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Offline Naga

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Pre-B Failure to Extract
« on: March 17, 2017, 08:26:40 PM »
I purchased a 1992 Pre-B CZ75 some time ago.  When I got it, I found that it was suffering from failures to extract.  The casings would get about halfway out of the chamber, then get stuck, while the slide would continue rearward and attempt to pick up the next round in the magazine.

I replaced the extractor, as well as the extractor spring with (I think it was) a Wolff extra power spring.  I noted that the extractor retaining pin fit in the slide was quite loose compared to what I was used to, to the point that it could be pushed out with little more than hand pressure on a punch.  Regardless, the failures to extract seemed to stop happening. 

Some time later, during another shooting session, the extractor retaining pin actually began to back out while firing.  It was suggested to me that I put Loctite on the pin and reinstall it, so I did that, using blue Loctite.  I believe the pistol worked fine for a while after that, but I do not recall for sure. 

Then, during yet another shooting session, I began to suffer from failures to extract again.  The casing gets about halfway out of the chamber, then gets stuck, while the slide continues rearward and attempts to pick up the next round in the magazine.  Thinking that perhaps there was buildup under the extractor causing the problem, I removed the extractor and cleaned it, the extractor cutout in the slide, and the extractor retaining pin.  I then reassembled it, staking and putting a slight bend in the extractor retaining pin to help it stay in place without the use of Loctite.

At yet another shooting session, I found that the problem had not been resolved.  I tried cleaning the chamber of any hard buildup by scraping it with a brass tool, but that did not seem to fix the problem.  Additionally, I experienced a few failures to eject, where the casing gets extracted, but then stuck in the ejection port, oriented in the same direction as the gun.

I field stripped the gun and placed a cartridge against the breech face, under the extractor, and shook it.  The cartridge stayed in place, so the extractor tension still seems good.  Offhand, I didn't notice any damage to the extractor, but given that I don't recall noticing any damage to the original extractor that I replaced to solve my earlier failure to extract problem, I'm not sure I am competent at identifying extractor damage.  Additionally, this problem does not seem to be magazine related, as I experienced it with multiple magazines. The malfunctions happen maybe once out of every twenty to thirty rounds fired.

The only thing that really comes to mind that might be causing this issue is damage to the (replacement) extractor due to the slide being dropped on a round that was manually loaded directly into the chamber, as I recall a friend of mine might have done when I let him try the gun.  Unfortunately, I don't shoot this gun enough to remember the specific history with great detail and accuracy. 

Before I go and buy another extractor, does anyone have any ideas as to what else I might check out?  Is dropping the slide on an already chambered round particularly damaging to the CZ75 extractor?

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Re: Pre-B Failure to Extract
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2017, 08:52:10 PM »
Dropping the slide on a live round in the chamber is a bad idea but I would be surprised if doing it only one time would damage the extractor. It could, but not very likely. Before we get too much further into your issues, would you mind commenting on the ammunition you were using? Also, shine a bright light into the chamber  and see if is it pitted or has any scrape marks in it?

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Re: Pre-B Failure to Extract
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2017, 09:11:14 PM »
Herter's (OEM by Sellier and Bellot) and Blazer brass were the two I tested last.  I saw no evidence of chamber damage when I looked at the range.  I am not able to check it again at the present time, though.

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Re: Pre-B Failure to Extract
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2017, 10:02:27 PM »
I believe your problem is still in the extractor. The fact that the round did not tumble out from under the extractor doesn't necessarily mean you have a proper amount of tension on it.

I suggest you move this thread over to the "CZ Gunsmithing" forum and see what those fellows have to say about fitting a CZ extractor. It's at http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?board=40.0

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Re: Pre-B Failure to Extract
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2017, 03:28:28 PM »
Here's a sticky that talks about fitting a CZ extractor. http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=14695.msg51204#msg51204

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Re: Pre-B Failure to Extract
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2017, 10:49:18 PM »
Before I go and buy another extractor, does anyone have any ideas as to what else I might check out?  Is dropping the slide on an already chambered round particularly damaging to the CZ75 extractor?

Yes it can damage the extractor.  Don't do it. 

Unless the slide pin hole is somehow enlarged,  the pin may not not be the stock size and is also loose in the extractor hole.
For the cost,  I'd get a new pin.