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Offline SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM

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Re: P-10C Heavy Mag Release Fix - Updated with Glock spring
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2018, 12:58:29 PM »
No I believe that CZ is smart and knows that the Americans want the mag release just where it is. Walther had to learn that and introduced the M2 in the PPQ and PPS.

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Like I said.  People are just plain dumb.

Because not everyone likes what you like they are dumb?
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Re: P-10C Heavy Mag Release Fix - Updated with Glock spring
« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2018, 03:04:33 PM »
No.  But look at the thread.  Look at the endless list of extended MRs.  Most have trouble reaching and have to shift their shooting hand.  Everyone can use the Walther long paddle better or at least as well and it is automatically ambi.  Easy to leverage for the arthritic, etc. didn’t want to be arrogant!  They are better period.  It is a shame that convention wins too often.

Consider the vaunted P07.  It has ONE of the best grip to MR distances in the business and a very well designed mag release itself.  I have Med/Lg hands and have to make a shift of my firing hand fingers to hit the release well and consistently.  I MAY opt for an extended mag release.  And... this is on a well designed gun.  Then a BUNCH of folks allow you to reverse the MR, but they aren't really Ambi.  Only LONG fingered dudes can really optimally use most MRs.  Pick up a P99 or PPQ M1s - you can train to use the MR in two mags.   It is Ambi.  Guys with LONG fingers can use it two ways.  (Three if you count their middle finger).  It is objectively a better design, and not that complex at all.  No other type of MR allows more people to use it without moving their hand position.  None. 

I have to laugh (or cry) at 'dumb' gun reviewers who cannot "reach the paddle' with their thumb - that IS stupid.

So, no - I don't think it is dumb because I think it is better or it is to my liking.  I think it is dumb for the industry not to recognize better when it is.

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Re: P-10C Heavy Mag Release Fix - Updated with Glock spring
« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2018, 05:27:16 PM »
I have med. hands and most mag releases require a shift in my grip to use my firing hand (rt hand) which is no big deal and consequently I have trained to drop the mag with my left thumb as well as either slingshot the slide or drop the slide catch left thumbed. Who the heck ever decided all these operations HAVE to be done one handed or one fingered? That's all a bunch of tactical crap.
I can reload and drop the slide closed as fast as I need to the way I have trained,it's no big deal. I would not own a P99 or a PPQ or any other plastic Walther. They are not my cup and that's my opinion just as you are spouting nothing but your opinion.

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Re: P-10C Heavy Mag Release Fix - Updated with Glock spring
« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2018, 07:23:33 PM »
No sir.

The long paddle is easier to use in addition to being faster. Just the facts.  My opinion doesn’t matter.

If you prefer something slower or harder that is a preference.  More power to you.

The P07 slide lock is hard to use so I release off-hand.  Not good , but the other attributes let me justify this poor feature, so I work around it.  It still isn’t s good feature for the average joe.

It’s OK if you hate Walther.  But that paddle release kicks butt. Period.
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Re: P-10C Heavy Mag Release Fix - Updated with Glock spring
« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2018, 07:51:14 PM »
 I too prefer the paddle release of the Walther/HK, but that's what I learned on so there's that. That said, I didn't have any trouble getting used to the American style mag release. I don't see why people struggle to adapt to the paddle.
 On my P-07, I have a tendency to drop the mag when firing. Installing an extended release has helped somewhat. The P-10 release hasn't been a problem for me at all.

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Re: P-10C Heavy Mag Release Fix - Updated with Glock spring
« Reply #50 on: February 12, 2018, 07:55:36 PM »
Still just your opinion no matter how you try to explain it. The good old push button mag release is in no way hard for me to use. Speed is directly related to ability/skill level Period.
As far as Walther goes they are mainly striker fired pistols which I have less than zero interest in which is why as much as I like CZ's I still don't own a P10C.
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Re: P-10C Heavy Mag Release Fix - Updated with Glock spring
« Reply #51 on: February 12, 2018, 08:46:41 PM »
HK is a hammer gun with paddles - good stuff, only the paddle is a bit short. 

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Re: P-10C Heavy Mag Release Fix - Updated with Glock spring
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Re: P-10C Heavy Mag Release Fix - Updated with Glock spring
« Reply #54 on: February 13, 2018, 05:12:08 AM »
HK is a hammer gun with paddles - good stuff, only the paddle is a bit short.

Not interested in HK either and not interested in plastic as a rule. My P-07 is the lone red headed step child in my collection and while I enjoy the P-07 it could be orphaned at any time.
I'll stick with what I like and what works for ME. I've always found that making purchases based on others opinions leads too disappointment in the end.

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Re: P-10C Heavy Mag Release Fix - Updated with Glock spring
« Reply #55 on: February 13, 2018, 06:10:33 AM »
My intention here has nothing to do with influencing anyone's purchases - just noting particular features and their virtues or weaknesses.

Someone has made good point on another thread that CZ would have been better off to make a reversible MR that was easy to use, than a Ambi one that is hard to use. 

CZ needs feeback  - we may like a gun, but not all of its features.  With market competition as it is, manufacturers need to listen.
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Re: P-10C Heavy Mag Release Fix - Updated with Glock spring
« Reply #56 on: February 13, 2018, 07:08:21 AM »
I can find things I like and don't like about ANYTHING so I find things that work best for ME and have more positives than negatives that's how I came to like CZ's so well vs other semi auto pistols. I do have others Beretta 92 FS which I like and some various 1911's Ruger .22's Sig P238. They all have things that I maybe would like differently but the REAL problem is that no one will ever design any single product that will satisfy every one. Some one will always find issue with one design or another. I'm sure CZ and others are listening but I don't see them retooling anytime soon. A few people on this forum are not going to make a difference when the rest of the world is quiet. The best any one can do is find a platform they like and work with it and fortunately for US citizens we have aftermarket support and parts availability to change things we want to personalize.

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Re: P-10C Heavy Mag Release Fix - Updated with Glock spring
« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2018, 07:46:33 AM »
I think CZ listened and made the P10C.  They took shortcomings from Glock, SW, others and addressed some real issues.  One is the Ambi mag release.  XD had this years ago, and if I recall (having owned an XD 45 years ago) they are pretty good.  So, CZ went after this, and seems to have at least some QC issues.

But - CZ gets kudos for stepping it up and out!  Innovation and improvement are good things.  I just know that executing long paddles is pretty simple and they are so easy to use.  But as pointed out, Americans seem to hate on them and that is a BIG chunk of market. 

Likewise the P07/09 series is a great pistol - kudos.  But, if you work on them enough, and talk to CGW, there are some real QC issues in manufacturing.  CZ just needs to address them.  We should point out the good with the bad. 

There are bad pistols with good features, and good pistols with bad features.
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Re: P-10C Heavy Mag Release Fix - Updated with Glock spring
« Reply #58 on: February 13, 2018, 09:42:37 AM »
As I have posted before my magazine release works just fine after a brief break-in period. Not sure what all the fuss is about. Everyone needs to step back, take a deep breath and put some more lead down range.
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Re: P-10C Heavy Mag Release Fix - Updated with Glock spring
« Reply #59 on: February 13, 2018, 09:50:21 AM »
As I have posted before my magazine release works just fine after a brief break-in period. Not sure what all the fuss is about. Everyone needs to step back, take a deep breath and put some more lead down range.

Agree.

And to be honest most of the trigger roughness goes away in 1000-2000 rounds.

Although, I have a buddy who shoots competition and has trouble with the SP-01 mag release.  I told him to sit in front of the TV and press it with a dowel for thousands of times some week.  We'll see. 

 

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