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Which one do you prefer and why?

Safety
11 (27.5%)
Decocker
29 (72.5%)

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Voting closed: June 10, 2017, 12:37:22 PM

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Offline Birds Away

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Re: Safety vs Decocker for carry?
« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2017, 11:33:21 AM »
Also, carrying on the half cock notch allows you to safely carry a pre-B.  The half cock notch is robust enough to catch the hammer.  I feel perfectly safe carrying one in that manner and do so from time to time.

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Re: Safety vs Decocker for carry?
« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2017, 06:55:13 PM »
As others have mentioned, CZ's manual safety models are dual-purpose. SAO Cock & Lock, or manually decock to 1/2 cock for DA/SA defensive/safe carry.

The Decocker models can be used SAO (not recommended) remember there's no manual safety. But, IMHO the Decocker is better if used as a dedicated DA/SA due to ease of decocking one-handed.
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Re: Safety vs Decocker for carry?
« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2017, 10:09:54 PM »
Safety. By the time I have the sights in my view the safety is already off. I won't draw unless I intend to shoot.


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Re: Safety vs Decocker for carry?
« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2017, 09:21:25 PM »
I just got an 07. I have small hands and can't manipulate the safety with 2 hands on the gun while keep a good grip. I can flip the safety right before the draw or during and sort of finale the gun back into a good grip before punching out. However it's just not ideal for carry and me. I'm opting for the decocker because of this. I have the 75 compact and can easily hit the safety.

In terms of owb law enforcement use, I would opt for the decocker as well. That recent video of the cop being ambushed and struck with the butt of the assailants rifle? He's alive because he has a gun that he can draw and shoot. When you lose your fine motor skills and adrenaline hits, flipping a safety is imo the last thing needed, you need that gun to go click, bang.

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Re: Safety vs Decocker for carry?
« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2017, 09:26:34 PM »
I just got an 07. I have small hands and can't manipulate the safety with 2 hands on the gun while keep a good grip. I can flip the safety right before the draw or during and sort of finale the gun back into a good grip before punching out. However it's just not ideal for carry and me. I'm opting for the decocker because of this. I have the 75 compact and can easily hit the safety.

In terms of owb law enforcement use, I would opt for the decocker as well. That recent video of the cop being ambushed and struck with the butt of the assailants rifle? He's alive because he has a gun that he can draw and shoot. When you lose your fine motor skills and adrenaline hits, flipping a safety is imo the last thing needed, you need that gun to go click, bang.


Doesn't the decocker on the P-07 point towards the front of the gun vs pointing to the rear on the 75 series?

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Re: Safety vs Decocker for carry?
« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2017, 10:31:06 PM »
My pcr has a decocker

I'm a safety dude but it works

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Re: Safety vs Decocker for carry?
« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2017, 10:43:53 PM »
I just got an 07. I have small hands and can't manipulate the safety with 2 hands on the gun while keep a good grip. I can flip the safety right before the draw or during and sort of finale the gun back into a good grip before punching out. However it's just not ideal for carry and me. I'm opting for the decocker because of this. I have the 75 compact and can easily hit the safety.

In terms of owb law enforcement use, I would opt for the decocker as well. That recent video of the cop being ambushed and struck with the butt of the assailants rifle? He's alive because he has a gun that he can draw and shoot. When you lose your fine motor skills and adrenaline hits, flipping a safety is imo the last thing needed, you need that gun to go click, bang.


Doesn't the decocker on the P-07 point towards the front of the gun vs pointing to the rear on the 75 series?
 

Yes, the decocker does point forward on the P-07, but I was pleasantly surprised that for me, it seems as easy to operate as my P-01.  The 1st knuckle of my strong thumb seems to hit the lever in a spot where I get traction to decock just fine. But that might be me. I kinda like that it doesn't stick out so much. I'm thinking of getting an Optic milled P-07 from CZCustom as my dedicated optic gun. But, I still love my metal frame P-01, especially with the night sights from CZ I added, and the Surefire XC-1 light. Great all-around Defense gun IMHO.
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Re: Safety vs Decocker for carry?
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2017, 02:31:34 PM »
I just got an 07. I have small hands and can't manipulate the safety with 2 hands on the gun while keep a good grip. I can flip the safety right before the draw or during and sort of finale the gun back into a good grip before punching out. However it's just not ideal for carry and me. I'm opting for the decocker because of this. I have the 75 compact and can easily hit the safety.

