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Offline K3JB

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Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act 2017.
« on: January 10, 2017, 01:19:31 PM »
 What are your thoughts on this new Bill? How will it affect legal Out Of State CCW holders? Say if you live in NYC and have a out of state license from Florida?
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Re: Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act 2017.
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2017, 01:27:58 PM »
I think it only will only allow ccw holders from their state to carry nationally, not if you have a fla ccw but reside in NYC etc
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Re: Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act 2017.
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2017, 02:06:29 PM »
The last thing we need is Fed.gov involved in CCW - in any shape or form
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Re: Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act 2017.
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2017, 04:38:46 PM »
The last thing we need is Fed.gov involved in CCW - in any shape or form

I'd like too see the states that allow carry all get on the same page as far as reciprocity but I agree we certainly don't need the head aches that federal involvement will bring.

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Re: Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act 2017.
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2017, 08:44:47 PM »
What is really needed is a Supreme Court decision stating that just as states are required to honor other states driver's licenses and marriage licenses, they must also apply full faith and credit to other states CCW.
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Re: Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act 2017.
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2017, 09:33:37 PM »
That would be nice Eastman
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Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act 2017.
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2017, 12:13:48 AM »
What is really needed is a Supreme Court decision stating that just as states are required to honor other states driver's licenses and marriage licenses, they must also apply full faith and credit to other states CCW.
  Even better would be that permits are unconstitutional, and no permit needed for carry across the board.
    I understand what you're saying Eastman, but in a way I have to politely disagree. Just as we keep saying that "they" can't compare a privilege (like DL's for example) to a right (carrying),
I don't think we should compare them either. And if we compare these, then the laws have to be the same across the board. Just like driving and marriage laws are.
    I'd hate for the Supreme Court to say "Ok, all ccw's are the same. So now all states have to follow the same guidelines. We choose CA as the guidelines for the whole country."
    (Just picked CA off the top of my head as an example)
   Until "they" get it thru their thick heads that only law abiding citizens obey the law, it'll never truly be fair IMO.
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Re: Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act 2017.
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2017, 05:16:38 AM »
What is really needed is a Supreme Court decision stating that just as states are required to honor other states driver's licenses and marriage licenses, they must also apply full faith and credit to other states CCW.
  Even better would be that permits are unconstitutional, and no permit needed for carry across the board.
    I understand what you're saying Eastman, but in a way I have to politely disagree. Just as we keep saying that "they" can't compare a privilege (like DL's for example) to a right (carrying),
I don't think we should compare them either. And if we compare these, then the laws have to be the same across the board. Just like driving and marriage laws are.
    I'd hate for the Supreme Court to say "Ok, all ccw's are the same. So now all states have to follow the same guidelines. We choose CA as the guidelines for the whole country."
    (Just picked CA off the top of my head as an example)
   Until "they" get it thru their thick heads that only law abiding citizens obey the law, it'll never truly be fair IMO.

This sums it up pretty well. The thing is if the state and fed governments took the constitution literally we wouldn't even be having a debate about permits since they would not be needed. I just don't see states like CA, NY, IL ever falling in line and allowing carry especially like in states where permits are not required.
I'm not sure a supreme court decision could get us back on track with some of the recent rulings that clearly don't follow the constitution or anything the founding fathers would have agreed with.

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Re: Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act 2017.
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2017, 01:34:42 PM »
I'm all for reciprocity, but after having taken my CCW class over break, I wouldn't want any of the people in that class to be carrying. They had such terrible aim and extrmely poor understanding of the law. Maybe FL is just really bad with CCW training methods, but this is one of the better classes as well. Some classes don't have any shooting. Whether you consider having a firearm a right or a privilege, there needs to be a standard for training.

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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2017, 01:57:13 PM »
I'm all for reciprocity, but after having taken my CCW class over break, I wouldn't want any of the people in that class to be carrying. They had such terrible aim and extrmely poor understanding of the law. Maybe FL is just really bad with CCW training methods, but this is one of the better classes as well. Some classes don't have any shooting. Whether you consider having a firearm a right or a privilege, there needs to be a standard for training.

I think mandating classes and having rather high licensing fees discriminates against those who can't afford those costs but who still may have a true need to employ their 2nd amendment rights.  I am not sure folks truly retain any info provided in those courses. I think people would be better-served spending more time shooting and learning their weapon systems rather than trying to understand the legal environment as described by folks who aren't legal experts
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Re: Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act 2017.
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2017, 02:19:13 PM »
I'm all for reciprocity, but after having taken my CCW class over break, I wouldn't want any of the people in that class to be carrying. They had such terrible aim and extrmely poor understanding of the law. Maybe FL is just really bad with CCW training methods, but this is one of the better classes as well. Some classes don't have any shooting. Whether you consider having a firearm a right or a privilege, there needs to be a standard for training.

The second amendment is a right, not a privilege, and shall not be infringed. Once you start adding requirements to exercise it, you are no longer talking about a right. The point about rights is that they apply equally to everyone, good bad, or indifferent. You can't have it both ways.
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Re: Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act 2017.
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2017, 04:46:20 PM »
I'm all for reciprocity, but after having taken my CCW class over break, I wouldn't want any of the people in that class to be carrying. They had such terrible aim and extrmely poor understanding of the law. Maybe FL is just really bad with CCW training methods, but this is one of the better classes as well. Some classes don't have any shooting. Whether you consider having a firearm a right or a privilege, there needs to be a standard for training.

The second amendment is a right, not a privilege, and shall not be infringed. Once you start adding requirements to exercise it, you are no longer talking about a right. The point about rights is that they apply equally to everyone, good bad, or indifferent. You can't have it both ways.

This is a fact. Everyone is entitled to the right and should a person decide to carry it is up to that person to practice and become proficient and not for any one else to decide how the right may be applied to a person regarding their skill level.

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Re: Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act 2017.
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2017, 07:10:48 PM »
What is really needed is a Supreme Court decision stating that just as states are required to honor other states driver's licenses and marriage licenses, they must also apply full faith and credit to other states CCW.
  Even better would be that permits are unconstitutional, and no permit needed for carry across the board.
    I understand what you're saying Eastman, but in a way I have to politely disagree. Just as we keep saying that "they" can't compare a privilege (like DL's for example) to a right (carrying),
I don't think we should compare them either. And if we compare these, then the laws have to be the same across the board. Just like driving and marriage laws are.
    I'd hate for the Supreme Court to say "Ok, all ccw's are the same. So now all states have to follow the same guidelines. We choose CA as the guidelines for the whole country."
    (Just picked CA off the top of my head as an example)
   Until "they" get it thru their thick heads that only law abiding citizens obey the law, it'll never truly be fair IMO.

I agree that your proposal is a much better fit to the Constitution and  the Founders' intent. I'd love to see that. What I posted is less desirable, but more probable.
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Re: Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act 2017.
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2017, 08:05:30 PM »
What I posted is less desirable, but more probable.
    Sadly I agree.
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Re: Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act 2017.
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2017, 08:26:34 PM »
What I posted is less desirable, but more probable.
    Sadly I agree.

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