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Offline IDescribe

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Re: 9mm and Alliant BE86
« Reply #60 on: October 11, 2017, 02:33:18 AM »
For reference, from Montana Gold, 124gr JHP are 9 cents when you buy a case of 3750, and 26.5 cents per bullet by the 100.
 I'm not saying it will be that big of a swing, but be aware of the per bullet upcharge.

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Re: 9mm and Alliant BE86
« Reply #61 on: October 11, 2017, 06:34:26 AM »
Before Wobbly took it into his own hands, we had

  • Berry's 124gr RN plated
  • XTreme 147gr plated
  • RMR 124gr Match FP plated
  • Unknown 115gr JHP
  • RMR 124gr FMJ-RN


So what you're saying is that in this entire 4 page thread, no one ever tested BE-86 with 124gr JHP bullets in a "full length" barrel ?

YUP!  ;)

I frequently try to turn the plated shooters onto 124gr JHP, so... not my fault. 

I'm pretty sure we can point the finger at Painter for this lapse.  ;)
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Re: 9mm and Alliant BE86
« Reply #62 on: October 11, 2017, 03:07:52 PM »
Thanks for pulling that all together IDescribe!

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Re: 9mm and Alliant BE86
« Reply #63 on: October 12, 2017, 12:28:46 AM »
Does anyone have any comparative data on the BE86 vs the Power Pistol? Is there a major difference in burn rate? Charge weights?


Power pistol is a little slower. Gives higher energy rounds.


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Re: 9mm and Alliant BE86
« Reply #64 on: October 13, 2017, 05:08:43 PM »
OK, kids ! I had time to do a 50 round test today using BE-86, and I was very happy with the results.

Bullets: Precision Delta 124gr JHP
Brass: Mixed
Powder: Alliant BE-86 (4.7gr to 5.1gr)
Primer: Federal Small Pistol
OAL: 1.110"
Pistol: SP-01 Tac
10 rounds each, slow fired
70F and highly overcast
ProChrono

Load      Avg Vel           SD
4.7             995              13
4.8           1033              11
4.9           1053              10
5.0           1071              14
5.1           1093              14

NOTES
• This powder burned remarkably clean, even at 4.7gr
• I attribute the low SD numbers to the powder and not my reloading technique
• I would recommend 4.9gr for competition and 4.9-5.0gr for general plinking
• At ~4.9gr the sights were aimed true for 50 foot targets
• I was also happy to fire 50 rounds and not hit my chrono.

Hope this helps.   ;)
« Last Edit: October 13, 2017, 05:10:16 PM by Wobbly »
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Re: 9mm and Alliant BE86
« Reply #65 on: October 13, 2017, 05:36:25 PM »
Thanks Wobbly!

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Re: 9mm and Alliant BE86
« Reply #66 on: October 13, 2017, 05:37:53 PM »

Load      Avg Vel         Velocity +
4.7             995             
4.8           1033              +38
4.9           1053              +20
5.0           1071              +18
5.1           1093              +22


It looks like you start getting a good, timely pressure seal there at 4.8.  And just from what my own 75 ShadowLine does with 124gr bullets, I'm guessing 5.0 is a straight shooter.  Very interesting.   8)

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Re: 9mm and Alliant BE86
« Reply #67 on: October 13, 2017, 06:53:49 PM »
It looks like you start getting a good, timely pressure seal there at 4.8.  And just from what my own 75 ShadowLine does with 124gr bullets, I'm guessing 5.0 is a straight shooter.  Very interesting.   8)


The powder was burning so clean (even at 4.7gr) that no smut was left on the outside on any of the 50 fired cases. You may be right about the sealing. There may be blow-by, but there are no tell-tale indications on the brass.

Simply amazing. Not what I expected. I'm ordering more BE-86.

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Re: 9mm and Alliant BE86
« Reply #68 on: October 13, 2017, 08:38:44 PM »
That does look and sound good.
Curious:  How did the feed ramp, trigger bar and chamber look after firing 50?
"Are you ready"..... to quit n320? :o
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Re: 9mm and Alliant BE86
« Reply #69 on: October 13, 2017, 11:50:09 PM »


Caliber

Bullet

Case

Minimum OAL
(inches)

Bbl Length

Primer

Powder

Charge Weight
(grains)

Velocity
(fps)

Notes

9mm Luger 115 gr FMJ Federal 1.12 4 Fed 100 BE-86 6.1 1,219 -
9mm Luger 124 gr FMJ federal 1.12 4 Fed 100 BE-86 5.8 1,167 -
9mm Luger 115 gr JHP Federal 1.12 4 Fed 100 BE-86 6.3 1,238 -
9mm Luger 124 gr JHP Federal 1.12 4 Fed 100 BE-86 5.9 1,175 -
9mm Luger 147 gr JHP Federal 1.12 4 Fed 100 BE-86 5.1 1,020 -
9mm Luger 125 gr Lead RN Federal 1.12 4 Fed 100 BE-86 5.7 1,179 -
9mm Luger 147 FP Federal 1.08 4 Fed 100 BE-86 4.7 999 -
9mm Luger Speer 115 gr CPRN Federal 1.135 4 CCI 500 BE-86 6.3 1,226 -


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Re: 9mm and Alliant BE86
« Reply #70 on: October 14, 2017, 01:45:36 AM »

• At ~4.9gr the sights were aimed true for 50 foot targets


So 4.9 was right for lining up POA and POI.   How did you feel about accuracy, in general?  Not looking for measurements, just your impression.  I know you know how your groups generally look.  ;)

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Re: 9mm and Alliant BE86
« Reply #71 on: October 14, 2017, 09:46:03 AM »
► I did have a target on the far side of the chrono, just to make sure the chrono wasn't hit. I was also using a bench rest with the heel of the pistol resting on a sheet of some very dense foam. You can definitely see 5 distinct groups climbing the target. However, I don't want to call one load better than the other because I wasn't "shooting for accuracy".

► Also I did not clean my gun before starting, so I cannot comment on cleanliness other than to say it looked no worse. I have another batch of 50 worked up, and that will be a good thing to test.

► No, I'm not giving up on N320 or N330. But these newer powders (BE-86 and probably the new ones from IMR) will give VihtaVuori a run for their money. VV will either need to drop their prices to sell in the US or go home. Some product lines (like cars and liquors) can demand a higher price simply based on their name. I'm not sure you can pull that off in reloading, mainly because (unlike cars) most people start reloading to save money.

Of course, I've been wrong before. Just like Lexus rising to the price of a BMW, powders like BE-86 could always collect their own "snob appeal" and rise to the price level of the VV product line !!  :P

And of course, that's what we need in competitive shooting. People walking around with their nose stuck up in the air with a patch on their shirt that says "Don't even talk to me unless you're loading XXXX powder". Yikes !

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