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Offline M1A4ME

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Re: Anyone else think this is nuts?
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2016, 01:13:53 PM »
In some places/states hunting with FMJ ammo is against the law.

Bullet placement beats velocity just about every time.

Have you tried the heavier .223 bullets? 

Funny (not haha funny) that we send our soldiers and Marines out to fight armed enemy with a round that doesn't reliably put down a coyote.

I've never hunted coyotes, foxes, bobcats, etc.  Just ground hogs.  Head shots kill, right now.  A little bit off, not so much.  The .223, in the right rifle, with the right ammo and the right shooter is hard to beat as a varmint rifle.

I'll bet it's hard to get comfortable/accurate shooting out of a golf cart.  Have you tried tacking the camo/cover down at an angle and moving around under it to engage the coyotes from a good sitting or prone firing position?

I read a story in Guns and Ammo many years ago.  At that time one of the writers was Elmer Keith (I don't remember if he was the handgun editor or if Bob Milek had moved into that position by then.)

Elmer said that he a buddy used to try all kinds of different calibers/bullet types on the various varmints/animals they came across while out riding their horses around the country side.  He say a 9MM FMJ round would not reliably put down their big western jack rabbits unless you made a good head shot.  If shot through the body they would often jump/run some distance before collapsing. 

They also got on a lathe and made a bunch of solid bronze bullets for a .220 Swift.  I don't remember the bullet weight but those lightweight bullets had to be absolutely packing the mail when they left the muzzle.  They were of course, non expanding when hitting and animal.  When they shot jack rabbits in the head the rabbit died.  When they shot them in the body the rabbit would pick it's hind leg up, scratch at the wound and then continue to eat awhile until it collapsed at some point.  He decided from that, that even extremely high velocity alone wasn't enough without good bullet placement.

Having typed all that, coyote hunting with a pistol might be fun.  Squirrel hunting with a .22 (Ruger Mk1 5.5" bull barrel) used to be a lot of fun for me.
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Re: Anyone else think this is nuts?
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2016, 10:34:27 PM »
You'll be just fine killing clothes at 100yrds a 9mm will punch thru them with ease it's all about bullet placement like with ANY weapon that 9mm will kill a deer at that range don't let folks sway you otherwise they just don't have the experience if they say different. Just always choose the right ammo the bullet is key it needs to mushroom but don't use defense ammo there designed to under penetrate just a good lead tipped hollow point will do the job perfectly.

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Re: Anyone else think this is nuts?
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2016, 12:53:20 PM »
Nuts nuthin, I think it sounds like fun.  I'd choose an expanding type bullet for coyotes, one that shoots accurately from your gun.

I am looking forward to hunting with my Scorpion Carbine.  Bunny rabbits won't stand a chance!

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Re: Anyone else think this is nuts?
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2016, 10:10:41 PM »
I have  shot a few canines with my cz 75 in 9mm all shot close 10 yards or less .using a decoy dog switch to a .40 for my carry ,and a howa .308 for serious coyote wacking ,I'v eaten horse but never tried dog   
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Re: Anyone else think this is nuts?
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2017, 04:48:41 PM »
Mack, those appear to be some extemely healthy coyotes you have there (except for the entrance/exit holes in them). ;D

If I didn't see the brushland in the background, I wouldn't hesitate to guess that those varmints could come from here out east/north (MI).

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Re: Anyone else think this is nuts?
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2017, 11:30:37 PM »
 I do most of my yote hunting at night. I use a 6.5 Grendel for the 75 to 100 yds with thermal, and a uzi carbine  for anything less. At night they come in a lot closer than daytime.

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Re: Anyone else think this is nuts?
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2017, 10:53:48 AM »
I prefer my Ruger American 30.06 for Coyote Hunting. I've also had success with my AR and my Henry .17 . I can see where hunting with the Scorpion can be great fun but , a little challenging !

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Re: Anyone else think this is nuts?
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2017, 02:20:16 PM »
While the 9mm Skorpion is certainly capable of killing a Coyote, I'm thinking your BREN or Cz527 are more suitable to the task.

