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BFS/ ECHO type trigger for your EVO ?'s
« on: January 11, 2017, 09:31:35 AM »
Having done a basic site search I only came across a couple of mentions for this type of trigger for the EVO.

The trigger pack seems to have plenty of room for a 2nd disconnector. Would a custom disconnector coupled with a new 3 position safety selector be all you'd need to go Binary?

I'm no engineer. Just asking questions to you all who may be more well informed than myself.

Anyone else interested in this type of trigger system?

Seems like it would really let this PCC shine and lighten my wallet at the same time.  ;D


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Re: BFS/ ECHO type trigger for your EVO ?'s
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2017, 09:45:28 AM »
Having done a basic site search I only came across a couple of mentions for this type of trigger for the EVO.

The trigger pack seems to have plenty of room for a 2nd disconnector. Would a custom disconnector coupled with a new 3 position safety selector be all you'd need to go Binary?

I'm no engineer. Just asking questions to you all who may be more well informed than myself.

Anyone else interested in this type of trigger system?

Seems like it would really let this PCC shine and lighten my wallet at the same time.  ;D

Man, binary trigger option is the only thing that made me consider the MPX over the EVO. If we could get BFS (or anyone else) to make a binary trigger, this thing would ROCK.

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Re: BFS/ ECHO type trigger for your EVO ?'s
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2017, 10:48:44 AM »
My replies in red

Having done a basic site search I only came across a couple of mentions for this type of trigger for the EVO.

The trigger pack seems to have plenty of room for a 2nd disconnector. Would a custom disconnector coupled with a new 3 position safety selector be all you'd need to go Binary?

I haven't given it a lot of thought, but I don't think so.

At minimum, it would also likely need a proprietary bolt too, unless the 2nd disconnect could be made to engage the existing one, which is doubtful without turning it into a full auto entirely.

If you look at how the binary triggers work, and then look at how the scorpion is made, there are a lot of differences to have to overcome.

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Re: BFS/ ECHO type trigger for your EVO ?'s
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2017, 10:58:08 PM »
Not only no, but hell no.

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Re: BFS/ ECHO type trigger for your EVO ?'s
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2017, 08:54:39 PM »
My replies in red

Having done a basic site search I only came across a couple of mentions for this type of trigger for the EVO.

The trigger pack seems to have plenty of room for a 2nd disconnector. Would a custom disconnector coupled with a new 3 position safety selector be all you'd need to go Binary?

I haven't given it a lot of thought, but I don't think so.

At minimum, it would also likely need a proprietary bolt too, unless the 2nd disconnect could be made to engage the existing one, which is doubtful without turning it into a full auto entirely.

If you look at how the binary triggers work, and then look at how the scorpion is made, there are a lot of differences to have to overcome.


My assumption was space available in the EVO trigger pack compared to an AR's. I hadn't considered the bolt as well.

Thanks for the response and explanation.



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Re: BFS/ ECHO type trigger for your EVO ?'s
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2017, 02:26:22 PM »
Surfing over on ARF.com and came across this post from Franklin aromory;

"On another note, we will be announcing and showing prototypes for TWO new platforms for the BFSIII at SHOT Show on Tuesday. These new triggers will not be ready for sale just yet, but we hope to be able to start taking orders and shipping by the time we go the NRA convention."

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/697945_Franklin-Armory-Gen-3-BFS-Released----Update-08-31-Triggers-are-shipping----.html&page=15&anc=bottom#bottom (posted yesterday/ mid page)

One can hope the Scorpion is one of the NEW platforms.

Keep your fingers crossed guys!  ;D

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Re: BFS/ ECHO type trigger for your EVO ?'s
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2017, 03:26:34 PM »
I would almost put money on one of them being for the AK.
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Re: BFS/ ECHO type trigger for your EVO ?'s
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2017, 03:44:04 PM »
Interesting. What a game changer that would be. I'd settle for an E-trigger as well.

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Re: BFS/ ECHO type trigger for your EVO ?'s
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2017, 06:51:43 PM »
I'd love a binary for my evo.  I don't see it as needed, but I didn't need this platform either and I still love.

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Re: BFS/ ECHO type trigger for your EVO ?'s
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2017, 08:09:34 PM »
I would almost put money on one of them being for the AK.

I would agree.

I suspect at some point we will see a binary style trigger for the EVO, but it will likely be a while.  I think we are more likely to see a lower pull "match grade" trigger from a company first (no, not us, just my take on what we will see from other companies in the future)

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Re: BFS/ ECHO type trigger for your EVO ?'s
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2017, 11:25:05 AM »
It looks like the ECHO trigger is more stable than the Binary trigger. Sounds cool but not sure if the selector was meant to go to a 3rd position for the S1 model.

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Re: BFS/ ECHO type trigger for your EVO ?'s
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2017, 01:49:52 PM »
I would almost put money on one of them being for the AK.

I would agree.

I suspect at some point we will see a binary style trigger for the EVO, but it will likely be a while.  I think we are more likely to see a lower pull "match grade" trigger from a company first (no, not us, just my take on what we will see from other companies in the future)

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I agree, it's not been imported in profound numbers yet like our ar15 rifles. So a company to spend the R&D and setup for such a venture would need a predictable future investment return. Currently I just doubt the buyers are there or the rifles to make it profitable. I can dream though. lol

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Re: BFS/ ECHO type trigger for your EVO ?'s
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2017, 08:21:40 PM »
 :-[ So much for my prognosticating skillz..........

Franklin Armory;

"Our Two New Binary trigger models are for the Bushmaster ACR and the HK platforms! Come and stop by our booth #20432 and check them out!"

https://www.facebook.com/franklin.armory/photos/pb.240937162706026.-2207520000.1484702287./953810918085310/?type=3&theater
 

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Re: BFS/ ECHO type trigger for your EVO ?'s
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2017, 11:43:04 AM »
The magpul masada (err, sorry the acr) used an AR firing group best I can remember.

So, that doesn't necessarily seem like it would be a very big stretch to use a binary trigger in one.

And as for the HK, is that the HK416?  Which again is basically an AR15 trigger group, or are they talking about the older ones like the MP5, 91/Cetme, etc?
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Re: BFS/ ECHO type trigger for your EVO ?'s
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2017, 11:58:17 PM »
It's been a while since I've seen posts about this.  Any new rumblings of someone making a binary upgrade?