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Offline zuko514

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return spring guide
« on: September 17, 2012, 02:17:10 AM »
hi guys! I recently purchased a vz2008. last night I accidently took apart the return of spring.my first thought was I snapped the return spring guide in half :-[. Anyway now I have a hell of time putting it back together. Any advice or tricks on how to reinstall the return spring?


this is a dumb rookie question. would it be better if i superglue the recoil spring guide and block together?

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Re: return spring guide
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2012, 04:32:12 AM »
Not my advice. From here:
http://canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=546226


"From my oct 2007 thread on "how to re-install recoil spring in less than a minute for vz58".
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum...d.php?t=189025

the only tool i needed was a drinking straw , i used the ones that bend near the top (thinner than the milk shakes type).

1. slide the straw over the spring retaining wire , all the way to the end of the wire, it should fit snuggly.
2. slide the recoil spring all the way in.
3. place the rear end of the top cover firmly on the table (preferrably on a non-skid pad or the wife will kill ya, lol) and using both hands grab the spring and push it down till it passes the top of the retaining wire(you can see it thru the straw). taking the next two pic was no easy task due to the pressure from the spring, luckily i kept it steady and it didnt fly away.
4. hold the spring firmly with your fingers (thumb, index ) while the remaining fingers (middle, ring and pinky) gripping the top cover, once that is done, release the other hand and pull up the straw, exposing the top of the wire.
5. with the free hand put the spring retainer piece on top of the wire to lock the spring in, easy way is to line up the two wire with the grooves on the side of the retainer piece and rotate the piece with your fingers and the wire will line up to locking position... note my fingers was turning purple due to it took longer than a minute to take pics. "

Hope it helps.

Offline Rowe-75

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Re: return spring guide
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2012, 01:02:31 PM »
Same instructions I followed when I was fiddling with the return spring assembly. Don't think I'll be taking mine apart again unless the springs needs replaced.

We should probably steer clear of the super-glue for now  ;D
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Re: return spring guide
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2012, 01:47:35 PM »
I put it together with the recoil block and guide sticking out the side of spring.  Then (wearing gloves) firmly grasp the part of the spring between the cover and recoil block and use my other hand to turn the cover clockwise, threading the block through the spring.  Works like a charm, but be careful it is not pointed at anyone or anything fragile, if you slip you can shoot the whole assembly.

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Re: return spring guide
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2014, 03:17:55 AM »
For all of the recent purchasers of the Century VZ2008 with the extras and of course all other owners of VZ58 type rifles. I discovered how to use the cleaning tools included with the rifle to reinstall the recoil spring, guide and retainer. Hopefully this information will help others not to launch their retainers into unknown areas, never to be seen again. After launching my retainer, I looked online for more info into how to reinstall the spring, guide and retainer. I found several very good ideas right here on this forum. I started to think of how the spring, guide and retainer would be installed if I was a member of the Czech military. I checked out the cleaning tools and spotted slots on each side of the slotted cleaning patch holder, that are the right size to hold the guide wire. Now put the two pieces of the cleaning rod together and install the patch holder. Place the guide on the other guide attached to the top cover, place the open ends of the guide wire on the patch holder. Now slide the recoil spring over the cleaning rod with the guide wire attached. With the extra length and weight of the cleaning rod attached, you can compress the spring fairly easily, making sure the guide wire is at its max length. After the spring is compressed enough to remove the cleaning rod from the guide wire, you can now install the retainer and slowly release the spring and it will be held by the retainer. A lot more words are needed here than to do this procedure. It took me about 5 minutes to accomplish, of course, after the replacement retainer arrived in the mail. Sorry no pictures. Any questions? I hope this helps!

Offline TJNewton

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Re: return spring guide
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2014, 11:10:01 AM »
Sounds like a great idea.  I tried the methods mentioned above and found the straw to be the fastest and easiest.  I'm definitely going to try the cleaning tools.

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Re: return spring guide
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2014, 02:53:10 AM »
For all of the recent purchasers of the Century VZ2008 with the extras and of course all other owners of VZ58 type rifles. I discovered how to use the cleaning tools included with the rifle to reinstall the recoil spring, guide and retainer. Hopefully this information will help others not to launch their retainers into unknown areas, never to be seen again. After launching my retainer, I looked online for more info into how to reinstall the spring, guide and retainer. I found several very good ideas right here on this forum. I started to think of how the spring, guide and retainer would be installed if I was a member of the Czech military. I checked out the cleaning tools and spotted slots on each side of the slotted cleaning patch holder, that are the right size to hold the guide wire. Now put the two pieces of the cleaning rod together and install the patch holder. Place the guide on the other guide attached to the top cover, place the open ends of the guide wire on the patch holder. Now slide the recoil spring over the cleaning rod with the guide wire attached. With the extra length and weight of the cleaning rod attached, you can compress the spring fairly easily, making sure the guide wire is at its max length. After the spring is compressed enough to remove the cleaning rod from the guide wire, you can now install the retainer and slowly release the spring and it will be held by the retainer. A lot more words are needed here than to do this procedure. It took me about 5 minutes to accomplish, of course, after the replacement retainer arrived in the mail. Sorry no pictures. Any questions? I hope this helps!

Not sure I follow.  Possible you can sling some pictures onto here?

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Re: return spring guide
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2014, 09:20:32 PM »
This works flawlessly, I used this method last week!
(the straw method)
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Re: return spring guide
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2015, 05:43:25 AM »
In preparation for spring/summer shooting season, I've been replacing all my springs with new... 