Typically, I use an accurized Ruger Mini-14 and a handloaded 52 grain CCI/Speer FB-JHP Bullet that expands nicely.  Winchester 55 grain Soft Points also work nicely, if Factory Ammunition is all you can manage. 

Also note that Speer makes a Boat Tailed 52 grain Bullet, which is only a Target Bullet.  It will not expand, no matter how much you want it to.

I have called Coyotes in with a Tape Cassette of a wounded Rabbit call and have just hunted them from a Tree Stand near a Chicken Coup.
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For all of those killed by a 9mm: "Get up! You are not dead! You were shot with a useless cartridge!"

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Re: Anyone else think this is nuts?
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2017, 04:10:24 PM »
I hunt in hilly brushy draws in So Iowa and most of my Yotes are taken at 20- 50 yards. My main rifle is a 16" BCM AR with a  cheap RDS  using Hornady 53 grain expanding points. Some will drop in their tracks and others will run. Shot placement is very hard at close range as it is snap shooting. I have brought along a shot gun with a 20" barrel but haven't had a chance to use it.
I don't see why a pistol cartridge wouldn't work at close range.
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Re: Anyone else think this is nuts?
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2017, 04:32:40 PM »
I have a Tikka .243 which works well on "ole' Wiley Coyote''. A well placed 95 gr. Fusion will roll 'em over!

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Re: Anyone else think this is nuts?
« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2017, 12:28:24 PM »
I've been given enough from all sides to make me reconsider my czoice of coyote killers...maybe the CZ 527M/CSR would be a better idea. :) A 125 grain soft point stepping out at 2300 FPS might do a better job.
What 5.56mm ammo were you using, if you don't mind me asking?
Franz, we don't eat "dog", (coyotes aren't dogs), but we do hunt varmints and pests. Coyotes do huge damage to livestock around here, and I have friends with goat farms and cattle ranches out here. Coyotes have been known to attack and eat a calf while it's still being born.

Quick science derail....

Any form of eradication has little to no effect on coyotes, and yes coyotes, dogs, and wolves are all related.

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Re: Anyone else think this is nuts?
« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2017, 01:02:09 PM »
I've been given enough from all sides to make me reconsider my czoice of coyote killers...maybe the CZ 527M/CSR would be a better idea. :) A 125 grain soft point stepping out at 2300 FPS might do a better job.
What 5.56mm ammo were you using, if you don't mind me asking?
Franz, we don't eat "dog", (coyotes aren't dogs), but we do hunt varmints and pests. Coyotes do huge damage to livestock around here, and I have friends with goat farms and cattle ranches out here. Coyotes have been known to attack and eat a calf while it's still being born.

Quick science derail....

Any form of eradication has little to no effect on coyotes, and yes coyotes, dogs, and wolves are all related.
Your "science" isn't settled.

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Re: Anyone else think this is nuts?
« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2017, 01:14:06 PM »
Sorry, didn't mean to initiate any argument.  That wasn't my intention.  I was just trying to share some knowledge I've learned over the years.  I was an avid yote hunter some time ago.  Your 6.5 Grendel idea is an excellent option, you'll be able to reach out and touch them quite a ways off.  Good luck.

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Re: Anyone else think this is nuts?
« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2017, 02:22:20 PM »
Sorry, didn't mean to initiate any argument.  That wasn't my intention.  I was just trying to share some knowledge I've learned over the years.  I was an avid yote hunter some time ago.  Your 6.5 Grendel idea is an excellent option, you'll be able to reach out and touch them quite a ways off.  Good luck.
No argument intended here either. I've read some of those studies as well as others that draw different conclusions. My hope is that the Grendel will be a bit more "decisive" than .223, don't want to wound them or cause unnecessary suffering. Most of my shots are under 200yds without much chance for a follow up. Yotes in my area(East Tn) are under a lot of pressure and aren't visible for long. Wiley would be an understatement.