gun.deals/product/holosun-503gu-reflex-sight-wfree-mount-14149-shipped-use-make-offer-option#comments
If anyone else needs an optic, hop on that deal! Worst case, you sell it for the same amount or a tiny loss.
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Just bought my optic, a Holosun HS503GU. Wasn't planning on getting this particular model, but the price was too good. $141.49!!!
https://gun.deals/product/holosun-503gu-reflex-sight-wfree-mount-14149-shipped-use-make-offer-option#comments
If anyone else needs an optic, hop on that deal! Worst case, you sell it for the same amount or a tiny loss.
Wow, that's tempting. I had planned on a Deltapoint, but I don't think that price can be beat, and the GU model is the one I'd want...
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Just bought my optic, a Holosun HS503GU. Wasn't planning on getting this particular model, but the price was too good. $141.49!!!
https://gun.deals/product/holosun-503gu-reflex-sight-wfree-mount-14149-shipped-use-make-offer-option#comments
If anyone else needs an optic, hop on that deal! Worst case, you sell it for the same amount or a tiny loss.
Wow, that's tempting. I had planned on a Deltapoint, but I don't think that price can be beat, and the GU model is the one I'd want...
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If I were going for a red dot I would definitely pick that up. The longer I've waited the more I'm leaning away from a red dot (and even a holographic sight) and more toward a scope with a QD mount.
As for budget, I know the whole rule about spending as much on your optics as you did the rifle, but I would like to keep it on the lower end. The WAF is about $250 but I could probably stretch it a bit.
Are any of you running a 1-4x illuminated reticle scope? I'm looking at these. They're all SFP except for the illuminated Bushnell, which is first focal plane. I don't have any of the Vortex optics on here. Maybe it was some of the bad reviews I read on similar price points.
- Burris MTAC 1-4x24: $299
- Primary Arms 1-6x24 KISS Gen 3: $290
- Millett Tachtical DMS 1-6x24: $222
- Bushnell FFP 1-4x24: $205
- Mueller Speed Shot 1-4x24: $195
- Bushnell 1-4x24 (non illum): $110
As for mounts, I have it down between ADM ($150) and Bobro ($200), but could just pick up an Aero non-QD mount to save money. Or I could go with one of the QD mounts and a non-illuminated scope (and upgrade later...or not).
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I'm still a little dumbfounded by how expensive mounts are. If I were shooting in Tac Ops, I would definitely go with a magnified optic, but I'm trying to stay in the "budget" category.
If you don't mind buying used, you should take a look over on Brian Enos. So many used optics there at fantastic prices! I've heard good things about the Primary Arms 1-6.
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I've got two 1X4 Bushnells with the illuminated red dot in the center. Both mine are the 7.62X39 BDC versions. No issues so far.
I've got two 1X4 Bushnelss that are not illuminated. Both of those are the .223 versions. No issues with them either.
I own several older Bushnells (older like 35 years or more) and I'm never had any issue to complain about.
One (yes, older ones are surely made different than the newer ones) has survived on my M1A for almost 40 years. M1A's are supposed to be rough on scopes.
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Just bought my optic, a Holosun HS503GU. Wasn't planning on getting this particular model, but the price was too good. $141.49!!!
https://gun.deals/product/holosun-503gu-reflex-sight-wfree-mount-14149-shipped-use-make-offer-option#comments
If anyone else needs an optic, hop on that deal! Worst case, you sell it for the same amount or a tiny loss.
Wow, that's tempting. I had planned on a Deltapoint, but I don't think that price can be beat, and the GU model is the one I'd want...
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If I were going for a red dot I would definitely pick that up. The longer I've waited the more I'm leaning away from a red dot (and even a holographic sight) and more toward a scope with a QD mount.
As for budget, I know the whole rule about spending as much on your optics as you did the rifle, but I would like to keep it on the lower end. The WAF is about $250 but I could probably stretch it a bit.
Are any of you running a 1-4x illuminated reticle scope? I'm looking at these. They're all SFP except for the illuminated Bushnell, which is first focal plane. I don't have any of the Vortex optics on here. Maybe it was some of the bad reviews I read on similar price points.
