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Offline AbyssDncr

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EAA Sarsilmaz SAR K2 Review
« on: May 31, 2012, 11:43:51 PM »
Ok, well I guess it's time for the much anticipated (by me) review of the Sarsilmaz SAR K2.

Starting at the beginning...  I couldn't find any CZ85 Compacts & started looking at the railed versions of the EAA Witness that are available; ended up at the EAA main website and saw the profile of this SAR K2 with the 14+1 capacity on their site.  Immediately, assumed it was a misprint on the capacity, but kept researching nonetheless.  Obviously, it is in fact a high cap .45 acp based on the CZ 75/97 platform, and having just recently been enamored with the FNP45 Tactical hi-cap and played with one at the local Gander Mountain...I couldn't resist Grabagun.com's $442.64 delivered price and rolled the dice on the SAR K2 sight unseen.

Price is now up a few bucks there, but they still show in stock:  http://grabagun.com/european-american-armory-sarslmz-k2-45acp-14rd-4-5-bl-as.html

Acknowledging that it was a dice roll proposition, I was admittedly predisposed to want this thing to work out.  That said, I'm not a .45 acp fanboy.  I like my 9mms...a lot...  With that disclaimer out of the way:

This thing is pretty damn awesome.  If I dare say, Sofa King awesome.

I got back from the range around sundown & snapped a few pics, just before I lost decent lighting.  Basic left & right shots with a few pics of the insides to show the similarities.  Most folks like their gun porn simple, so this should suffice:

























You're stuck with grainy cell phone pics, at least until I get some better lighting.  Slide release sticks out plenty far enough to take down sans tools/punch.  SS guide rod & looks like Wolff CZ/EAA recoil springs will work just fine.  Shot of the sights & sear cage.  The FPB lifter finger isn't a separate spring loaded piece like the 75B, it's all one piece.  In the last pic, you can see the shiny spot where the ammo was hitting the feed ramp when loading. 

Which brings us to shooting, I put 79 rounds down range immediately after picking her up from my dealer.  Every round is pictured on the targets, and most of them were chronygraphed as well.  After all the finicky fighting the 40B has been giving me with my 180 reloads, this thing was a refreshing change of pace.  For you golfers, it was like switching from a set of Ben Hogan blades to a set of Callaway cavity backs.

So back to the shooting, except for the one 25 yd. group, it was all from 7 yds. And again except for the 25 yd. group, all groups are 10 rounds.  Testing included Remington 230 gr. ball, Fiocchi 230 gr. ball, two loads of Berry's 185 gr HBRN, and one load of Berry's 230 gr. DSRN.  The cool part about shooting over a chronygraph is that when there's an outlying shot, you can occasionally also find an corresponding outlier in the velocity data; where it seemed I could get away with blaming an outlying shot that had the same sight picture as everything else when the hammer dropped, I did, and you'll see the velocity of that specific shot next to the hole.  In each target is noted the High velocity, Low velocity, Average velocity, Extreme Spread, and Standard Deviation.

Ok, let's get this started.  Straight out of the box, here are the first 10 rounds to go down the pipe - Remington 230 gr. ball:





Sights are off, cool thing is that it has LPA sights on it and it comes with the little LPA sight screw driver.  5 clicks to the left, and on with some Fiocchi 230 gr. ball:





One dropped low with a slow one.  5 more clicks left, and some 185 gr. HBRN over 4.9 grains of Clays, seated at 1.25":





Now, we're getting somewhere.  Next up is 7.5 grains of Hodgdons Longshot, which was supposed to be a hotter load for this...it wasn't.  Average velocity was 663 fps with a 108 fps spread.  I don't think the powder was getting fully burnt before the breach opened and about 4 of the shots spit orange sand back into my face (always wear your safety glasses people!!!).  It's really hard to concentrate when you question whether your face is going to get sand blasted when you pull the trigger.  I'll be pulling the remaining 40 of these and going back with the Clays for now...nonetheless:





Finally got the rear sight to come down a couple clicks (it was pretty tight) and finished the target off with a complete 10 shot string straight, no breaks with the Remington ball again.  There were 1.5-2 seconds between each shot:




That was the end of the first 60 rounds and target 1:

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Re: EAA Sarsilmaz SAR K2 Review
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2012, 12:12:17 AM »
How did the width of the grip feel?  I previously had a Para P14 and felt that it was a bit wide. 

