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Offline CitizenPete

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Are you new to the VZ.58?  ;D  Welcome!

Samopal vz. 58V


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With the recent purchases of CIA vz2008 VZ.58 variant, there are evidently some folks that have found their way to the Czfirearms.us forum that are new to the intricacies, modifications, and operation of the gun, therefore the following links may be helpful.  It is often difficult to find links on the forum, so I tried to list both forum links and external resources that may answer many of your initial questions.

Be certain to review the “stickies” at the top of the vz.58 forum!

The Czech Samopal (Machine Gun) Model (Vzor) 58 is commonly referred to as the “vz.58” in the U.S. And Canada.

Often folks can't find links to the great information buried deep in this forum.  At the time of this post there were over 21,875 posts in the VZ-58 board alone, not including vz.58 items for sale in the Classified Board or other vz.58 related posts located elsewhere in the forum!



Manual of Arms – Military Manual
Probably the best and first reference for basic Vz.58 questions.:

http://cz-usa.com/hammer/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/vz-58-military-manual.pdf

Zeroing Iron Sights of the Sa. Vz.58 (and variants):

http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=50980.new#new


Simple Video Review of Czechpoint USA VZ.58 variant and comparison to AKM by MAC
https://www.full30.com/video/68454dc15833ad671940b6aa9f83989e?utm_source=system&utm_medium=email&utm_content=mac&utm_campaign=subscribers


Disassembly Video
Watch this video enough times that you can sing along, and you'll be a semi-auto Vz.58 breakdown master:



How the F.A. (full-auto) FCG (fire control group) works in a Sa.Vz58 and how to remove and replace:



Animation of FCG:



How to remove the Folding Stock
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=68319.msg471484#msg471484

Headspace Discussions and resources
1. http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=70213.msg491573#msg491573
2. http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=72165.msg510554#msg510554
3. http://www.projectguns.com/vz581.html

Century Arms International (CAI) Vz2008 variant potential modifications.
Forced March (Morgan), who offers vz.58 services, such as tab welding and trigger work (see sticky) put together a YT video on some of the issues he has seen on the vz2008 and possible fixes.

Feed issues (esp. with brass cases)
Ramp issues:
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=26300.msg139288#msg139288

Receiver interference/jams with brass (sticky)
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=78148.msg565792#msg565792


Gunsmith Services
Sticky: WELDING SERVICE for vz2008 & vz58 
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=61434.0

Vz.58 variant Gunsmith services:

Check with your local shop?  Some of vz.58 work is generic, and can potentially be performed by any competent gunsmith. (e.g. pinning brake, tab welding, etc.)

FMFInnovations - contact for pricing on various services.  <forcedmarchfabrication@gmail.com>
See: Tab welding Sticky (ibid), also does TBR/TMR, trigger work, etc. http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=61434.msg404526#msg404526
YT Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1qFiCHbw9WSDbk9ASK_waA

CMP Armory - some prices below from time of this post, contact for services and pricing on custom work:
http://www.cmparmory.com/   (704)674-2058
- $250 builds from your parts kit  (they were directly involved in developing CNCW vz.58 receivers)
- $175 KD Gunkote (entire vz.58)

Ohio Ordnance Works (OOW) - contact for available services and pricing on work:
http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/our-services
Not the cheapest, but certainly one of the very best.

Accessories and Parts
Sticky list: http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=56964.0
OOW: http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/parts/vz-58-parts
Bonesteel: Re: new and used vz58 parts available at bonesteelarms.com 
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=43268.0
RTGparts: http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/VZ58-c302.htm?pageStyle=h&ProdSort=19&page=2&idCategory=302
ebay: [url=http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=vz.58&_dmd=1&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR7.TRC2.A0.H0.Xvz+58.TRS0&_nkw=vz+58&_sacat=0]http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=vz.58&_dmd=1&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR7.TRC2.A0.H0.Xvz+58.TRS0&_nkw=vz+58&_sacat=0