- Burris MTAC 1-4x24: $299
- Primary Arms 1-6x24 KISS Gen 3: $290
- Millett Tachtical DMS 1-6x24: $222
- Bushnell FFP 1-4x24: $205
- Mueller Speed Shot 1-4x24: $195
- Bushnell 1-4x24 (non illum): $110
As for mounts, I have it down between ADM ($150) and Bobro ($200), but could just pick up an Aero non-QD mount to save money. Or I could go with one of the QD mounts and a non-illuminated scope (and upgrade later...or not).
I would also consider Leupold's VX-R with Firedot, or even the Mk AR with Firedot. They can be found used on fleabay well within your price range. I picked up my VX-R Patrol 3-9 for around $300. I looked through several optics with fully lighted reticles and don't like them at all for my purpose(hunting at dusk/dawn). The firedot is very unobtrusive, yet effective. I'm looking for another in 1.25-4x for my wife's .223. I also went with the Aero SPR mount. It's extremely lightweight and finished nicely. The one drawback is that when you torque the ring screws it rolls the scope towards that side. Took me a few tries to get it leveled. Before you spend money on a QD mount, are you sure you're going to swap optics regularly in the field? If not, it's a waste of money and added weight.
On my Grendel, I'll most likely buy a long range scope and QD mounts for it and the 3-9 since the gun serves a dual purpose. The aero mount will move over to the wife's .223 when I get the Leupold 1.25-4x.
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@SlvrDragon50 I know, right? I can't seem to find a budget QD mount that is well regarded. I may peruse the classifieds and eBay to see what's available. I guess if it's something with a lifetime transferable warranty, then I shouldn't be worried.
@M1A4ME Glad to know your Bushnell experience has been good. Are your illuminated ones first or second focal plane? The one I was looking at (the current model w/the throw down lever) is FFP and at 1X the reticle just looks like a dot. If you magnify out to 4X it becomes a usable BDC reticle. Of course, just when I think it's a good idea the folks over on the AR expert forums bash it as worthless. They say go SFP at that level of magnification.
@Earl Keese I almost put a Leupold on the list. I think they have a VR Patrol model that is closer to $400. I am thinking of the QD in part because I have flip-up BUIS that I bought when I was thinking red dot or Eotech. They seem kind of pointless as a back-up if you have an optic failure. I suppose I could sell those and get offset ones. Or I could put an Allen wrench in the grip storage.
I haven't been paying attention much to scopes on sale, other than it seems like PSA has a Vortex on sale every day (along with 10 PMAGs). Any particular vendors tend to run specials? The PA 1-6 scope ought to go on sale at some point, right?
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I have no idea what focal plane they are. Never worried about that. Is it clear/bright? Does it hold the zero. Does it last? If so, I'm good with it.
I see some good magazine deals at Palmetto State Armory. I usually buy the aluminum/GI magazines but I have bought PMags from them.
I've got the Primary Arms 1X6 on my DPMS GII. It's okay. I find it harder to keep that dot centered on a target than cross hairs. It helps to play with the power setting to make the dot bigger and turn the light on so that I'm centering a big red dot on a slightly bigger black dot (that's for shooting paper. Not an issue for self defense/larger groups.
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I don't know if you'll find a VX-R Patrol new for $400, but they have a lifetime warranty so I bought used. I was going to buy a new std VX-R, but the Patrol is in mils and I wanted to try it.
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I don't know if you'll find a VX-R Patrol new for $400, but they have a lifetime warranty so I bought used. I was going to buy a new std VX-R, but the Patrol is in mils and I wanted to try it.
I might have misread a price earlier. The lowest I've seen it is $440 from an Ebay wholesaler (says it's new, excellent seller rating). What do you think of the push-button illumination control on the VX-R? I like the auto-off/motion sensor, but think I would prefer a dial. Burris also has a newer model of the MTAC with a cleaner reticle (AR 5X reticle), which I've found for $305 new. There's a refurb of the older CQ reticle for $234, but I don't like the big ring reticle.
Lots of used deals around for Vortex Strike Eagles, too. I'm also looking into a couple scopes from Atibal and Sightmark. I've got a 3-9x40 Sightmark on my 7mm-08 bolt gun and like it. [EDIT: I have a Sightron scope!] Atibal is Japanese glass, I think, but assembled in China. I've taken a few off the list, like Millett Tactical (no warranty info on their website that I can find, even though they are now owned by Bushnell). Definitely need a rock solid warranty.
