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Offline newrival

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Jerry Brown, California, and the BAN on ALL HIGH-CAP MAGS
« on: August 19, 2016, 06:37:42 PM »
Well I didn't even know about this until my friend sent me a link about it today..
So recently, Jerry Brown, Governor of California, signed six (6) new anti-gun laws in response to attacks.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-brown-guns-20160701-snap-story.html
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/state/california/article88749397.html
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/07/01/california-bans-high-capacity-gun-magazines/
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/07/03/california-governor-signs-bill-for-surrender-or-disposal-of-high-capacity-gun-magazines/
  • A person who, prior to July 1, 2017, legally possesses a large-capacity magazine shall dispose of that magazine by any of the following means:
    (1) Remove the large-capacity magazine from the state.
    (2) Prior to July 1, 2017, sell the large-capacity magazine to a licensed firearms dealer.
    (3) Destroy the large-capacity magazine.
    (4) Surrender the large-capacity magazine to a law enforcement agency for destruction"
  • Q: I’m a competitive shooter and use guns with large-capacity magazines. Can I continue practicing my sport in California?

    A: Some shooting competitions use guns that accept magazines larger than those California now prohibits. Participants have been able to get around that until now provided their magazines are old enough that they didn’t buy them before California outlawed sales of such magazines.
    But now, if your gun can take a lower-capacity magazine, you have to use it while in California.

Although I am more aligned as a Democrat than a Republican, I believe in my 2nd Amendment rights. This seems even more outrageous!!
I mean I guess the only legislation I'm "okay" with is the background check on ammunition. I'm a law-abiding citizen, not even a single speeding ticket (although many parking tickets  ;D) so I guess this wouldn't affect me, just more of a hassle.

I mean before, the 'high cap ban' only really meant the sale, import, manufactoring, etc of high cap magazines into/in California, but it still meant  that it was legal to be in possession of high-cap magazines as long as it was before the ban. But now... it seems like we have until July 1st, 2017 to dispose of them all.
So what happens to USPSA in California? I find it kinda dumb that only California would essentially be 10-round for ALL divisons, even Open...
« Last Edit: August 19, 2016, 06:39:34 PM by newrival »
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Offline Earl Keese

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Re: Jerry Brown, California, and the BAN on ALL HIGH-CAP MAGS
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2016, 07:02:17 PM »
Quote from: newrival
I'm a law-abiding citizen, not even a single speeding ticket (although many parking tickets  ;D) so I guess this wouldn't affect me, just more of a hassle.
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2016, 07:09:48 PM »
That background check on ammo, and restrictions on amounts to be purchased through mail applies to bullets (projectiles for reloading) too. 

Letting gun control slowly creep in, inch by inch is what got Californians into their current predicament. 

Being "ok with" any other restrictions is the path towards total loss of all of your gun rights.

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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2016, 07:16:06 PM »
That background check on ammo, and restrictions on amounts to be purchased through mail applies to bullets (projectiles for reloading) too. 

Letting gun control slowly creep in, inch by inch is what got Californians into their current predicament. 

Being "ok with" any other restrictions is the path towards total loss of all of your gun rights.

That makes sense. Well when push comes to shove, I'll be out of this state within 10 years, hopefully it doesn't come to that.
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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2016, 10:05:03 PM »
That background check on ammo, and restrictions on amounts to be purchased through mail applies to bullets (projectiles for reloading) too. 

Letting gun control slowly creep in, inch by inch is what got Californians into their current predicament. 

Being "ok with" any other restrictions is the path towards total loss of all of your gun rights.

That makes sense. Well when push comes to shove, I'll be out of this state within 10 years, hopefully it doesn't come to that.

Push is coming to shove.

You should visit another state that has more constitutional gun laws.  See how much easier it is to be a gun owner in another state.  Note that the violent crime is not worse.  Then return to California and understand that there is a bigger agenda and s longer range goal, and Californians have allowed themselvrs to be led down that path, a little at a time "because it was common sense" or "it is for the children".  Then understand why the California govt runs more parts of your day to day lives, charges more fees and taxes for you to perform your daily tasks and recreation.  It's because they can get away with more and more knowing you can do less and less about it.

The more you have the "Govt" "Provide", the more they take away from the actual citizens of the state. 

I was raised in California.  Joined the military, saw how much more freedom I had, how much less it cost me to live, and how much less other states screwed with my life and livelihood.  I won't go back until the idiots all die or abandon the wasteland that was once a land of freedom, and individualism, and became a collective doomed to fail.

Geographically Ca. Has a lot to offer.  Unfortunately the voting majority ruined what I remember if Ca. 

Before I left I could buy an AK clone, an AR with standard mags.  Buy ammo by the case.  Reload without accounting to the Sacramento nanny.  That was 23 years ago.  Another 10-20 years I'm thinking CA will be "gun free".  Other Californians will move up the coast and complete the envisioned Pacific gun control wall.

I live in Wa. And already see that the tech indistty has filled Seattle with tech employees from CA who are spreading the same gun ideas here, that didn't exist here 10 years ago.

