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Offline diceman3

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CZ 27 SERIAL NUMBERS/ DATES OF PRODUCTION
« on: May 19, 2011, 02:19:16 PM »
Hi, I'm a new member and have purchased my first CZ, a model 27.  Is there a place on the forum where I can find out serial numbers and dates of production. Mine starts with 476xxx.

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Re: CZ 27 SERIAL NUMBERS/ DATES OF PRODUCTION
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2011, 01:41:33 PM »
The last serial numbers I have ever seen were 475xxx, just prior to the factory being overrun.

http://www.tague.at/pistolen/en_index.htm?/pistolen/pages/en_cz27.htm


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Re: CZ 27 SERIAL NUMBERS/ DATES OF PRODUCTION
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2011, 04:55:14 AM »
Diceman -- does your pistol have Waffenamt acceptance marks?  Or is it a later Czech version? 

Here's a Czech version from 1948 in the 604XXX serial number range:

http://www.gunauction.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=10681044

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Re: CZ 27 SERIAL NUMBERS/ DATES OF PRODUCTION
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2012, 12:47:19 AM »
Many (most? All?) CZ's have the year stamped on them, if that is what you are trying to figure out.  I have CZ27 #567855 with the year 47 stamped on the frame, left side just ahead of the slide release tab.  These pistols are generally finished to a far higher level than normal.  Look also for 'MADE IN CZECHOSLOVAKIA' (in English) just ahead of the year stamp which probably indicates is was produced for export into the US (by the Thalson Co.).

My CZ24 has the date stamped on both sides of the frame (26).  The CZ27 is a beautiful pistol but I like the CZ24 more, I have a thing about locked-breech .380 pistols and their long, sweet recoil.

Something interesting is to remove the slide and sideplate and watch how the trigger components work.  In the link referred to above the seller says that the trigger won't return to the forward positon by itself, with the sideplate removed you can see that there is a small spring on the far right that must be missing.

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Re: CZ 27 SERIAL NUMBERS/ DATES OF PRODUCTION
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2012, 07:08:08 AM »
great thread.

I recently purchase a VZ 27, serial is 476xxx.  Normal markings on top of receiver have been ground away.  It is fnh configuration, no date stamp or waffen marks.  Curiously, on the left side, lower frame above the grip it carries the inscription:  Maj Jon W.Schaub, JR 0-1167612.  No import markings, possibly a GI bring back.

any comments would be appreciated. 
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Re: CZ 27 SERIAL NUMBERS/ DATES OF PRODUCTION
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2012, 08:58:25 PM »
That's an interesting serial number.  From 1920 to late in 1942 US Army officers had a letter prefix of "O-" (the capital letter "o" and a dash) at the beginning of their service numbers.  (Enlisted men used the letter "R-" to mean "Regular Army.")  From 1942 point on officers prefixed their serial numbers with a leading zero, but the service number format changed to be groups of three letters, "01 234 567" or "010 234 567" for example.  Your major probably joined the army in the Twenties, because those early serial numbers were strictly sequential, so he was soldier 1,167,612 to be enrolled since the addition of the letter prefix, and the army got up to just under 7,000,000 before switching to the newer system in 1942.

What a neat detail!

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Re: CZ 27 SERIAL NUMBERS/ DATES OF PRODUCTION
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2012, 05:52:00 PM »
Excellent information, thank you
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Re: CZ 27 SERIAL NUMBERS/ DATES OF PRODUCTION
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2012, 07:36:49 PM »
Prewar and war time 27's have no date on them, the exception being those marked as being used by Nazi police forces.  Those will have a date along with 'Eagle K' on the trigger guard.  Post war 27's will be date marked.  Mine run from 45 to 48.

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Re: CZ 27 SERIAL NUMBERS/ DATES OF PRODUCTION
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2012, 08:18:09 PM »
Roger, thank you for the additional information.  I am intertested in learning more about how the pistol came to be inscribed with the service member's identification, and anything I can learn about him!  Can date of manufacture be acertained by the pistol's serial number?  I have a highly knowledgeable Czech friend running it by forums in the Czech Republic and welcome help from anyone who reads this thread!

I broke it down, cleaned it and reassembled today.  Typical Czech engineering, a mechanical jewel IMHO  :) 
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Re: CZ 27 SERIAL NUMBERS/ DATES OF PRODUCTION
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2013, 06:13:43 PM »
Can anyone help me with the ID on my dad's Vz 27?? It's an "fnh" with serial number 303236. It has nothing on top of the slide except the serial. I've been looking on the site "Pistols of the German Wermacht", but this pistol doesn't exactly match any of the ones shown. It was given to my dad by his cousin, who "obtained" it from its original owner in the Reich. He gave it to my dad in 1947, so I know its entire history.

It appears to have a brown (Parkerized?) finish, with visible machining marks on top of the slide. The grips have the Cz logo on them. What really has me stumped are the proof (?) marks. The only marks are three small German eagles with a swastika. One each on the left side of the trigger guard in front of the trigger, one on the barrel inside the ejector opening, and one to the left of the serial on top of the slide.  The ones on the barrel and the slide have no letters of any kind on them. The one on the trigger guard has only a K to the right of the swastika. There are no other marks anywhere on it that I can find.

I'm gathering that it appears to be a 1944 manufacture due to the relatively low serial, but I'm interested to hear what the experts think.

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Re: CZ 27 SERIAL NUMBERS/ DATES OF PRODUCTION
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2013, 10:08:13 AM »
Wow. My serial number seems really low compared to these. I just bought my first cz27 last weekend at the gun show. The serial number is 164358 and there are no customs marks.

All markings are Czech. There is a stamp of 37 on the right side.But everything else is Cyrillic.
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I am also curious as to the age of this fire arm

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Re: CZ 27 SERIAL NUMBERS/ DATES OF PRODUCTION
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2013, 01:03:40 AM »
Cyrillic?  Can you post a picture of your pistol?  I've never seen one with Cyrillic stampings.

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Re: CZ 27 SERIAL NUMBERS/ DATES OF PRODUCTION
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2013, 06:30:05 PM »
I had a problem posting pictures online anywhere, til I finally put them on armslist. Here are the markings to which I refer.

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Re: CZ 27 SERIAL NUMBERS/ DATES OF PRODUCTION
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2013, 01:38:36 AM »
Those letters are all Roman, not Cyrillic.  The English language uses the Roman alphabet too.  The Czech language uses some diacritical marks over some letters that aren't all shared with other languages, but other diacritical marks are shared, like accent marks.  The "check mark" over the "C" is called a "háček," pronounced "haw check."  It makes the letter "C" sound like "ch" in English.  It is usually transliterated "Cz" into English.

We have a few threads on the forums about the meanings of the various words stamped on CZ pistols.  Those threads also often list the meanings of the various proof stamps and acceptance stamps you'll find.  If you have trouble googling them, I might be able to rummage up one or two of them.  Let me know.

Oh, the manufacturer name on the top of the slide translates to "Czech Arms Factory in Prague" and the serial number.  I have to look up the "A.S." abbreviation, but I think it means "Joint Stock Company," and it is like "Corp." or "Inc." here in the U.S., or "Ltd." in the British Commonwealth.  It also means your pistol was built before communism.

Yes, I looked it up, and it means "Joint Stock Company."

Scott