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Offline Piemn

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Re: JUST BOUGHT A NEW 97b AND IM A LITTLE Upset
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2017, 11:15:31 PM »
This thing is brand new, now wear marks anywhere. I haven't shot s&b ever, it was cheap so I bought a lot of it. I usually shoot blazer brass with no problems.

I tore it apart after about 200 rounds and this thing is filthy. The sights don't move when I force them by hand. I really don't want to give up on this thing just because it's so badass and I've wanted on forever.

I'm going to order some blazer brass and clean this thing up real god and lube it and see happens
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Re: JUST BOUGHT A NEW 97b AND IM A LITTLE Upset
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2017, 11:23:08 PM »
I think 230 ball is a bit overkill to start
Seriously?  That has been the standard practice ammo for the .45 since it was developed.  I can't imagine using anything else.
Yeah, seriously...I can't imagine anything else most of the time, but I can't imagine using it in a brand new pistol first time out while you're learning it/breaking it in. 
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Re: JUST BOUGHT A NEW 97b AND IM A LITTLE Upset
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2017, 11:53:49 PM »
This thing is brand new, now wear marks anywhere. I haven't shot s&b ever, it was cheap so I bought a !@## load of it. I usually shoot blazer brass with no problems.
For both my CZ97B I shot more than a case of S&B 230gr FMJ to make some brass and break in guns. Not a single problem, but I do clean new guns before shooting. I have also shot a few hundred Federal AE and a almost a case of WWB. No problems with all of them. WWB is a bit too hot for me to the point that shooting is not pleasant. I will finish this case and will not buy it again. Unlike hotter loaded 9mm S&B, their 45ACP loaded softer than WWB.

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Re: JUST BOUGHT A NEW 97b AND IM A LITTLE Upset
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2017, 11:50:04 AM »
Yeah, seriously...I can't imagine anything else most of the time, but I can't imagine using it in a brand new pistol first time out while you're learning it/breaking it in. 
What would you use instead?

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Re: JUST BOUGHT A NEW 97b AND IM A LITTLE Upset
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2017, 12:02:54 PM »
What would you use instead?


How about:

I have had much better luck with either a 185 gr hollowpoint or a 200 grain lead semiwadcutter.  230's are great for blasting and making holes in paper, but the other two rounds have done considerably better for me, accuracy wise.

And:

Mine shoots 230 ball just fine, but likes both 185 and 200gr lswc much better though.

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Re: JUST BOUGHT A NEW 97b AND IM A LITTLE Upset
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2017, 07:23:13 PM »
This thing is brand new, now wear marks anywhere. I haven't shot s&b ever, it was cheap so I bought a !@## load of it. I usually shoot blazer brass with no problems.

I tore it apart after about 200 rounds and this thing is filthy. The sights don't move when I force them by hand. I really don't want to give up on this thing just because it's so badass and I've wanted on forever.

I'm going to order some blazer brass and clean this thing up real god and lube it and see happens

It is this simple. The gun should function just fine with an initial cleaning and 230 gr rnds should function perfectly. That's all I've ever used in my 97BD and it has NEVER choked once in over 5k rnds.
Call or email CZ-USA and politely alert them to your issues. They will send you a return label and they will return your gun working properly.

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Re: JUST BOUGHT A NEW 97b AND IM A LITTLE Upset
« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2017, 10:22:03 PM »
I think 230 ball is a bit overkill to start
Seriously?  That has been the standard practice ammo for the .45 since it was developed.  I can't imagine using anything else.

Thought the same when I read the post.

Maybe someone with more than my 25 years of shooting 230 gr. ball ammo could explain?

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Re: JUST BOUGHT A NEW 97b AND IM A LITTLE Upset
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2017, 02:12:26 PM »
Thanks for all the replies guys,

I will tear this thing down when i get home tonight and give it a good clean and lube job.

As far as the sights go, i might just have to get a sight drifter and solve the inaccuracy thing myself as i really dont feel like sending this thing in and waiting forever to get it back since i really wanted to shoot some uspsa matches with it.