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I like the button just fine on the Leupold, it's very well made and not difficult at all to operate. In the many reviews and comparisons I read, the firedot came out on top. The other feature that attracted me was weight, as the Firedot scopes tend to be lighter than competitors. My barrel has finally shipped, so I'll get some field time with it soon. So far I've only used it from the bench and I'm very pleased. That said, the VXR isn't available in a true 1x, so the Burris has the advantage there if you plan to use it like a red dot. You really need to try to get to a big box store and look through as many scopes as possible- especially because of the lighted reticle.
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Just got my Holosun in. Great looking reticle, but unfortunatley one of the mount holes are partially stripped, and the screws can't grab onto the threading so I will likely have to replace the optic.
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I like the button just fine on the Leupold, it's very well made and not difficult at all to operate. In the many reviews and comparisons I read, the firedot came out on top. The other feature that attracted me was weight, as the Firedot scopes tend to be lighter than competitors. My barrel has finally shipped, so I'll get some field time with it soon. So far I've only used it from the bench and I'm very pleased. That said, the VXR isn't available in a true 1x, so the Burris has the advantage there if you plan to use it like a red dot. You really need to try to get to a big box store and look through as many scopes as possible- especially because of the lighted reticle.
I dropped into Bass Pro today...didn't have much time but looked at a Sig Romeo red dot, an Eotech XPS2-0, and a Vortex Strike Eagle. I am glad I did. Between my corrected vision and cross-dominant eye, the red dot was a host of flares instead of a single aiming point. The Eotech was better in that the reticle didn't duplicate, but it was not crisp like I expected. It was as if an electric current was running through the lines. The Vortex reticle was perfect and the brightness seemed like it would work in daylight. The shortened eye relief was apparent but I still preferred it to the Sig and Eotech.
By that point I had to leave. I would have liked to have checked out a Leupold Deltapoint Pro to see if it differed much from a tubular red dot.
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Just got my Holosun in. Great looking reticle, but unfortunatley one of the mount holes are partially stripped, and the screws can't grab onto the threading so I will likely have to replace the optic.
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Man that sucks about the sight. And you got such a good deal on it.
That SLR hand guard looks sweet!
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You had the same conclusion as me on the Eotech. Really surprised me. I heard they were more fuzzy than reflex, but it was absolutely AWFUL. You should take a look at the prismatic sights too, those were sooooo crisp. I really like this Holosun (SIG Romeo) though, very crisp, can get very bright too.
I imagine Botach will just send me a replacement.
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Those SLR rails just look and feel great, don't they?
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Those SLR rails just look and feel great, don't they?
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Yes indeed!! From my limited experience. It?s pretty hard to hold t comfortably without the lower and stock :P
I want to put the foregrip on, but I wasn?t sure where it would be comfortable. I?m just debating whether or not I wanna waste $30 on the red accent pieces for the SLR!
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If the other red dot sights were fuzzy/distorted the DP Pro probably will be, too.
Mine is. The round dot model has a sort of curved tail hanging off the bottom. The triangle model has a faint second triangle to the left/bottom of the bright one. Unless I wear my special glasses ($5 Walmart reading glasses).
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Eotech's are a little more fuzzy to me than red dots
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I'm thinking about AR for a good year now and I think i will finally make my move.
I'm still not sure if to build or just buy the whole thing. Love the Sig M400 Elite Ti's. But I'm sure I can build one for a lot less.
For optics I will most likely go vortex. I think they are nicely priced and people that own them say a lot of good things.
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You had the same conclusion as me on the Eotech. Really surprised me. I heard they were more fuzzy than reflex, but it was absolutely AWFUL. You should take a look at the prismatic sights too, those were sooooo crisp. I really like this Holosun (SIG Romeo) though, very crisp, can get very bright too.
I imagine Botach will just send me a replacement.
I've been reading up on the prism scopes and plan to check them out in person. Everyone says they are the solution to those with astigmatism who struggle with a red dot.
A Vortex Spitfire AR 1X or a Burris AR-332 are within my budget. And I can add an ADM quick release base for about $75. Anyone know how close you can use a 3X?
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You had the same conclusion as me on the Eotech. Really surprised me. I heard they were more fuzzy than reflex, but it was absolutely AWFUL. You should take a look at the prismatic sights too, those were sooooo crisp. I really like this Holosun (SIG Romeo) though, very crisp, can get very bright too.