Gunbroker: http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=%22vz.58%22
Spares discussion:
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=23723.msg122838#msg122838

Pictures, Videos, and Media
Pictures post: http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=67867.90
Video Library: http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=69163.msg480751#msg480751
Afghanistan vz.58 http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=68238.msg470703#msg470703
Movies with the Samopal Vz.58
url=http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/SA_Vz.58_assault_rifle

CSA Sa. Vz.58 from Czech Small Arms (CSA) Importer: Czechpoint-USA:
Site: https://www.czechpoint-usa.com/products
Previous Posts: http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?action=profile;u=12913;area=showposts;start=15
CSA - Compact vz.58 Pistol
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=228308&highlight=vz.58

The “Gremlin” (Hermex) Fail-to-Fire fix and other known issues
How to test for it:
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=65044.msg440410#msg440410

http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=26292.15

Sticky:  http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=63408.msg423109#msg423109
vz2008 new disconnector does not solve gremlinhttp://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=72238.30

vz2008 disconnector fixhttp://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=72799.msg516110#msg516110

Articles and Reviews of the Vz.58
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vz._58

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/04/joe-grine/gun-review-czech-vzor-58/

http://gunlab.net/cut-away-cz-58/
Vz58 Primer and FAQ on CanadianGunNutz(login required)

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/94717-VZ-58s-and-more-FAQs-are-Post-1?p=246474#post246474


AK vs. Sa.58
Maybe your already familiar with the AKM, so how does the Vz.58 compare?



http://vz59.blogspot.com/2015/02/an-illustrative-comparison-of-vz-58-and.html

http://firearmshistory.blogspot.com/2015/01/differences-between-vz-58-and-ak.html

http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/28/why-the-vz-58-is-better-than-the-ak-47/

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/08/03/czech-vz-58-vs-kalashnikovak-47/




922R Compliance
Sticky: http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=17598.0

http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=63778.msg487980#msg487980

Also check out www.922r.com


Suppressor / Silencer / Sub Sonic
rounds  / Related Gas issues - with vz.58
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=71641.msg505647#msg505647

http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=79244.msg579350#msg579350

http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=73335.0

http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=77239.0




Vz.58 Build Tutorials
Project Guns – (ORF Receiver)
http://www.projectguns.com/vz581.html
Rapid Fire RVZ58
http://www.autochart.com/vz58.htm
Setting the barrel:
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=73146.msg519437#msg519437
AK47 build (stamped receiver) -- not a milled VZ58, but a lot of similar methods setting / pinning and aligning barrel, etc.
https://www.full30.com/video/e3e09da0cb6b86aaa284b487b080c9fe
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VZ.58 vs. BREN 805
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=68237.0
« Last Edit: November 01, 2017, 01:05:25 PM by CitizenPete »
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THIS IS TOP NOTCH WORK!!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!! :) :) :) :)

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Great info thanks CitizenPete ;)

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Excellent Post and references!  8)  Stickeyed!  :)
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Thanks for posting this Citizenpete.
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Added a few things as forum members put more great information up.  Thanks guys for all the great information!
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Added gunsmith I stumbled on.
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This is a first class reference thread.  Thanks guys.  8)


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Revision. Added an AK47 build video from AK Operators Union/Definitive Arms that demonstrates some of the same process and alignment techniques for headspace barrel sights etc.  Even though AK receiver is stamped with riveted trunnions, the setting of the barrel is similar and the video shows some "best practices" IMHO. Link was  added to build section, which is at the bottom of reference.

Added reference for vz2008 feed issues (new and older posts.)
« Last Edit: March 15, 2016, 02:13:40 PM by CitizenPete »
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Added link to new VZ.58 review and AKM comparison by MAC
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FYI-The TD Tactical link under Gunsmith Services is no longer working.

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FYI-The TD Tactical link under Gunsmith Services is no longer working.


thanks
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