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Curio and Relic CZs / Re: Inherited CZ 27 from WW2
« Last post by aguila9 on Today at 08:39:47 AM »
I would love to see a pic so we can assess it's condition. It's great to see old weapons in real condition not some museum piece.

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AMMO & HANDLOADING / Re: I got this dumb feeling!
« Last post by IDescribe on Today at 08:25:38 AM »
Sorry about the above post. My answers are in there but I never seem to post the quotes and responses correctly.

I'll go sit in the corner with the hat on now. :-\

You would have needed to quote/insert my post into your response three separate times, then inside each quote, delete all but the one statement you want to respond to, THEN respond to them individually after the html quote tag.  ;)



As to the case lengthening during sizing:

It will likely elongate the case .001-.003. 

I probably shouldn't have said likely.  I should have said that it does, and I just went and checked with five cases, and all of them were elongated between .001-.003.  ;)    The reason I used likely is that I'm sure some examples will fall outside that range.  It may even differ, in fact probably DOES differ, based on what type of sizing die you're using, as well as lube. 

I've already found a case that's .751.  I'm probably going to resize it and use that case in the future for my normal method of loading shorter, shorter, shorter until it plunks and spins. 
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AMMO & HANDLOADING / Re: 124 Gr. RMR Hardcore Match Round Nose Plated
« Last post by baldrage on Today at 08:24:57 AM »
Please post measurements of the 124 FMJ FN bullets and results of your plunk test when you get them.

FYI, I sent RMR a note asking about availability of hard core plated HPs and they replied that all of the Hard Core match plated bullets are being discontinued in favor of their new FMJs
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CLUB CZ97 / Re: Wanting my first 97, I have questions :)
« Last post by rdcinhou on Today at 08:18:58 AM »
Whereabouts in Texas? There are a number of dealers throughout the state that can get CZs easier than others.
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CZ Center fire Rifles / I
« Last post by jkingrph on Today at 08:02:47 AM »
The first question is what are you going to use the rifle for.  Is it to be used as a bench gun for target shooting, a varmint rifle or a walk around hunting rifle.   If the first two, a larger higher power.  For the latter  a smaller lower power,  I think some of the straight tube scopes, like the 1-4 or 1.5-5 x  scopes look best on a small gun like this.  Just my opinion.
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Interesting point.  The funny thing is a friend of mine will only carry striker-fired appendix b/c he's afraid that with a hammer-fired something could bump the hammer forward during carriage and cause a discharge but is comforted that with striker-fired, there's nothing to bump externally.  Needless to say, he's the biggest proponent of Glock I know. 

Well, you might explain to your friend that mechanically the hammer can't be bumped like that unless there is something mechanically wrong with the gun...

Personally I would not carry cocked and locked, though, simply because I do not care for thumb safeties. I have yet to find many that are ergonomic for my hands and I find few that really give me a sense of positive engagement/disengagement.   

Personally, I prefer hammer-fired, but I'm intrigued to try the P-10C.

I quite like mine. It is a great out of the box gun... and works well for my purposes as a range/teaching gun with new shooters.
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CZ Polymer Pistols, the new wave / Re: What holsters fit the P-10C?
« Last post by nova3930 on Today at 07:52:52 AM »
Anyone got a line of P10 holsters with Surefire XC1?  IWB or OWB.
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Ernest Langdon recently posted this on pistol-forum:

Semi-Auto Triggers: market trends, choices, and consequences

"OK, so here is a statement that many will not like. This whole thing is the gun communities own fault!

The race has been on to see which manufacturer could build a gun with the shortest and lightest trigger on a striker fired gun for years. Between the aftermarket kits for striker fired guns to the updates to current guns from major manufacturers and new guns hitting the market, it is pretty clear that the customers want as close to a 1911 trigger as they can get, but with no manual safety. The whole culture has gone to the bull!@## bravado of "keep your booger hook off the bang switch dude" mentality. We have developed an acceptance for basically single action guns with no safeties. I have been around long enough to remember when a certain striker fired gun hit the market and most of the top guys in the community thought it was ridiculous to have a trigger that short and light with no safety. But here we are, about 30 years later and all anyone wants is a short light trigger on a striker fired a gun. Not to mention all the people that complain about the trigger tab.

When the 320 hit the market, everyone was raving about how great the trigger was and the fact that it did not have a trigger tab. Here we have a fully cocked gun, with no external safety of any kind, and we thought it was great. Sales went through the roof and almost nobody said, hey wait a minute, physics are at play here, what kind of weird magic are they using to keep that thing from firing when it hits the ground. Every other manufacturer that builds a striker fired gun has some kind of trigger tab that keeps the gun from firing when it gets dropped. And what was our answer? "Shut up man, keep your booger hook off the bang switch dude".

At what point will we accept the fact that we are all not Tier One Operators and these things are threat management tools, not just toys we use at the range. If you're so damn good that you never make mistakes and you can use a 1911 with no safeties, then learn how to shoot a gun that sets an example for the rest of us mere mortals.

I for one make mistakes, get scared, and do stupid stuff some times. I will just be over here in the corner with my TDA guns trying to learn how to shoot them better."

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?27185-Semi-Auto-Triggers-market-trends-choices-and-consequences&p=636274&viewfull=1#post636274
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Striker-fired guns without thumb safeties are notorious for NDs when being reholstered. They are essentially single-action guns (especially in the day and age of fully-tensioned strikers where all the trigger does is release the striker!) and the shooter have ZERO feedback of what is going on with the gun as it goes back into the holster.

Can they be carried safely? Yes, of course... but it requires one to be 110% diligent when reholstering every single time, particularly with appendix carry. The holster must be visually inspected to confirm it is clear of any clothing or foreign objects and the gun must be inserted with some care in case something was missed. Side note: i order my carry holsters these days in bright orange kydex so I can truly see down in the holster before I reinsert the gun...

With a hammer-fired gun, properly decocked to DA or SA with the safety engaged, reholstering is a safer affair, as any movement of the trigger translates to the hammer and you can feel a problem before, you know, hearing and feeling it ;-)

A good holster is a true requirement, but safe handling is really the key. A hammer just gives you more feedback so you can be safer.

Interesting point.  The funny thing is a friend of mine will only carry striker-fired appendix b/c he's afraid that with a hammer-fired something could bump the hammer forward during carriage and cause a discharge but is comforted that with striker-fired, there's nothing to bump externally.  Needless to say, he's the biggest proponent of Glock I know. 

Personally, I prefer hammer-fired, but I'm intrigued to try the P-10C. 
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CLUB CZ97 / Re: Wanting my first 97, I have questions :)
« Last post by t107 on Today at 07:46:07 AM »
Yes lots of great info!
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