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Offline angus hobdell

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« on: June 01, 2007, 10:12:53 AM »
From Milan trkulia

You asking the right person as I was right on middle of it, when the Colt Z 40 happened.
Beside myself, another two persons you know very well, were instrumental in Colt Z or CZ .40 B project. It was Ira Kay and Kerby Smith. I will send you a copy of Ira Kay's e-mail from September 18th, 1997 describing chronology of the Colt/CZ relationship involving COLT Z/CZ.40 B projects.This is if I manage to find it.
Just remember, there was just one significant specification put forward by the Colt people - this pistol must bear exterior similarity with the the Colt 1911. It was just a verbal request, nothing was written down or signed on this design matter. We just shook the hands. That was it! All another work was left on the CZ engineers. Shape of the pistol was designed by the Industrial Architect Vojtech Anderle (also author of CZ 100 design), and all interior mechanism works on Colt Z .40 was done by Radek Hauerland, who also worked with me later on CZ 2075 RAMI project. Your statement is absolutely correct, the Colt Z 40/CZ.40B pistol mechanism was fully adopted from CZ 75 line of pistols. After CZ/Colt deal collapse, pistol was made by CZ for an another customers, but in limited numbers. When Radek Hauerland worked on trigger mechanism for COLT Z .40, he at the same time got ready SA/DA and Decocker versions of this pistols. Therefore it was easy to later produce all these trigger mechanism versions, and also the caliber conversion down from .40 to 9x19 was very easy to make. Beside the Colt Z.40 and CZ .40 B pistols, there was an another model based on COLT Z .40 design produced in 9 x 19 cal and called the CZ LE 9.
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2007, 11:34:48 AM »
Thanks for the history lesson! Fascinating stuff.

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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2007, 11:47:31 AM »
Very nice Angus!

Thanks for taking the time to do that. That's a very detailed and in depth report. It would be nice if we could get that kind of response from some of the other gun makers about their products!

Thanks again and thanks to CZ too.

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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2007, 07:27:53 AM »
Indeed. Thank you, Angus. I love knowing the history of the pistols I choose to use. NOw, what I'd LOVe to see is a book on the history of CZ, the CZ75, etc. An exhaustive historical reference would be quite nice.

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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2007, 05:22:16 PM »
there is a book follow this link to CZ USA web site.
I have read the book very informative.
https://id305.securedata.net/cz-usa.com/merchantmanager/product_info.php?products_id=175&mmsid=24ad0408abe12f8b39caedbb8000243a
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2007, 04:14:00 PM »
I was watching a program on the History Channel about "safe" guns. One segment had a spokesman from Colt demonstrating their "smart" gun. To fire this gun the shooter had to be wearing this special watch device that sent a signal to the weapon.  I thought it looked familiar. It was a Colt Z-40. It looked just like the CZ 40-b. Is that the real story. Did Colt figure out the whole smart gun thing was crap, they just dump it back at CZ.

Looks like CZ made lemonade from them lemons.

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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2007, 06:17:35 AM »
I caught the same program last night.  I would venture to say that the 'smart gun' technology was retrofitted into the pistol.  With Colt's history of management mis-directions and false starts, who can tell?  It looks to my eye, that the 'smart gun' is a long way from making it to market.  The closest we can expect to see is the Taurus action locking key/screw affair.  I just picked up a CZ 40 B in an online auction last week.  Waiting for it to arrive at my FFL now.

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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2007, 04:42:48 PM »
There was another "smart" gun technology a few years back, but it worked best with revolvers.

With that one, a special piece in the gun was activated by a ring the shooter wore -- I don't remember how they "linked" up, but it wasn't hi-tech.  If you held the gun and didn't have the ring on your hand, the trigger wouldn't work.

Colt was seriously looking at getting back into the LEO market, and I think they were using one of the Colt Z-40 prototypes for that experiment, as Police Departments would be one of the first large buyers.

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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2007, 07:44:54 AM »
www.tarnhelm.com/magna-tr...agna1.html

this is a link to what you were talking about i think walt. the ring is a magnet that moves a block out from the trigger or hammer and allows it to strike

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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2007, 07:35:57 AM »
Are these Colt/CZs collectible? Is the quality of them good? Are they simply a 40B with Colt markings on the slide?

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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2007, 03:34:57 PM »
They're collectible -- but primarily because some folks think they are collectible -- and because less than 1000 were made.   I'd love to have one, but not at the price they command (approximately 2-3 times the price of a CZ-40B).

They were made on the same assembly line as the 40B, the primary differences being that all but a handful were made to function in DAO mode only.  (At least a couple were made with safeties and do DA/SA.)

They're nice guns, but they're really just 40Bs with a different rollmark on the slide and a slightly different internal mechanism.

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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2008, 12:25:47 PM »
However it worked out, I'm glad it did.  My CZ40B is the most accurate easy to handle pistol that I have.

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Re: Truth about 40B and Colt Z40
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2008, 10:01:41 AM »
I thought the thread should have some Z40 pics for comparison... :)




























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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2008, 12:17:14 AM »
Thank you for the history background.  That was something new that I learned about my pistol.  The pictures in this thread are nice . . . has anyone placed wood grips on their 40?  Or maybe I just haven't read enough threads yet. :-[

 

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