Also, is the front sight staked?

Thanks for the pictures and summary.

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EAA Sarsilmaz SAR K2 Review Continued...
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2012, 12:29:57 AM »
After Target 1, I took a break to put a few rounds through the 40B to test out the elevation with the new Trijicon sights, so the top two bulls on target two are from the 40B. 

With the elevation adjusted pretty close now, I grabbed my last 9 rounds of my old CZ97 loads with 5.4 gr. of Pb under a Berry's 230 gr. DSRN and marched  back to 25 yds. to test my luck offhand.  I was aiming 6 o'clock on the middle right bull where the faint penciled in "+" is.  The total group was less than 5".  I'll take it. 





Finished testing my luck with 10 rounds of quick pairs.  Not super fast by any means, but each pair was at or under one second per pair.  If I didn't already, I definitely love this gun now!   ;D





So that was the end of the evening with Target 2:



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With the facts & figures out of the way, time for the softer side of things.  The grip feels most like a Beretta 92 to me.  I haven't played with Sigs much, so that might not be the best description, but it's most certainly big & round like a Beretta.  The trigger is about perfect for a gun like this...like a factory CZ75 well seasoned with thousands of rounds of use.   BUTTER smooth with a slight camming of the hammer at first finishing with a neutral release.  Dry firing clearly demonstrates how easy it is to get a clean hammer drop with no movement of the front sight whatsoever.  Again, like this out of the box (?), awesome!!!  For a guy who stakes his claim in life tinkering with things just because, I have no desire to jack with the trigger on this thing at all. 

The trigger feels very much like the FNP Tactical or Competition that I played with recently, but about half as creepy.  Which is a little funny, because after fondling the FNPs, I thought, "No way will a drop a grand on a gun with a trigger with that much creep..."  A little creep isn't bad, especially for a carry gun, as it lets your hand normalize and equalize the pressure required to manipulate the trigger gradually at your speed, instead of the abruptness of a 5-6 lb 1911 trigger that can toss the front sight to one side or the other.

Probably goes without saying by this point, but it's a beast, a big, burly, I'll pistol-whip the hell out yo a$$, all steel, tank of a handgun.  With a full magazine, it tips my kitchen meat scale at 50 oz.  I was never a fan of the pansy poly guns anyways...   :P

Front sight looks to be a Witness style / size dovetail at first glance with a set screw through the top for retention.  I'll get out some spare CZ sights tomorrow to compare dovetails a little better though.

Not a single malfunction of any kind whatsoever, even with those powder puff 185 loads.  The light loads trickled out right beside me, but most everything else landed is a mostly consistent patter 15 ft away at about 4 o'clock - didn't lose any brass tonight...

I guess, my summary statement is that I truly cannot remember the last time I got this giddy after getting a new gun.  Excited, sure; eager, always; even thrilled sometimes; but tonight I'm giddy...giddy like a  school girl who just got away with some unexpected naughtiness...and it's pretty great...   O0
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Re: EAA Sarsilmaz SAR K2 Review
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2012, 12:37:10 AM »
That does sound like a great gun and under $500.  You can't beat that. 

Awesome and again thanks for the review.
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Re: EAA Sarsilmaz SAR K2 Review
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2012, 12:45:12 AM »
Great review and good shooting!  Looks like some more of those Berry's 185 HBRN are in your future!

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Re: EAA Sarsilmaz SAR K2 Review
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2012, 12:48:32 AM »
Pretty neat looking weapon, and apparently a winner in its price. Do you think it will hold up in comparison to a cz97?

