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Offline SteelHorseCowboy

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Re: Ugly Duckling VZOR 70
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2017, 07:36:05 AM »
Very nice! Did it seem scary to you, inducing rust on a gun instead of working to prevent it? First time I did it I was in a mild state of panic the entire time.
Astonishing what a nice bluing job can do for an older (non-minty) gun! Thinking I want to do that with my CZ 70 now! :D
Do it and post pics!

Forgive the noob question, but is it necessary to remove the old bluing first?

Do you have a link to the product you used for this? Thanks!
Yes. Rule of thumb, anytime you refinish anything, surface prep is always one of, if not the most important steps. If the surface isn't uniform, the refinish won't be uniform.
Birchwood Casey has a blue remover, main active ingredient is phosphoric acid. You probably won't drink sodas again for a while afterwards, it smells a little like old, flat, stale Coca-Cola. Then you realize the ingredient that's eating off the old finish is also a Coke ingredient going into your stomach...

What I found to be the easiest for me was to find a machine shop, or powder coating/welding/automotive shop with a blasting cabinet, then pay to have it bead blasted. Removes the old finish and leaves a uniform matte texture in it's place, which was easier for me to blacken. Most it ever cost me was $40. In my opinion, well worth the time and energy it saved me.

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Re: Ugly Duckling VZOR 70
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2017, 12:50:05 PM »
Very nice! Did it seem scary to you, inducing rust on a gun instead of working to prevent it? First time I did it I was in a mild state of panic the entire time.
Astonishing what a nice bluing job can do for an older (non-minty) gun! Thinking I want to do that with my CZ 70 now! :D
Do it and post pics!

Forgive the noob question, but is it necessary to remove the old bluing first?

Do you have a link to the product you used for this? Thanks!
Yes. Rule of thumb, anytime you refinish anything, surface prep is always one of, if not the most important steps. If the surface isn't uniform, the refinish won't be uniform.
Birchwood Casey has a blue remover, main active ingredient is phosphoric acid. You probably won't drink sodas again for a while afterwards, it smells a little like old, flat, stale Coca-Cola. Then you realize the ingredient that's eating off the old finish is also a Coke ingredient going into your stomach...

What I found to be the easiest for me was to find a machine shop, or powder coating/welding/automotive shop with a blasting cabinet, then pay to have it bead blasted. Removes the old finish and leaves a uniform matte texture in it's place, which was easier for me to blacken. Most it ever cost me was $40. In my opinion, well worth the time and energy it saved me.

I would so much like to have a cabinet. I know I would find all sorts of uses for it!  :D

I'm remotely terrified at the prospect of taking this apart again. It was a challenge to reassemble the first time...

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Re: Ugly Duckling VZOR 70
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2017, 11:34:24 AM »
Very nice! Did it seem scary to you, inducing rust on a gun instead of working to prevent it? First time I did it I was in a mild state of panic the entire time.
Astonishing what a nice bluing job can do for an older (non-minty) gun! Thinking I want to do that with my CZ 70 now! :D
Do it and post pics!

Forgive the noob question, but is it necessary to remove the old bluing first?

Do you have a link to the product you used for this? Thanks!
Yes. Rule of thumb, anytime you refinish anything, surface prep is always one of, if not the most important steps. If the surface isn't uniform, the refinish won't be uniform.
Birchwood Casey has a blue remover, main active ingredient is phosphoric acid. You probably won't drink sodas again for a while afterwards, it smells a little like old, flat, stale Coca-Cola. Then you realize the ingredient that's eating off the old finish is also a Coke ingredient going into your stomach...

What I found to be the easiest for me was to find a machine shop, or powder coating/welding/automotive shop with a blasting cabinet, then pay to have it bead blasted. Removes the old finish and leaves a uniform matte texture in it's place, which was easier for me to blacken. Most it ever cost me was $40. In my opinion, well worth the time and energy it saved me.

I would so much like to have a cabinet. I know I would find all sorts of uses for it!  :D

I'm remotely terrified at the prospect of taking this apart again. It was a challenge to reassemble the first time...
Lol, that's not something I'd know anything about, I've never owned any CZ handgun. I'm only on this forum because I recently acquired a CZ 527 carbine and wanted to learn a bit and ask some questions.
But I have refinished a few others here and there.

Offline Earl Keese

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Re: Ugly Duckling VZOR 70
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2017, 08:40:18 PM »
If the gun is blued to start with, you don't have to remove it. Just start filing/sanding as required. White vinegar removed the remaining factory blue no problem.

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Re: Ugly Duckling VZOR 70
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2017, 10:25:12 PM »
I found some stuff that removes rust, old bluing and phosphate like magic. It's called Evapo-Rust. It is safe and has little to no smell. I just fill a Tupperware bowl with it until it covers the gun and let it sit overnight. It will remove everything but Polycoat but it takes the phosphate off of the metal after you remove the Polycoat in a short while. It also works well on Parkerized guns. I buy it by the gallon off of Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/Evapo-Rust-ER012-Original-Super-Remover/dp/B00M0TLQ66/ref=pd_sim_263_5?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=T6N2NXDE0H4KNA1TGCM9
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Re: Ugly Duckling VZOR 70
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2017, 05:01:25 PM »
looks nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Offline Earl Keese

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Re: Ugly Duckling VZOR 70
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2017, 10:50:31 PM »
looks nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks! I don't shoot it much, but it gets handled quite a bit.

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Re: Ugly Duckling VZOR 70
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2017, 10:10:43 PM »
It was crazy to learn that Laurel Mountain is only a 30 min drive from me in my home state. I would love to give this a try though I feel like it may not turn out so good.

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Re: Ugly Duckling VZOR 70
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2017, 10:57:12 PM »
It was crazy to learn that Laurel Mountain is only a 30 min drive from me in my home state. I would love to give this a try though I feel like it may not turn out so good.
It's not so bad when you practice on a $100 clunker. You might just end up with a new favorite to show your friends.

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Re: Ugly Duckling VZOR 70
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2017, 09:40:07 AM »
It's a swan! Nice job!

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Re: Ugly Duckling VZOR 70
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2017, 08:30:08 PM »
It's a swan! Nice job!
Thank you! 😀

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Re: Ugly Duckling VZOR 70
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2017, 12:40:01 PM »
It was crazy to learn that Laurel Mountain is only a 30 min drive from me in my home state. I would love to give this a try though I feel like it may not turn out so good.
It's not so bad when you practice on a $100 clunker. You might just end up with a new favorite to show your friends.

I do have a Marlin 80Dl my wife picked up for 100. Its from around the early 40's with the ballard rifling and shoots dead on without any effort at 50. I did refinish the stock which didn't turn out as great as the Mosins I did, but It would look great rust blued. I would really have to do my homework if i wanted to give this a try. This is a little more complicated than refinishing a stock.