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Offline jwc007

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Re: Newbie Questinos on TZ 75 and EAA Witness
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2010, 12:12:10 AM »
You are most Welcome!  ;D
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Re: Newbie Questinos on TZ 75 and EAA Witness
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2010, 01:36:01 AM »
Generally, actual Stainless versions will command between $100 to $300 premium over standard values, depending upon condition.  In the end it's worth what someone's willing to pay for it.  The general collector market is a bit dampened these days, along with the rest of the economy.  Hopefully, you will find a Collector who wants it very badly!

I fully agree with your logic on getting a newer Witness if you want to use conversion units.

Beyond just being more practical for me to own a newer pistol, it seems a shame to potentially scuff up what is essentially a collectors item. Hopefully I'll find who someone wants the Witness on this forum. I'm thinking I might include the Tz-75 88 and make it a package deal.

Did I understand you correctly that Tz slides don't routinely fit on Witnesses?

If that's the case, it seems a shame to break up the pair (although I bought both from different owners). I'll try and post pics tomorrow.

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Re: Newbie Questinos on TZ 75 and EAA Witness
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2010, 12:47:54 AM »
Did I understand you correctly that Tz slides don't routinely fit on Witnesses?

Again, it's not that simple. (When is it ever?)  The Universal Large frame practice did not start until around the 2005/2006 Model year, if memory serves me correctly.  AE Series Large Frame Witnesses were chambered in .45 ACP and .38 Super.  The AE Small Frame Witnesses were chambered in 9mm, .41 AE, and later .40 S&W, with the .41 AE being discontinued in favor of the .40 S&W.  Now herein lies the rub.  Your Series 88 TZ75 should be directly compatible with all AE series Small Frame Witnesses, but not anything but some small parts in the AE Large Frame.  With the introduction of the EA series in the mid-1990's, dimensional tolerances and some design changed on Frames and Slides, even on the Small Frames.

BTW, before you sell them, care to post pics of your Tanfoglio Pistols?  Would be nice to see them.
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Re: Newbie Questinos on TZ 75 and EAA Witness
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2010, 02:27:48 AM »
I just joined the forum after looking for information on the Witness line of pistols. I have four EAA Witness pistols. Two 10mm, blue pistols (AE92xxx, AE89xxx), one 38 Super, wonder finish, (AE86xxx) and one, wonder finish, 45 ACP (EA33xxx). I have tried switching the slides around on all four pistols and it works. The fit of the slides is loser on each individual pistol, even the two AE slides when frames are switched is looser on frame AE92xxx and AE 89xxx. All three of the AE slides work on the EA frame. Both 10mm frames have 'cat 7442' stamped on the left side, and AE 89xxx is stamped 'Mod. TA10' on the left side. All four pistols have been shot very little and were purchased new, but were the last ones in the store or at the gunshow, but seem loose when compared to a Kimber 1911. I have fired the 38 Super the most, maybe 600 rounds, and it experienced feed problems. New magazines and a 18 pound recoil spring appears to have fixed the problem. I lost faith in the pistol and did not use it after the failure to feeds where the slide was in the rear position and would not strip a cartridge from the magazine. After carefull examination of the 38 Super I discovered that the firing pin was sticking in the fired position when dry fired. I ordered a new firing pin from Brownells after dealing with EAA service over the phone. It was cheaper to buy a new firing pin than ship the pistol to Florida and back home at my own expense. After I installed the new firing pin I discovered that it would stick in the fired position also when fired. I took it to the dealer and was told that one of the kids who worked there (he was fired after the guy who purchased the 9mm returned it), had taken two of the Witness pistols apart, a 9mm and the 38 Super I purchased, in order to compare the differences in the old frame sizes, and to determine if he could swith slide assemblies around. I shelved the pistol for several years along with both 10mms due to fear of using them and having one fire a cartridge before it was locked in the firing position. I cured the problem with a longer firing pin spring in the 38 Super. I purchased the spring from a hardware store just to see if that cured the problem. I weighed each spring by inserting a dowel rod through the center and adding washer and a one pound weight on top of the hand held rod on top of the work bench and used my dial calipers to measure spring compression and the diameter of the coils. I then selected one spring that showed less compression than the shorter factory spring. I then purchased a spring kit from Wolffe and installed it. The problem appeared to have been fixed. I have fired about 200 rounds through the 38 super with its new spring without problems. I want to replace the slide of the 38 Super pistol with a new one from EAA corporation, but I do not care for the rounded slides they are using on the newer manufacturing run. The look too thin over the entire area under the locking lugs and barrel. I expect all of those slides to break or crack under use. Does anyone know if the slides they sell on line are the square or rounded slides? I have fired both 10 mm lately with Blazer aluminum cased ammo and they were a joy to handle and fire. I shot the 45 in a match aginst several of the Witness Stock pistols. I like the super sights but wished they were made with a full 5 inch barrel and slide. I don't care for the 4.5 inch setup, nor do I think the 4.75 barrels are worth the extra oney for 1/4 inch of more slide and barrel, but that is the way I will go with my purchase just to get more velocity and those super sights.

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Re: Newbie Questinos on TZ 75 and EAA Witness
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2010, 02:40:36 AM »
The 38 Super slide measure about 0.905 inches in width, and the 10mm slides have a width of about 1.010 inches behind the rear slide grasping groves. The 45 ACP is .998 inches in the same place. The rails on the slide, which ride in the frame slots, just measuring with a dial caliper, are 0.850 inches in width on all three AE Slides. These measurements were made with dial calipers and I did my best to keep each are parallel as possible. The 38 Super is stamped 'CAT.8946' and the 45 is stamped 'C.10299' just to complete my previous post.
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trent

 

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