The straw, screwdriver, and other methods with the recoil spring work well for used springs...  But for brand new, I found that Obi's method was the only one I could get to work...  Tried until my hands were cramping with the others and more...  Found the newest and closest variation of above methods to be the pointed sight tool from the cleaning kit that was good for compressing most of the spring on top cover solid post (would slide nicely into gap where wire loop hinges on top cover post and slide between spring runs) but couldn't get the last two or so inches this way due to running out of space between the spring loops to get the tool into when nearly fully compressed...

To the Obi method:
Basically, you
1) install the wire loop (if not installed) and then the spring over that and the main post on the top cover. 
2) Then you put both ends of the wire loop through the same turn gap in the recoil spring. 
3) Install the end cap.  Wire loop ends go in, not out as they are often found on VZ2008s.  Ensure the loop isn't twisted with top cap installed or else it will bind (and break if you don't catch it during hand cycling.)
4) Grab spring below the end cap with your support hand. 
5) Twist top cover in a clockwise direction while holding spring securely w/ your support hand.  That will slowly loop sling onto post below top cap.
6) As you near the end/spring fully threaded onto top cover, the support hand may need to push in towards top cover to relieve some tension on the spring end/top cap (always a good idea to have a firm grip regardless w/ support hand on spring). 
7) Once spring is fully onto the top cover, it will seat itself, but keep an eye on the top cap and wire loop!  (Wire loops are cheap and worth replacing w/ your springs if you have a VZ2008 IMO).

And always ensure that spring and top piece are pointed away from people/pets/breakables...

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Re: return spring guide
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2015, 01:41:43 PM »
For all of the recent purchasers of the Century VZ2008 with the extras and of course all other owners of VZ58 type rifles. I discovered how to use the cleaning tools included with the rifle to reinstall the recoil spring, guide and retainer.

good thinking!,  can you post a pic or two (or a vid) ??
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Re: return spring guide
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2015, 10:01:39 PM »
I put my receiver in a vice wrapped in a cloth as not to scratch with the end angled down so the wire loop would hang down. Then I used big slot screwdriver to compress the spring until the end of the wire was exposed. This is almost a two person job LOL

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Re: return spring guide
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2015, 10:58:45 PM »
Telling you this is by and far the way to go...  Incredibly much easier than all the other methods I've tried...  It does leave you w/ a reduced sense of accomplishment however as it's just so quick and easy!

In preparation for spring/summer shooting season, I've been replacing all my springs with new... 

The straw, screwdriver, and other methods with the recoil spring work well for used springs...  But for brand new, I found that Obi's method was the only one I could get to work...  Tried until my hands were cramping with the others and more...  Found the newest and closest variation of above methods to be the pointed sight tool from the cleaning kit that was good for compressing most of the spring on top cover solid post (would slide nicely into gap where wire loop hinges on top cover post and slide between spring runs) but couldn't get the last two or so inches this way due to running out of space between the spring loops to get the tool into when nearly fully compressed...

To the Obi method:
Basically, you
1) install the wire loop (if not installed) and then the spring over that and the main post on the top cover. 
2) Then you put both ends of the wire loop through the same turn gap in the recoil spring. 
3) Install the end cap.  Wire loop ends go in, not out as they are often found on VZ2008s.  Ensure the loop isn't twisted with top cap installed or else it will bind (and break if you don't catch it during hand cycling.)
4) Grab spring below the end cap with your support hand. 
5) Twist top cover in a clockwise direction while holding spring securely w/ your support hand.  That will slowly loop sling onto post below top cap.
6) As you near the end/spring fully threaded onto top cover, the support hand may need to push in towards top cover to relieve some tension on the spring end/top cap (always a good idea to have a firm grip regardless w/ support hand on spring). 
7) Once spring is fully onto the top cover, it will seat itself, but keep an eye on the top cap and wire loop!  (Wire loops are cheap and worth replacing w/ your springs if you have a VZ2008 IMO).

And always ensure that spring and top piece are pointed away from people/pets/breakables...

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Re: return spring guide
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2015, 09:14:05 AM »
Man I wish you would make a Nube-tube video showing how you do this. I still can't quite get my head around it.

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Re: return spring guide
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2015, 08:11:38 PM »
Sorry don't do youtube.  But here are some pics.  These are quick and dirty "auto correct" and I didn't bother to color equalize, so sorry for the variance in those... 

Uninstall

First, pull spring down.


Next slide down the spring stop.


After that, twist spring stop 1/2 turn.


Lift stop up and off.  Then slowly release pressure on your spring.  And then remove the spring.

« Last Edit: May 30, 2016, 01:47:12 AM by RSR »

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Re: return spring guide
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2015, 08:12:00 PM »
Parts Inspection
Recoil spring guide wire, should have a continuous circle, not a collapsed middle.  Not critical to replace I suppose but a good idea.  A collapsing guide wire (all will collapse slightly with recoil spring tension when installed) just adds increased friction when operating.  You should be lubing the recoil spring guide wire and fixed recoil spring post location to minimize wear/friction during operation.  The insides of the wire loop rub against the fixed post everytime the action cycles -- perhaps part of the reason why used ones collapse inward, friction removed material leads to less strength and collapsing...

New top, well used bottom.


Striker Springs

When charging these can kink when well used and bind the action.  They can and will kink and be nearly destroyed if you don't ensure that the striker spring is inside the striker hole.  (Temp fix is to reverse striker spring so kink part is on the striker spring post but it needs replaced.)

Top 2 are used, and bottom 2 are new.





Recoil springs

Top 2 are used and bottom one is new:

« Last Edit: May 30, 2016, 01:48:15 AM by RSR »

 

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