Canik C100CB: Tearing one apart. Lots of photos.

[Stuart]

Well finally got the opportunity to see and handle a Canik gun. I talked with the Canik USA guy and made an appointment for him to come by the shop and see their gun. Dean Whitt arrived with one of their alloy compact guns for me to peek and handle. I was hoping too for a full size alloy gun, but he said they were out.

Quickly looking at the gun, it is pretty well made. fit is solid and tight. Double action was smooth and I am guessing in the 10#-12# range and the single action about 6#-8#. The single action feels pretty neutral with no camming. There is not as much creep as on a CZ, but seeing the hammer, the hooks are not as long on th Canik.
The sear and the FPB lifter are kind of locked together, so I am curious as what is going on in the lockwork underneath.

I was told that CZ sights will fit the Canik's dovetails, they mentioned  for possibly the meprolight nightsights. Told also that the grip panels cuts are different so CZ grips will not fit onto the frame. Perhaps with some modification, they may.

So anyway we ordered one for the shop. So I will get an opportunity to see what may or may not interchange between it and the CZ as far as hammers, triggers, springs, etc.

Some photos:

[KFD147]

Man! That is a nice looking pistol. I really like that it has an alloy frame. Maybe they can clone an alloy framed 97.   

Stuart, the FPB lifter and sear are maybe like that to make assembly easier or to be just a little different so that it is not an exact copy?

Thanks for the report and pictures.

Jason

[Bret]

The Caniks can be put on safe with the hammer down, so something on the inside has to be different.  They also use Witness pattern magazines, not CZ pattern magazines.  They close, but not the exact same.

[Stuart]

The Caniks can be put on safe with the hammer down, so something on the inside has to be different.  They also use Witness pattern magazines, not CZ pattern magazines.  They close, but not the exact same.

Bret thanks for the info..is that the small frame mags or large frame mags?
They said they might be able to drop off the gun tomorrow at the shop, so I am hoping to have something to play with this weekend.

[Bret]

Caniks use the small frame Witness pattern magazines.  However, CZ pattern magazines may work.  CZ compact magazines kept dropping out of my Canik compact, but the full sized CZ magazines work just fine.  Someone from Canik-USA told me on the phone that CZ75 Compact magazines would work.  Based on my experience, that's not 100% correct.  See the following thread for more details:
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=40301.0

[recoilguy]

It looks like a nice weapon, If one shows up around here I will give it a try. I always need a new weapon.

SeeGee

[Stuart]

Got my Canik today.

looks as good as the sample I saw yesterday.
DA pulled at 10#, SA pulled at 4.5# if you eliminate the FPB, it pulls at 4#
DA is pretty smooth, possibly room for some improvement, SA has a small amount of creep and the hammer had some minor camming to the rear .

I took the lower apart and it is very similar to a CZ safety model gun.


-A few difference that I found at first glance:

-trigger return spring fits into a tunnel in the frame rather than the groove CZ uses.
*SMALL PART WARNING* safety has a small ball bearing/spring that it uses to get a 'click' feel when moving. it will fall out when you seperate the safety from the side of the frame
-sear interlocks into side of firing pin block lifter. as well as both being moved by the trigger bar, they move each other. there is no lifter spring, so this is probably to help return the lifter into its down position.
-hammer retaining pin pushes into a groove in the hammer pin, rather than blocking the pin movement.
-disconnector is EAA/Tanfoglio style
-there were other differences in some of the radius cut on the slide stop, sear, etc.


-A CZ slide will not fit onto the Canik frames. the rail is just slightly too wide. Don't think it would be a problem to mill a CZ slide to fit the frame. but have not checked yet on how the barrel would fit the frame.

I still need to tear apart the slide, but I had to go back to work. So more playing and some more photos later

[tekarra]

Interesting comparison Stuart, thanks.

[Stuart]

OK...here we go:

Canik sear on the left, CZ sear on the right


Canik trigger on left, looks like a casting and then coated. CZ 75B trigger is slightly thicker, but fits onto the trigger bar and in the frame.


Canik trigger bar. seems to have less tool marks than CZ trigger bar.


Canik hammer on the left. hammer pin hole is bigger on the Canik. CZ hammer could be modified to fit Canik frame and hammer pin


Canik disconnector vs CZ disconnector


Ejector housing. sear and lifter are interlocked to each other. no lifter spring in the assembly


hammer pin. hammer pin retaining pin fits into the slot and keep pin from moving.


really small ball bearing and spring for safety.


Canik slide stop in middle.


Only single roll pin to retain firing pin. CZ Custom solid pin does NOT fit.


small parts of the slide


Canik extractor on the left.


See the small hole in frame that trigger return springs fits into, CZ frame has a groove cut.


bare frame.


Canik slide will fit on CZ frame.

[jwc007]

Very Interesting comparisons.  Does the Canik Automatic Firing Pin Safety operate the same as the CZ or the Tanfoglio pistols?

[Stuart]

Very Interesting comparisons.  Does the Canik Automatic Firing Pin Safety operate the same as the CZ or the Tanfoglio pistols?

it is kind of a little of both. it is a separate part like the CZ, but it is interlocked to the sear, so they move like one part like the Tanfoglio system. There is not lifter spring like in the CZ, but rather it returns to the down position with the sear.

[jwc007]

There is not lifter spring like in the CZ, but rather it returns to the down position with the sear.

Thanx!  Then it operates like the late Martin Tuma designed one in the Tanfoglio based pistols. Just a bit different in construction.

[recoilguy]

Nice work Stuart.....have you run a few rounds through one yet?

RCG

[Stuart]

Nice work Stuart.....have you run a few rounds through one yet?

RCG

I haven't shot it yet..but since it is a compact 9mm gun, I figured it would shoot like a 9mm compact gun.
I was interested in the frame being alloy and what was it like as compared to the CZ.
Since I already have it apart, I will probably start polishing and see if I can smooth out the trigger in both DA/SA.
Figure I'll address any function issues ( if any ) once I get there.
Also want to see what options are for sights, grips and mags.

I did see that a MecGar 16rnd mag with an SP01 basepad will fit and function.

[Stuart]

hahahha...I dropped that little ball bearing in the safety already. I wish they had a way of actually retaining it in the safety rather than just placed between the safety and the frame.

on a positive note while looking for it, I found a trigger set screw and a CZ fpb lifter spring.