I imagine Botach will just send me a replacement.
I've been reading up on the prism scopes and plan to check them out in person. Everyone says they are the solution to those with astigmatism who struggle with a red dot.
A Vortex Spitfire AR 1X or a Burris AR-332 are within my budget. And I can add an ADM quick release base for about $75. Anyone know how close you can use a 3X?
If you buy the AR332, wait for the deal that includes a Fastfire 3.
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Since my barrel finally came in, I had to decide on an upper receiver. Ordered this one today, no weight listed, hope it doesn't weigh a ton.
https://rouschsports.com/shop/ar15-upper-parts/side-charging-non-reciprocating-upper-receiver-newest-and-best-available/
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You had the same conclusion as me on the Eotech. Really surprised me. I heard they were more fuzzy than reflex, but it was absolutely AWFUL. You should take a look at the prismatic sights too, those were sooooo crisp. I really like this Holosun (SIG Romeo) though, very crisp, can get very bright too.
I imagine Botach will just send me a replacement.
I've been reading up on the prism scopes and plan to check them out in person. Everyone says they are the solution to those with astigmatism who struggle with a red dot.
A Vortex Spitfire AR 1X or a Burris AR-332 are within my budget. And I can add an ADM quick release base for about $75. Anyone know how close you can use a 3X?
If you buy the AR332, wait for the deal that includes a Fastfire 3.
I agree. This deal comes around pretty often.
Holosun sent me a replacement red dot USPS priority, comes tomorrow. Botach had absolutely awful customer service...
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If you buy the AR332, wait for the deal that includes a Fastfire 3.
I emailed Burris and they said:
Hello Scott,
That particular promotion is not slotted in this year. We have not decided on what promotions to run in 2018 as of yet, but I am sure this may be a candidate again.
Thank You,
Burris Technical Support #4
1-888-440-0244
https://burris.supportsync.com
So as everyone has said I'm sure it's coming soon.
On a related note I stopped by Cabela's and looked at the AR-332. It was crisp of course but didn't seem to have as much eye relief as the TAC30. I wonder if the Spitfire AR is better.
I did also look through the Fastfire 3. The dot wasn't as bad. It still seemed like three dots clustered instead of one crisp dot, but it wasn't a comet like the Sig Romeo. Maybe it's the reflex design? Anyhow, I think it might work for me at short range. I don't think I'll buy anything until I get my eyes checked later this month.
The sales guy, John, was really helpful. We talked at length about 3-gun and IPDA shooting up in Cleveland, TN (2nd and 3rd Saturday's of the month, reapectively). That alone was worth the trip.
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A buddy of mine shoots 3GUN in Cleveland and Knoxville. You should go watch the Cleveland match, it's huge. Really nice people too. I'd be surprised if they didn't offer to let you shoot a stage to try it out. I had no less than 5 strangers offer to let me borrow their equipment to give it a try.
Even if you can't use the FF3, you can sell it to offset the cost of the AR332. I've done it twice, only I keep the FF3 and sell the AR332.
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If you buy the AR332, wait for the deal that includes a Fastfire 3.
I emailed Burris and they said:
Hello Scott,
That particular promotion is not slotted in this year. We have not decided on what promotions to run in 2018 as of yet, but I am sure this may be a candidate again.
Thank You,
Burris Technical Support #4
1-888-440-0244
https://burris.supportsync.com
So as everyone has said I'm sure it's coming soon.
On a related note I stopped by Cabela's and looked at the AR-332. It was crisp of course but didn't seem to have as much eye relief as the TAC30. I wonder if the Spitfire AR is better.
I did also look through the Fastfire 3. The dot wasn't as bad. It still seemed like three dots clustered instead of one crisp dot, but it wasn't a comet like the Sig Romeo. Maybe it's the reflex design? Anyhow, I think it might work for me at short range. I don't think I'll buy anything until I get my eyes checked later this month.
The sales guy, John, was really helpful. We talked at length about 3-gun and IPDA shooting up in Cleveland, TN (2nd and 3rd Saturday's of the month, reapectively). That alone was worth the trip.
The Spitfire Prism is super crisp with hypothetically good eye relief (held it up, not mounted)! I'm pretty sure you'll like it. Check it out for sure. The Romeo and Fastfire are both reflex sights I thought? Also, did you mess around with changing the brightness as well?