I'd welcome the 2nd amendment refugees who could be a rugged individualist and not want to spread a social agenda up here and out power the voting trend here now with regard to gun control.

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Re: Jerry Brown, California, and the BAN on ALL HIGH-CAP MAGS
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2016, 10:10:30 PM »
Dont take this the wrong way but if you move to AZ like so many new residents please leave your belief that restrictions to our 2nd amendment rights are OK if they aren't a big hassle. Come here and enjoy the freedom. Walk down the street with a P09 on your hip and a PCR under your shirt. Keep a Scorpion and 10 30rnd mags in the truck of your car. If you don't want to that's fine but don't tell me I can't. That's how CA got where it is today.


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Re: Jerry Brown, California, and the BAN on ALL HIGH-CAP MAGS
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2016, 01:02:14 AM »
A free citizen should have any rights restricted. When rights are restricted we cease to be free citizens and become subjects to the ruling aristocracy. Our "freedom" has deteriorated dramatically since World War 1. In the 1920's you could mail order a Thompson sub machine gun and it would be delivered directly to your door, let alone a shotgun, rifle, or handgun. Now some states outlaw magazines over 10 rounds.

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Re: Jerry Brown, California, and the BAN on ALL HIGH-CAP MAGS
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2016, 12:50:42 PM »
I find it odd that you just found out about this. You really need to pay more attention to what your government is doing, IMHO

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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2016, 08:38:09 PM »
I find it odd that you just found out about this. You really need to pay more attention to what your government is doing, IMHO

I didn't just find out, just restating the obvious.

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Re: Jerry Brown, California, and the BAN on ALL HIGH-CAP MAGS
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2016, 11:35:36 PM »
I was referring To the OP, not you Rhino.

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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2016, 01:04:01 AM »
I was referring To the OP, not you Rhino.

Doh! 😄

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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2016, 01:14:20 PM »
I think our point of view are going to be rather different.  Based on these two quotes specifically.  And I will address each with my point of view.

Although I am more aligned as a Democrat than a Republican, I believe in my 2nd Amendment rights. This seems even more outrageous!!
I mean I guess the only legislation I'm "okay" with is the background check on ammunition. I'm a law-abiding citizen, not even a single speeding ticket (although many parking tickets  ;D) so I guess this wouldn't affect me, just more of a hassle.

I guess you'd be wrong.

If you regularly break the law doing something as simple as not parking your car how you're supposed to, you're still a criminal and how are you going to be trusted not breaking the law with your gun?

Just because your elected politicians haven't banned you from owning a gun or ammunition yet, give it time.  That's just one example of their logic and how things could change.

Before long, you'll have to have no criminal record whatsoever to be able to exersize your RIGHT.

California has attempted to make the 2A as burdensome as possible.  While not outright banning things, but making it prohibitive to ship anything to the state (in other words, meaning, making it difficult to ship to you), that many manufacturers and dealers outside of Kalifornia refuse to do business with a California address.  Just look on gunbroker if you need proof of that.  Or a google search of FIREARM MANUFACTURER THAT WON'T SHIP TO CALIFORNIA.  You may be surprised to find out how many hits you'll get.

In my humble opinion, a Right is something that you're born with.  And we are allowed certain rights by birth here.

A privilege is something that can be taken away.

Personally, I think they have already broken the Constitution already.

What's one more infringement?  Maybe the next time, they'll infringe on your freedom of speech and not let you publically complain about them taking your guns without a warrant too.


That makes sense. Well when push comes to shove, I'll be out of this state within 10 years, hopefully it doesn't come to that.

I don't really know what to say about that.  I guess we're just from different worlds.

When push comes to shove, I don't run away.

I stand my ground and push back.  And I have done so on the steps of the capital and phone calls and emails, and at the ballot box.  Sorry, but I don't just take what's dished out to me if it is wrong.

I don't want you to think I'm bashing you.  I am not.  I am not belittling you or anything else.  Simply having a discussion.

I would like to ask that you take a few minutes out of your day and watch this.  I believe that it may help you understand why our Bill of Rights were made and what it actually means.

Give them an inch and eventually they'll become a ruler.

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Re: Jerry Brown, California, and the BAN on ALL HIGH-CAP MAGS
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2016, 07:24:13 PM »
I'm California born and raised.

I'm also OUT of this Socialist-Liberal Nanny State (tm) within a year.

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Re: Jerry Brown, California, and the BAN on ALL HIGH-CAP MAGS
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2016, 07:48:25 PM »
lol
it's obvious to me op actually voted gov brown in



how about background checks for ignorance before being allowed to vote
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Re: Jerry Brown, California, and the BAN on ALL HIGH-CAP MAGS
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2016, 06:14:17 AM »
Bottom line, a vote for any Democrat politician is a vote to destroy the Second Amendment. Many local pols pretend to be big Second Amendment guys. But when one of the anti-Second Amendment guys comes to town they fawn all over him or her. The creepiness of the anti-Second Amendment Democrats is a lot like crab grass in the yard. If you see one or two tiny sprigs today, then next week it has taken over. That is if you stand by and let it. Support Freedom.