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Offline Rod Slinger

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« on: June 18, 2007, 04:25:40 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2007, 12:01:32 PM »
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I'm I having problems posting pictures of what?  Sorry for sharing such a mess with you.  Maybe and old dog can't learn a new trick?   Any way as you can see I have been busy installing fiber optic sights on many guns that were never intended to have these sights.  This started last fall and I promised to share the results so here goes.

The original plan was to use TruGlo Tritium/Fiber Optic sights.  These sights are truly 24/7 day and night sights. The good folks at TruGlo wanted nothing to do with installing their sights on guns other than the small group they support.  If I was Military or Police maybe I would have had better results.

So on to plan B, Hiviz.  I can't say enough about Carl at Hiviz.  Without his help this project could not have gotten of the ground.   In the picture of the four guns all but the R.A.P.  have Hiviz sights.   If any member would like me to talk you through this project I would be glad to go into greater detail.   R. S.
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2007, 12:07:19 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2007, 03:32:52 PM »
jwc007 asked me to go into greater detail on what was involved in installing the sight on my Witness.

At this time I wanted to replace the front sight only.  This meant that I had to find a sight which was made for a different pistol and install it on my Witness.  The first order of business was to regulate the current sight so it would shoot to point of aim.  The gun shot low so it was a simple matter to file down the front sight and bring it to center of target.
Now I was ready to measure from the top of slide at the base of the rib to the top of the front sight.  This measurement was important as I could not use a front sight that was higher than the combined measurement of sight and rib.
I chose a Sig 226 sight which would work if I machined twenty thousandth off the rib and could find a carbide cutter at 70 to 72 degrees.  I chose to cut the sight rib from the ejection port to front of slide.  This resulted in a level sight rib which I find to be pleasing to the eye.  A word of caution before milling the rib you need to level the cutter to the rib not the base of the slide.  By doing this the serrations terminate evenly in front of the new sight.  Next is polishing out the tooling marks left from the carbide cutter.  Now is the time to cut the dovetail.  I also chose to cut a two thousandth recess for the front sight to rest in.  This would make sure nothing could catch under the sight and the slide.  If I am lucky I will have pictures which will show this work.    R S
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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2007, 03:38:26 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2007, 03:40:34 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2008, 02:57:28 PM »
Bumped and Stickeyed, since this topic comes up from time to time.
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2008, 01:10:30 PM »
What about the factory fiber optic sight for the Match? I recently picked up a 10mm Match, and would love to put a factory fiber optic sight on it? How well do they work? Are they available? How much do they cost?

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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2008, 06:01:11 PM »
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What about the factory fiber optic sight for the Match? I recently picked up a 10mm Match, and would love to put a factory fiber optic sight on it? How well   do they work? Are they available? How much do they cost?


Henning  has them.



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Re: Fiber Optic Sights for the Witness
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2008, 10:30:31 AM »
That is excellent work Rod Slinger!  Congradulations on a job well done!

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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2009, 10:45:30 AM »
Hi all,
Last fall I picked up an old Glock 19 just to fool around with and I ran across a HiViz fiber optic sight on ebay that was really cheap so I decided to try it out. The first time at the range I couldn't believe I had ignored these sights for all these years. Well, like all the other Glocks I've ever had, I sold it after a while and went back to my favorite, my all steel Witness. I immediately started trying to find a way to put a fiber optic front sight on the Witness. I read Rod Slinger's post on this forum and like everyone else was impressed with his handiwork. I do not have access to a milling machine so doing the work myself was out. I called a very reputable Gunsmith in my area and told him what I wanted to do but he no longer had a milling machine either and couldn't do the dovetail for me. He suggested EGW (Evolution Gun Works). So I looked through their websight and they do offer the service on EAA guns...but for $140 plus shipping each way! Well, I'm pretty stingy and I only paid $300 for the gun so I didn't want to spend almost that much again just to get a fiber front sight. That started me looking for some other way to do it. I had already wondered if I could make the original front sight into a fiber optic sight and I started giving that some more thought. It took me a month to work up the courage to fire up the Dremel on the 'ol Witness but I finally did. I think it turned out pretty well so I decided to share it with you guys. I did all of it freehand with a Dremel cutoff wheel and a small file. I drilled the hole for the optic rod using a 1/16" cobalt drill bit in a Harbor Freight $39 drill press. The fiber optic rod came from Dawson Precision. It is 0.060" replacement rod and fits the 1/16" hole perfectly. 3" of the rod cost $7.70 with shipping and that was my total investment in this project.
As you can see from the pictures it isn't perfect but it's as straight as I could get it without some sort of jig. The biggest drawback to doing it this way is the shortness of the rod. Because it is so short it doesn't gather as much light and therefore isn't as bright as an aftermarket factory produced sight like the one Rod Slinger used. I am still pondering ways to use a longer rod. For one thing, I plan to thin the front support so that more of the rod will be exposed.
I hope this is helpful to other Witness lovers. Here are the pictures.

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Re: Fiber Optic Front Sight - A Second Option
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2009, 01:43:56 PM »
nice job, it is amazing what you can do when you put your mind to it.. 8)
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Re: Fiber Optic Front Sight - A Second Option
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2009, 04:14:05 PM »
nice job, it is amazing what you can do when you put your mind to it.. 8)

+1!  Very ingenious!
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Re: Fiber Optic Front Sight - A Second Option
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2009, 09:37:05 PM »
Impressive handiwork as well BurBoy. Was the steel pretty tough or did the drill and dremel tear it up pretty easily?    Your post should be in that sticky so it don't get lost.
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Re: Fiber Optic Front Sight - A Second Option
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2009, 12:45:19 AM »
Your post should be in that sticky so it don't get lost.

I think I'll merge this into the end of Rod's thread after a bit, so that others have a bit more of a chance to chime in.  Let's give it a week.
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