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Re: Thoughts on the old CZ75 "tough metal" legend
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2017, 01:44:15 PM »
I don't have any juicy, Red October history on the pistol for you, sorry.  Who knows how this Capt Ramius was able to defect. 

Do you agree based on the serial number evidence that it is very likely the second CZ75 produced?

The number ranges are pretty wacky.  It simply doesn't seem possible that 1001 guns were made in 1975 before this one.

Looking at this youtube video where this guy tours the CZ factory they show him the first gun off the line and it's number is 00001. She says it was made in 1975 but there are some small differences like the grips and the hammer shape. I'm thinking the first production guns for distributions made in 1975 started with 10001. So in that sense yours would be #2.
https://youtu.be/t5xmDEIQ9RA?t=2m36s

 I was just hoping you could share how it came into your possession? I'm in the US and I have a 1977 model and a 1978 model both found on gunbroker before the prices went insane. I love the history of these pistols.

So the first gun off the line was 00001.  It was made simply to be the first and to be hung on a wall at the company.

Then the first run of 54 guns was made, starting with 01001 to 01054?

I imagine the number ranges were purposely embellished to bolster the image?   

If so, it would be interesting to know the system used.  My 1977 is 11692.  That would be quite a few guns in 1977 to get to 11692.

I guess this is what I was thinking also. My '77 is 11169.

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Thoughts on the old CZ75 "tough metal" legend
« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2017, 02:40:46 PM »
I also have the book referenced by the OP back in 2009 but in Czech. Per the Zrození Legendy book by Pazdera-Skramoušský (2005), a rough translation from Czech appears to indicate that 5 acquisition  patterns/samples and validation series (akviziční vzorky a ověřovací série) were produced in 1975 with serial numbers 00001 to 00005. The one in the video matches the 00001 serial number. These were used for testing functional reliability and accuracy among several criteria. E.g., the book states that in June 1975, ser. no. 00003 was used in a 5,000 rounds test. There were questions with accuracy and was considered the biggest weakness of the design at the time.
In another book by the same co-authors, it states that in March 1976 the "ČZ model 75" was approved and released for series production, which officially commenced on 1 June 1977.
Unfortunately, no information on the serial number scheme beyond the first five samples is provided and also no data on what the pistols beyond these first five were used for before approval for serial production. Based on the serial numbers on both of your 1977 pistols that you have both graciously supplied, one might be tempted to think it possibly started with 10000 or 11000 so there would be a gap of unused serial numbers. Also, there would be gaps (possibly for control purposes) between acquisition patterns/samples and future patterns as the pistol was developed for serial production approval in March 1976. All the more fascinating with these gaps in information!
There is a photo in the books of ser. no. 01010 from 1975 that is a mere few numbers away from Clausewitz's no.  01002. The photo is b/w so it's difficult to compare the finishes (it almost looks brushed) between the two. Thanks for sharing the photos and updating this old thread.

Edit - one other note regarding serial numbers, there is a photo of prototype no. 002 in the book which appears to bolster the case for jumping around with serial number ranges for specific pistols during this period.
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Re: Thoughts on the old CZ75 "tough metal" legend
« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2017, 02:53:56 PM »
I've seen the pics of 01010.  It can be found in this thread, login info is in the thread and still works:

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?43222-CZ75-from-1975-S-N-01010



Here is 01049 from this site:



http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=2459.180


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Re: Thoughts on the old CZ75 "tough metal" legend
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2017, 03:19:46 PM »
I am glad this thread got bumped. Interesting stuff.
Will work for CZ pics! (including but not limited to all CZ clones)

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Re: Thoughts on the old CZ75 "tough metal" legend
« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2017, 03:25:51 PM »
I am glad this thread got bumped. Interesting stuff.

So true.  I love this stuff.

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Re: Thoughts on the old CZ75 "tough metal" legend
« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2017, 05:08:41 PM »
Curious as this was mentioned in another thread about how magazines were etched with the last three digits of the serial number of the pistol with which they were shipped.  Do you have the original magazines for 01002 and are they etched with the last three digits of the serial numbers?

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Re: Thoughts on the old CZ75 "tough metal" legend
« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2017, 01:08:43 PM »
You're correct!  Usually the last 3 digits are etched onto the mag.

I guess CZ went the extra mile in 1975:




Unfortunately it didn't come with a box or test target.

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Re: Thoughts on the old CZ75 "tough metal" legend
« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2017, 01:35:13 PM »
Yep....that's different as well as the location of the etching. Mag body looks the same as 80s production. Thanks.

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Re: Thoughts on the old CZ75 "tough metal" legend
« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2017, 01:42:12 PM »
Yup.  I usually find it down by the base plate.

It only came with one mag.

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Re: Thoughts on the old CZ75 "tough metal" legend
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Re: Thoughts on the old CZ75 "tough metal" legend
« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2017, 03:56:06 PM »
I picked a pre B 75 a few months ago in the original foam box with a cardboard sleeve.
It states CZ Model 75 exported by Merkuria, Praha. With a serial number of D 9127.
It is in mint condition, nor sure it had been fired before a shot a few mags. If anyone
has any info on the time period, that would be great.
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Re: Thoughts on the old CZ75 "tough metal" legend
« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2017, 04:40:59 PM »
That sounds like a 1990 with that serial number if you can't determine the 2-digit year marked on the oval racetrack on the slide above the extractor. Sounds like you got a nice one. Post a photo for us....we love to see CZs

 

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