And as the ammo goes. I dont reload, i have access to a nice dillion reloader if i absolutely need to make my own bullets to get this thing to shoot good but, i have had such good results in the past with other off the shelf ammo like blazer brass id like to stick with that if i can.

For those of you who dont reload what do you have the best luck with?

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Re: JUST BOUGHT A NEW 97b AND IM A LITTLE Upset
« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2017, 03:40:47 PM »
S&B 230 gr FMJ and any weight JHP from Federal, Hornaday, or Speer.  My two 97B's have shot every round with absolutely no problems at all.

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Re: JUST BOUGHT A NEW 97b AND IM A LITTLE Upset
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2017, 03:52:49 PM »
Guns are a marriage, some work some don't. But whatever you do, don't just give up on it, work it out. And quit calling your gun a thing, she needs to know you love her and are committed to doing whatever it takes to make it work. We all feel your dismay, just relax and work through thru it with her.

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Re: JUST BOUGHT A NEW 97b AND IM A LITTLE Upset
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2017, 07:54:34 PM »
Guns are a marriage, some work some don't. But whatever you do, don't just give up on it, work it out. And quit calling your gun a thing, she needs to know you love her and are committed to doing whatever it takes to make it work. We all feel your dismay, just relax and work through thru it with her.

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Re: JUST BOUGHT A NEW 97b AND IM A LITTLE Upset
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2017, 07:55:48 PM »
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Re: JUST BOUGHT A NEW 97b AND IM A LITTLE Upset
« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2017, 10:21:24 AM »
FWIW I had the same issue with rounds coming up 'vertically' and hitting the upper edge of the chamber and stopping with a JRC .45acp carbine, all mag issues. Seems the mag wasn't bringing up rounds fast enough. Stronger springs fixed it. I think every possible gun-related issue has been covered in this thread, so I'd clean & inspect your mags as well. And number them, in case it's certain mags doing it.

S&B is fine ammo and shouldn't be causing any problems, but any time I shoot something new for the first time I always bring at least three different brands of ammo in case of malfunctions.

I don't always do a disassembly & inspection before first range trip, but once I bought a Rock island Armory 1911 new from a shop with a range and shot it for the first time right there, bone dry out of the box. Had occasional misfeeds til I oiled it up and never failed afterwards.

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Re: JUST BOUGHT A NEW 97b AND IM A LITTLE Upset
« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2017, 10:30:05 AM »
I tore it apart last night and it was drier than a popcorn fart and full of crud. I gave her a good clean and lube now just cycling it by hand it feels way better. I just used basic hoppes 9 oil but i will be getting some slide grease also since comments on here make it sound like thats the way to go on these steel pistols.

coming from mostly a shotgun background this pistol stuff is still relatively new to me.

Im going to run some rounds through it again soon and report back.

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Re: JUST BOUGHT A NEW 97b AND IM A LITTLE Upset
« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2017, 11:55:45 AM »
Gosh I have a 97 BD that's been perfect through some I would guess 1400-1500 rounds now?
  first after reading the post here, I agree that any semi auto pistol needs lubrication, especially on the rails and (frame and slide) or its going to slow down the slide speed, as all these parts  slide, magazine, recoil spring wok together to produce acceptable  results that can be a problem.
I tend to use a good grease on the rails  myself.
as for accuracy, have you had anyone else try firing the weapon?
ammo, well any weapon can dislike any ammunition, so you need to see what it runs well on, generally speaking I have ran 175 JHP, 185 grain JHP, 200 grain  plated SWC, 200 grain flat point, 230 grain flat point and round nose through my 97 BD as well as some 12 or so 1911 and  they all eat them fine so far.
the slide falling upon magazine insertion is a bonus in my opinion, if you don't like it then you should be able to 1) be gentle inserting  the mag, 2)  don't load a full magazine, 3 ) have a new slide lock installed  that will help prevent this form occuring.

 

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