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Offline trailblazer02

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NEED CZ 83 Capacity clarification please!!!
« on: February 24, 2010, 07:46:39 AM »
i'm considering a CZ83 for purchase, ammo situation not withstanding.

my ?? concerns mag capacity. i've seen mostly 10 & 12 round capacity, with an occasional gun with 13 capacity.

why are there 3 options? is one an older model? are mags hard to find?

single or double stack?

my last question is the fit of the grip in my hand. is the 12 or 13 handle much bigger than the 10?

 thanx in advance,
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Offline fullerb1

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Re: NEED CZ 83 Capacity clarification please!!!
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2010, 08:53:36 AM »
They have different mags available I believe. There is no difference in the grip. If it is .380ACP it should be a 10 or 12 round mag. If a 12 round mag you can put one in the pipe for a 13 round capacity. This is also true for 9 x 18 makarov ammo. In certain states (Kalifonia comes to mind), you can only have a maximum 10 round mag. I do not have any experience with the 10 round mags but the 12 rounders are double stack mags.
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Offline ejs

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Re: NEED CZ 83 Capacity clarification please!!!
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2010, 10:25:07 AM »
The 10 rounders are double stack too.

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Offline mmanetta

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Re: NEED CZ 83 Capacity clarification please!!!
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2010, 11:38:22 PM »
Actually,

I bought three of the CZ-82 (9mm Makarov) magazines for a CZ-83 in .380. The CZ-82 magazines - holding 12 rds. for 9mm Makarov - will hold 13 rds. of .380 for CZ-83. That is where the 13-round capacity comes from. I have tried them out and they function fine in my pistol.

Offline mmanetta

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Re: NEED CZ 83 Capacity clarification please!!!
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2010, 11:56:15 PM »
Oh yeah,

So, if you include the CZ-82 magazines, there really are three capacity options: 10, 12, and 13 rounds (CZ-82) for CZ-83 .380 magazines. My new gun originally came with the 10-round (California Legal) mags. They have the same apparent dimensions (side by side comparison) as the CZ-82 mags. The only difference I think I see is that the base is longer for the 10-rd mag thus reducing the amount of space for ammo in the magazine tube (I think the actual tube is shorter for the 10 rd. mags as well but overall length is same).

Offline fullerb1

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Re: NEED CZ 83 Capacity clarification please!!!
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2010, 01:16:52 AM »
That makes sense with the Makarov ammo being a little bit bigger in diameter than the .380 is. I only wish I could find a mag with even greater capacity than 12 for my 82 :)
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Offline billjohnso20

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Re: NEED CZ 83 Capacity clarification please!!!
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2010, 05:38:50 PM »
You can easily make the 12 round 82 magazine into a 13 round magazine. Take your mag apart, remove the follower from the spring, and use a hacksaw to remove the thickness of a 9x18 cartridge from the bottom of the 2 inch long follower. You might even be able to remove enough to allow the mag to hold 14 9x18 rounds. However, removing material from the follower could cause the mag spring to over-compress, shortening the life of the spring.

Before anyone balks at this suggestion, from what I've been told by friends who shoot Glocks, Glock did this with some of their models as a marketing tactic to increase sales be increasing capacity. This was done so they could better compete with dimensionally similar guns be offering higher capacities. It worked too. The draw back is that one must replace the mag springs periodically. Glock recommends replacing their mag springs every 2000 rounds or every 2 years. Again, I don't own a Glock (and won't ever own one). This is just what I've been told.

I did have to remove a small amount, a few millimeters, from one of my mags though. It wouldn't hold the twelfth 9x18 round. The follower in that mag was a touch longer than the followers in my other 82 mags.
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Offline Neverfox

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Re: NEED CZ 83 Capacity clarification please!!!
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2010, 10:18:13 PM »
Not that this matters if you are going with the 83 instead of the 82, but the 10-round mag will only hold nine 9x18 rounds for some reason, even though the 12-round mag is 12 for both.
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Re: NEED CZ 83 Capacity clarification please!!!
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2010, 11:07:20 PM »
Unless of course you want one in .32 ACP.  Then the magazine capacity is 15 rounds.

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Offline morglum_s

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Re: NEED CZ 83 Capacity clarification please!!!
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2010, 06:06:36 PM »
Just to add the confusion.  The brand new 83 (Stainless) I just got can take 13...

 

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