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Since my barrel finally came in, I had to decide on an upper receiver. Ordered this one today, no weight listed, hope it doesn't weigh a ton.
https://rouschsports.com/shop/ar15-upper-parts/side-charging-non-reciprocating-upper-receiver-newest-and-best-available/
I'm very much interested in how this works for you.
I like the idea of a side-charging AR (charging handle in the same spot as an FN-FAL or a Scorpion), but I know there have been problematic brands (I don't remember who DSArms bought them from, but they weren't reliable and all were replaced with conventional uppers).
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This all has me thinking about my first build... that I started pre-election with a stripped lower and then tabled.
I?m glad I waited actually because now I want a pistol build instead of a rifle build... something with a shockwave brace and law tactical folder.
Of course, since all I have in hand is the lower I?m also contemplating just buying a completed pistol LOL
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Since my barrel finally came in, I had to decide on an upper receiver. Ordered this one today, no weight listed, hope it doesn't weigh a ton.
https://rouschsports.com/shop/ar15-upper-parts/side-charging-non-reciprocating-upper-receiver-newest-and-best-available/
I'm very much interested in how this works for you.
I like the idea of a side-charging AR (charging handle in the same spot as an FN-FAL or a Scorpion), but I know there have been problematic brands (I don't remember who DSArms bought them from, but they weren't reliable and all were replaced with conventional uppers).
The upper arrived today, very impressed with the shipping/processing time from Rousch. It's a little heavy at 14oz, but assembled on my rifle it doesn't feel bad. I have a slick side upper that's 6oz for comparison. Some observations- B.A.D. lever won't clear the bolt release recess, anti rotation tabs don't need to be removed but do need trimming. Fit to my Aero lowers is very nice, no wiggle at all.
Things that make this upper different from the other non-recips are the fwd assist, ejection port cvr, doesn't require special cam pin, the charging handle doesn't protrude from the rear of the upper, machined for anti rotation tabs. Cycling by hand is nice and smooth and the handle has a detent that locks it in the closed position. I'll check back in after I take it to the range.
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The Spitfire Prism is super crisp with hypothetically good eye relief (held it up, not mounted)! I'm pretty sure you'll like it. Check it out for sure. The Romeo and Fastfire are both reflex sights I thought? Also, did you mess around with changing the brightness as well?
I think the battery was low on the Romeo, which may have added to the problem. Didn't mess around with the Fastfire much. Just a couple clicks on the illumination.
I ended up ordering a Spitfire AR from Optics Planet today. I have seen them on EBay for as low as 209.95 new. OP had it for 249.00 (still about 30% off). I chatted with them online and got them to match EBay. I also ordered an American Defense QD mount (65.00), but it's backordered. Might see if I can find it elsewhere. I think I'll like the optic and am glad to stay relatively w/in budget.
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Like others have said, a good trigger and barrel are essential if you're serious about competition shooting. 16" barrel is plenty for 3 gun.The ALG trigger is best solution unless you're a benchrest shooter. Couple it with a Blackhole Weaponry barrel and you are on your way.You can buy a BHW barrel from SAA and they will give you a stripped upper.I've built so many for myself and others, I've lost count, but the upper you build will outshoot the upper you buy if you do it right. My favorite build has made believers out of guys at a range near me when they challenged me at 25 yards for accuracy. I told them I wasn't a shooter, but my rifle was and after they each (3 of them) put 5 rounds each into a target, I dumped 2- 20 rd mags into one 2 inch hole using a red dot-silence ensued.The BHW barrel is key.Installing it with a reaction rod also makes a world of difference as you don't torque load the upper (kinda' like warping it) so your rifle repeats placement, less fliers. Aero Precision makes good parts as does PSA and others. Used lots of both, and current rifle is a PSA limited run actually done by FN before they went commercial. Only made about 500 of them. Other favorite was an Umbrella Corp SPR build and of course I named her "Alice".Good luck on your build, need any help or info, yell out.
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LOL
2 inches at 25 yards. WOW
I would get rid of ANY AR that couldn't do that.