The barrel locking is more SIG than CZ.
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Re: EAA Sarsilmaz SAR K2 Review
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2012, 12:56:45 AM »
Pretty neat looking weapon, and apparently a winner in its price. Do you think it will hold up in comparison to a cz97?

The barrel locking is more SIG than CZ.

The barrel lock-up on the K2 is almost identical to the CZ97 barrel seen here:



I had and no longer have a CZ97.  I don't have a burning desire to get another.  The K2 is about $200 cheaper, has a light rail, and holds 40% more ammo over a CZ97...and most importantly "I" shoot it better.  It feels more like my SP01 than the 97 did, and that's a good feeling to emulate.

I'm a practical and pragmatic person that likes options and features whether I need them or not...when such features are tastefully done and don't otherwise detract from the primary purpose and function.  I think Sarsilmaz one-upped CZ in the .45 acp platform, and as you can see by my signature, I'm a pretty die-hard CZ fan. 



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Re: EAA Sarsilmaz SAR K2 Review
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2012, 01:18:36 AM »


Sweeeet!!!  8)  Thanx for the Excellent review and good shooting!!!

Congratulations!  :)

Down the Financial Road, I plan to get one ASAP!
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Re: EAA Sarsilmaz SAR K2 Review
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2012, 04:11:53 AM »
Pretty neat looking weapon, and apparently a winner in its price. Do you think it will hold up in comparison to a cz97?

The barrel locking is more SIG than CZ.

The barrel lock-up on the K2 is almost identical to the CZ97 barrel seen here:




Thanks, I do not own a 97, and have not seen the inside of it. I thought it would have been with lugs similar to the 75 series.
Thank you for comparative input, and congratulations on this winner. Might want to get one iff I decide to go the 45 way.
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EAA Sarsilmaz SAR K2 Review Continued...
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2012, 01:10:41 AM »
Quick update with some comparison pics to my buddy's P14 magazines.  Mag bodies are essentially the same, base plates & followers are different though.

Pics should illustrate:


















Also got a chance to snap a few pics with his Streamlight TLR-1s attached.  I like the color of the Surefire matte black over the Streamlight's annodized body.  But at the price of $105, I think Streamlight is going to win out...









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Re: EAA Sarsilmaz SAR K2 Review
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2012, 01:03:55 PM »
Very Interesting.  Great Pics!  8) 

Having owned a ParaOrdnance P14, I had noticed that pics of the SAR K2 Magazines looked about the same.  This confirms it.  Do the ParaOrdnance P14 Magazines lock in place and function on the SAR K2?
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Re: EAA Sarsilmaz SAR K2 Review
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2012, 04:38:35 PM »
One of the P14 mags locked in the K2, but just barely.  The baseplates on the P14 mags sit higher up the mag body than the K2 mags and don't quite want to let the mag seat in the K2. That said the mag looked perfect inside the action with slide locked open.  You can see the differences in the follower - the P14 mag won't lock the slide back on the K2.  I truly believe the are the exact same magazine body.  I could not find any visual dimensional differences at all between the two.
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Re: EAA Sarsilmaz SAR K2 Review
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2012, 08:31:05 PM »
  I truly believe the are the exact same magazine body.  I could not find any visual dimensional differences at all between the two. 

I thought as much.  Thanx!
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Re: EAA Sarsilmaz SAR K2 Review
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2012, 01:53:48 PM »
That it accepts and works with Para P-14 Magazines is a plus especially if magazines for the SAR K2 become scarce in the future. Sounds like the catch may need to be enlarged to fit and work. Maybe the polymer base of the P-14 Magazine could be modified to match the K2. From the looks of it that's what they did.

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Re: EAA Sarsilmaz SAR K2 Review
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2012, 07:48:48 PM »
Remaining an objective observer, I'll post some nits soon.  Meanwhile, Happy 13th Anniversary to us, we picked up her new P01 this morning and spent some time at the range.  The CZ USA installed night sights were/are 100% dead smack on, but the Sarsilmaz trigger is still infinitely smoother out of the box...

Here is the young lady with the K2 from the 7 yard line:

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