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Offline chansonbleu

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CZ 527 carbine in .223
« on: October 05, 2013, 03:36:23 PM »
Have a question for you CZ owners. Recently I purchased a new CZ527 carbine. Got it home and ran some cheap ammo, then some hunting ammo through it. Shot off hand at 100yds (I shoot metallic  silhouette) and the results were less than expected. Thought my old eyes were having trouble with the skinny front sight, so I picked up a NECG rear peep and front sight for it. Took some fussing to get it sighted in, but found it won't hold zero. Next I ran a $1 bill between the stock and barrel. There was some drag, and contact so I lightly sanded the area's on the stock that made contact. Still no improvement.

  After three sets of 3 rounds of 5.56 surplus grouping 6-9 inches(this time using a tripod for support) I put 2 rounds of Federal blue box and completely missed the entire target! Could this be a head space issue? Any suggestions or help will be greatly appreciated.
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Re: CZ 527 carbine in .223
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2013, 04:03:09 PM »
It's hard to imagine any rifle with fixed peep and post sights 'not holding zero'.  How exactly did you zero it?  What weight are these bullets (5.56 NATO could be 55 or 62 grains)?  I've come across some real crap 'surplus' as well, some can be decent, but some was manufactured to very sloppy standards.  Jumping from nine rounds of surplus that can't group tight enough to establish a reasonable zero to two rounds of Federal blue box and getting a different result is not unexpected, but completely missing the target?  What size target at what range?

I doubt you have a headspace issue in a rifle that was test fired at the factory (if it was new, the test target would be provided in the box and initialed by the shooter).  I suggest you clean the rifle, go back to the range with the tripod and a proper zeroing target at 25 meters, then 100, and sight that rifle in using the Federal ammo.  Sell that surplus stuff to some 'spray and pray' AR15 owner.
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Re: CZ 527 carbine in .223
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2013, 04:19:10 PM »
I do a little at the iron sights myself with an enfield with the battle sights, now ive given so called good shots a crack with her and there is dam few can even shoot a 6" 5 shot group, now im not saying you fall into this category , but to eliminate any human user   error and manufacturing defect  id put a scope on it, get some quality ammo and see what it can do. 

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Re: CZ 527 carbine in .223
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2013, 05:58:37 PM »
Scope is a good idea to check. My .223 Carbine is sub 1" after zeroed in.
One other thing to check is to see if your barrel is stamped with .223/5.56. Mine is only for.223.
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Re: CZ 527 carbine in .223
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2013, 06:37:10 PM »
Thanks bobanddog, buddy.223 and riptide439

 Using the same setup with my M39 Mosin  Nagant my groups are very tight. Like a few inches. With my CZ 455 using .22 mag and a 10X scope my groups are under 2". Once I set up a place to host photos, I'll post pics of my range, setup and targets.
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Re: CZ 527 carbine in .223
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2013, 06:55:13 PM »
Sounds like a plan.

By the way WELCOME TO THE FORUM!  :D
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Re: CZ 527 carbine in .223
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2013, 07:09:19 PM »
Ok. First up is the range. I steady the fore arm on the tripod. Arrow shows target.




Next is the target shot with the Mosin



Last the CZ527 target

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Re: CZ 527 carbine in .223
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2013, 07:17:17 PM »
Thanks bobanddog, buddy.223 and riptide439

 Using the same setup with my M39 Mosin  Nagant my groups are very tight. Like a few inches. With my CZ 455 using .22 mag and a 10X scope my groups are under 2". Once I set up a place to host photos, I'll post pics of my range, setup and targets.

That M39 has a significantly longer sight radius and the stability of extra weight toward the muzzle than the little 527 carbine.  I have a 452 Ultra Lux with a 28.6" barrel and a Marlin 1895 CB (in .45-70) with a 26" barrel, that both shoot impressively well for the same reasons.  By contrast, my Dad's old Remington 700 ADL in .280, with only a 20" barrel, can be extraordinarily finicky about ammo due to it's light weight and short length.  Little carbines are a joy to carry, but take some different treatment to shoot well. 
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Re: CZ 527 carbine in .223
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2013, 07:41:47 PM »
like the look of that old rusky smoke pole.    but definatly try out some quality .223 in your cz.

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Re: CZ 527 carbine in .223
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2013, 07:56:00 PM »
Love Your Range!
Shot my Carbine at 50 yards with iron sights when I first got it and had 3" groupings with Black Hills ammo. Switched to basic Federal 55gr and the groupings went out to 6".
Bummed we didn't get a photo of your Carbine.  :-[
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Re: CZ 527 carbine in .223
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2013, 09:05:58 PM »
Perhaps I just need more practice with this rifle. It does have a shorter sight radius than my Mosin, but my 45-70 Guide gun shoots as well without the aid of the tripod. Since it will be used for varmint hunting, a low power scope may be in order. Thick woods up here in NH, so a carbine is handy.

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Off hand shots at 100ysd



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Re: CZ 527 carbine in .223
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2013, 09:07:51 PM »
Where in NH?

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Re: CZ 527 carbine in .223
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2013, 09:15:14 PM »
Thank You! Love the sights.
The lever actions are on my bucket list to aquire!
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Re: CZ 527 carbine in .223
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2013, 09:35:51 PM »
Painter,

 I'm from the Sunapee region. Where in NH are you located?
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Re: CZ 527 carbine in .223
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2013, 06:57:22 AM »
I'm in the 'other; Lakes Region...a couple miles from Squam.
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