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For those of you looking to build or change an upper, consider one of these handguards from STNGR. I just got one, great price, great quality, great strength/weight/value!
https://www.stngrusa.com/
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@SlvrDragon50 How is your build coming? I went with a Vortex Spitfire AR. While I can't cowitness my irons, the prism scope construction works with my eyesight. And I put it on an American Defense quick release base. I've also added a Streamlight Pro Tac light and an Asaka finger stop. If I could change anything it would be the trigger (that and I'll do enhanced pivot/take-down pins on my next build). The ALG QMS trigger is really great for a mil spec design. No complaints other than I'd like the pull to be just a little lighter. I'm going to experiment with some JP Enterprises springs ($10). If I'd bought the ALG ACT trigger instead it would have come with a reduced power spring.
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@Earl Keese Are you still working on your 6.5 Grendel build? How is the Faxon group buy barrel? I picked up another lower on Black Friday and am planning a 6.5 Grendel rig for hunting. The 18" gunner barrel seems perfect. I wonder if there are any left.
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I did get it finished. The used Leupold scope i bought wasn't holding zero, haven't gotten it back from Leupold yet. With a SWFA 16x on it currently, it will shoot sub moa @100 with Hornady ELD-M and SST. With Hornady American Gunner 123gr it shoots right at MOA. Regarding the barrel, I'm pleased for what I spent on it. I really like the melonite finish as opposed to bare stainless. Whether the 5R-EE rifling will be a benefit, I dunno. For my purpose, I'd buy it again. I think it'll shoot tighter groups, I've only had it out once with the SWFA scope and forgot most of my ammo at home. This week the weather should be better so I'll know more.
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Forgot about this thread. I finished it a while ago, and I didn't lube it enough when I first got it so I had some troubles, but it shoots great now! Not fun to shoot indoors though ::)
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I did get it finished. The used Leupold scope i bought wasn't holding zero, haven't gotten it back from Leupold yet. With a SWFA 16x on it currently, it will shoot sub moa @100 with Hornady ELD-M and SST. With Hornady American Gunner 123gr it shoots right at MOA. Regarding the barrel, I'm pleased for what I spent on it. I really like the melonite finish as opposed to bare stainless. Whether the 5R-EE rifling will be a benefit, I dunno. For my purpose, I'd buy it again. I think it'll shoot tighter groups, I've only had it out once with the SWFA scope and forgot most of my ammo at home. This week the weather should be better so I'll know more.
Thanks. I'm going to try to get in on that group buy. It's still the best price I've found on a match grade Grendel barrel. Plus, being a hunting rig I don't need a heavy barrel. And like you, I am looking forward to this week's heat wave! It's the last week of the season in Georgia and the deer haven't been moving as much with the cold.
@SlvrDragon50 Nice! How do you like the SI angled foregrip? I had been considering that one.
There's an outdoor range I go to that has a covered roof. Depending on the brake it can be pretty rough there, too!
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If the 18" GB would have been further along, I would've gone that route. They're shipping, so your timing is good. I had to wait for mine.
Also, I don't believe the group buy barrels are the same as the "Gunner" profile. Faxon manufactures them to BFT's specs. That said, BFT is a 6.5Gr guy and knows what he's doing.
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I did get it finished. The used Leupold scope i bought wasn't holding zero, haven't gotten it back from Leupold yet. With a SWFA 16x on it currently, it will shoot sub moa @100 with Hornady ELD-M and SST. With Hornady American Gunner 123gr it shoots right at MOA. Regarding the barrel, I'm pleased for what I spent on it. I really like the melonite finish as opposed to bare stainless. Whether the 5R-EE rifling will be a benefit, I dunno. For my purpose, I'd buy it again. I think it'll shoot tighter groups, I've only had it out once with the SWFA scope and forgot most of my ammo at home. This week the weather should be better so I'll know more.
Thanks. I'm going to try to get in on that group buy. It's still the best price I've found on a match grade Grendel barrel. Plus, being a hunting rig I don't need a heavy barrel. And like you, I am looking forward to this week's heat wave! It's the last week of the season in Georgia and the deer haven't been moving as much with the cold.
@SlvrDragon50 Nice! How do you like the SI angled foregrip? I had been considering that one.
There's an outdoor range I go to that has a covered roof. Depending on the brake it can be pretty rough there, too!
The SI angled foregrip is real comfortable. Just so many different possible ways of gripping that there's bound to be one style you like. It comes in at a good price point too.