In terms of owb law enforcement use, I would opt for the decocker as well. That recent video of the cop being ambushed and struck with the butt of the assailants rifle? He's alive because he has a gun that he can draw and shoot. When you lose your fine motor skills and adrenaline hits, flipping a safety is imo the last thing needed, you need that gun to go click, bang.


Doesn't the decocker on the P-07 point towards the front of the gun vs pointing to the rear on the 75 series?

Yes, but in terms of drawing and firing, I can't operate the safety without compromising my grip. The decocker I'd only use to put the gun away in a concealed carry situation. 

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Re: Safety vs Decocker for carry?
« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2017, 05:37:56 PM »
Safety. 1911 user for many years.  Safeties have always worked for me.  And, I like the SA trigger pull for every shot.
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Re: Safety vs Decocker for carry?
« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2017, 07:22:39 PM »
Safety. All of my semi-autos have a safety. No decocker only firearms at all. I do have to pistols (not CZ) that have a decocker and a safety.

Maybe someday I will get a pistol that doesn't have an external safety, but there are so many that do that I don't own yet, I doubt it will ever happen. (Revolvers obviously excluded)
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Re: Safety vs Decocker for carry?
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2017, 07:55:39 PM »
I carry cocked and locked sp01 most of the time but have begun practicing DA with my c100 (schmeky's spring kit dropped DA pull that much!). Both have manual safeties. I think either work and I notice even when decocked I still sweep the safety as habit. I really like CZ SA/DA in that it is able to be both when equipped with the manual safety. Just be engaged when lowering the hammer. As an aside i don't think I will change any I carry to SAO, I like the flexibility of the system as is and the second strike capability that it also affords.

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Re: Safety vs Decocker for carry?
« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2017, 03:06:22 AM »
I really like the decocker .  One less decision to make when your short on time.

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Re: Safety vs Decocker for carry?
« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2017, 06:01:55 AM »
Folks, if you're thinking things through with SHTF I wish you luck.

If you have to draw it then the it should be ready to fire when you line up the sights, or look over the top of the slide, or shove it up against someone's side, or whatever you got yourself into that you have to stop someone from committing serious harm to you.

I never have to think about the safety.  I never have to think about is my pistol in the holster.  I never have to think about is it loaded with my hollow points or with LRN.  I never have to think about where it is when it's not in my holster.  I never have to think about lining up the sights.

It should just happen.  If not, you need to practice more.  Just my opinion.
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Re: Safety vs Decocker for carry?
« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2017, 08:54:13 AM »
Folks, if you're thinking things through with SHTF I wish you luck.

If you have to draw it then the it should be ready to fire when you line up the sights, or look over the top of the slide, or shove it up against someone's side, or whatever you got yourself into that you have to stop someone from committing serious harm to you.

I never have to think about the safety.  I never have to think about is my pistol in the holster.  I never have to think about is it loaded with my hollow points or with LRN.  I never have to think about where it is when it's not in my holster.  I never have to think about lining up the sights.

It should just happen.  If not, you need to practice more.  Just my opinion.

Hopefully, if you ever have to "shove it up against someone's side" you don't push the slide out of battery. Doesn't take much. Something most people don't think about until their semi-auto DOESN'T go Bang when they need it most.
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Re: Safety vs Decocker for carry?
« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2017, 11:43:19 AM »
I always wanted a Bersa Thunder 380,  just a cool little gun...bought one...sold one.  The decocker on it was a nightmare in waiting.  When it was decoked it went into safety engaged.  I carried it around for two days not realizing that.  NOTE TO SELF>>>>buy a firearm you are not familiar with,....read the manual!
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