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Offline rdcinhou

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Having a Safe Accidental Discharge
« on: December 20, 2016, 06:26:13 AM »
This video captures an accidental discharge at a competition and how doing all the right things is important:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/12/20/video-proof-accidental-discharges-real/

The text accompanying the article mentions CZ and that the shooter had made changes to the weapon for competition.
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Re: Having a Safe Accidental Discharge
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2016, 07:42:33 AM »
I get the not pointing the gun at your feet, but pointing upwards is considered a "safe direction"? I also fail to see how installing a hammer 1000rnds prior would be different had a gunsmith done it.

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Re: Having a Safe Accidental Discharge
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2016, 08:32:41 AM »
The RSO said it was pointing down, but to me it looked like downrange and slightly up.

I think it was more due to the removal of the firing pin block.
« Last Edit: December 20, 2016, 05:39:07 PM by rdcinhou »
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Re: Having a Safe Accidental Discharge
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2016, 10:43:29 AM »
I'd like too see a more clear vid of this. The whole thing almost appears to be staged. Even if he botched the hammer install the safety notch should catch the hammer should it come free racking the slide. I think far more clarity is needed here before I'm going to buy the scenario.

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Re: Having a Safe Accidental Discharge
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2016, 12:18:13 PM »
This happened in my AO.

I know everybody involved.  It was not staged.

There was lots of shenanigans on that pistol; lots of polishing, smoothing, and gaming to get a ludicrously light trigger.

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Re: Having a Safe Accidental Discharge
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2016, 05:16:43 PM »
If the sear and or hammer hooks were modified to enhance the trigger break, FPB removed, it is quite possible the the slam of the slide going into battery set off the round. We are not allowed to point the pistol up any time while doing the IDPA course. Down range at all times, loading, unloading, even when traversing backwards.

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Re: Having a Safe Accidental Discharge
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2016, 05:48:54 PM »
"There was lots of shenanigans on that pistol; lots of polishing, smoothing, and gaming to get a ludicrously light trigger"

I would no longer trust this gun or consider it safe.

It looks like all the modifications to it turned it into a paper weight until repairs are made.
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Re: Having a Safe Accidental Discharge
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2016, 06:58:42 PM »
This happened in my AO.

I know everybody involved.  It was not staged.

There was lots of shenanigans on that pistol; lots of polishing, smoothing, and gaming to get a ludicrously light trigger.

If this is true then there is nothing accidental about the unintended discharge of that weapon. This discharge was brought about by purely negligent gunsmithing resulting in a gun that is no longer safe to handle. They guy didn't deserve an applause he should have been banned from the range for showing up with such an unsafely modified weapon.

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Re: Having a Safe Accidental Discharge
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2016, 07:38:38 PM »
Well said. ^^^^^^

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Re: Having a Safe Accidental Discharge
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2016, 11:27:00 PM »
Hahahaha! I love the round of . I have to DQ you but let me clap to make you try and feel better about yourself.

I have been DQ'd and it sucks balls. Lol


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Re: Having a Safe Accidental Discharge
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2016, 08:28:55 AM »
The point here is to load and make ready with the gun aimed at the berm/backstop.    That is a good point.  This is a real problem with 15 people lined up under a shed at a bullseye match, especially if three or four are new shooters who don't have safety procedures like this ingrained yet. 

Another reminder here is that parts wear.  A gun that passed its function and safety checks 1000 rounds ago can still malfunction, so keep the gun aimed at the backstop. 

There is a good chance that the shooter may have learned as I have learned, that one can go too far with modifying the parts.  That's a good thing, also. 

The pistol was horizontal when it went off.  You are seeing a grab shot from a video made at 30 frames per second.  I've got some experience here, the bullet exited before the gun recoiled that high.  The RO confirmed the bullet hit the backstop.  That is consistent with where the gun was pointed when it went off and with what I have seen in many hours of editing video. 

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