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Offline Scarlett Pistol

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2017, 11:47:49 AM »
So..... I definitely noticed a difference in my group sizes when I started testing BE-86 compared to 700X. 700X has worked but I had a lot from the great shortage and I am sick of trying to just burn through it. That's my justification to myself for ordering some Sport Pistol. I don't have a chrono, so my testing won't be special. But I'll let ya'll know how it works out.
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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2017, 12:12:01 PM »
Get more BE-86!  Or Bullseye!  Or American Select!  ;)

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2017, 12:57:00 PM »
Get more BE-86!  Or Bullseye!  Or American Select!  ;)

Idescribe is likely trolling me, but I have actually really wanted American Select for its burn rate, but they don't have much pistol load data and I couldn't find it for a long time. Then I read this from the guy at Alliant:
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I doubt you will find Sport Pistol on any burn rate charts. As a point of reference, I had described this product as an accurate metering, small diameter version of American Select(R), which has been a favorite of mine in light centerfire pistol target type applications for years. (It doesn't meter all that well though.) This powder is absolutely not American Select though, so make no mistake about that. The chemistry and geometry are different, but I just used that as an example that made sense to me.
The third slide of the attached file shows how the P/V characteristics of Sport Pistol are essentially the same as N320, and close to Win231 and Titegroup in these applications. That is by design, as those three powders dominate the handloading by USPSA and IDPA shooters (according to our intel). We have received great feedback from our beta testers, so I think we hit our target.
(Disclaimer: the P/V chart does not show charge weights shot for the data, so please do not assume that the powders are the same because their P/V characteristics are similar. Titegroup, for example is a high nitroglycerine powder, so it's charges are materially less due to the high energy. Use only the manufacturer's data please.)
Thanks for the interest in our new product.
Paul
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/new-alliant-sport-pistol.816514/page-4

So from what I can make out with my lesser experience in this arena of powders and reloading:
1- It has less nitro so uses a little more powder but should be a little cleaner (not a single base, but closer to it).
2- Due to the "small diameter" it meters well.
3- Burn rate is targeted at N320, Win231/HP-38, and Titegroup.

With those points and what else I have read in researching this powder seems like the replacement I want for 700X. Additionally, I have been really pleased with BE-86. Metering is great and I saw a marked difference in my groups when I switched to it from 700X, so I think Alliant is doing good stuff. I am not as die hard in reloading like you vets. I just want good powders in the burn rates I want and then I want to just reload and shoot a lot.

All that was to justify my behavior because I know I'll take some slack on this..... Since Sport Pistol checks the boxes I'm looking for I ordered an 8 lb jug. For me to dislike it there will need to be something very very wrong with it, such that I'll be contacting the manufacturer. Baring that happening, I am set to reload and shoot for quite some time without having to test, change, or worry about running out.

You guys can now mock me, I know its coming.
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1) CZ 75 Compact Classic - 9mm
2) CZ SP-01 - 9mm
3) "SP-01 Compact" (CZ 75 Compact)

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2017, 04:40:05 PM »
Get more BE-86!  Or Bullseye!  Or American Select!  ;)

Idescribe is likely trolling me...


WHAT?!?!?!  I wasn't trolling you, but if I'm going to get the punishment for it anyway, I might as well have the fun of it, as well.  You have made a powerful enemy here today.  :P

Anyhoo... ;)  I think American Select is fantastic powder for 9mm minor, and just very few people know about it.  It was superbly accurate for me with coated lead -- BBI 147 and BBI 125 specifically -- when I was testing with it back in late 2013 - early 2014.  In Sierra's load manual, American Select is powder for the "accuracy load" for the three 124gr 9mm Luger bullets in their manual.  And it's of a burn rate appropriate to 9mm minor.  If you want to try it, go for it. ;)

As to BE-86, it's high on my "to buy" list.  It's the same basic formulation as Bullseye and Power Pistol, and those are among the most accurate powders in their burn rate class.  I suspect the same can be said for BE-86.  Maybe a year ago, I was involved in a thread getting someone started with BE-86 -- probably you? -- and I was all about it.  I see BE-86 as Alliant's WSF.  I have no doubt it's great powder.


 Since Sport Pistol checks the boxes I'm looking for I ordered an 8 lb jug.


First, you show us the way with BE-86, and now Sport Pistol?

If you're going to trailblaze like this for the forum, we may need to give you a patch or something. ;)  I will be looking forward to that thread.  In fact, go ahead and start that thread, tell us what bullets you're thinking about, and we can start planning. 

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2017, 09:35:19 PM »

WHAT?!?!?!  I wasn't trolling you, but if I'm going to get the punishment for it anyway, I might as well have the fun of it, as well.  You have made a powerful enemy here today.  :P

Anyhoo... ;)  I think American Select is fantastic powder for 9mm minor, and just very few people know about it.  It was superbly accurate for me with coated lead -- BBI 147 and BBI 125 specifically -- when I was testing with it back in late 2013 - early 2014.  In Sierra's load manual, American Select is powder for the "accuracy load" for the three 124gr 9mm Luger bullets in their manual.  And it's of a burn rate appropriate to 9mm minor.  If you want to try it, go for it. ;)

As to BE-86, it's high on my "to buy" list.  It's the same basic formulation as Bullseye and Power Pistol, and those are among the most accurate powders in their burn rate class.  I suspect the same can be said for BE-86.  Maybe a year ago, I was involved in a thread getting someone started with BE-86 -- probably you? -- and I was all about it.  I see BE-86 as Alliant's WSF.  I have no doubt it's great powder.


 Since Sport Pistol checks the boxes I'm looking for I ordered an 8 lb jug.


First, you show us the way with BE-86, and now Sport Pistol?

If you're going to trailblaze like this for the forum, we may need to give you a patch or something. ;)  I will be looking forward to that thread.  In fact, go ahead and start that thread, tell us what bullets you're thinking about, and we can start planning.

Haha just messing with ya. But you did help with my BE-86 and you responded when I resurrected your American Select testing thread so I greatly appreciate you always pitching in.

I think I used all my Berry's 124 gr 9mm and now I just have their 115 gr 9mm. Oh and those coated bullets you guys helped me with. I'll load up with the berry's and the coated bullets over the next week or so and get that testing going. Have a work trip to Portland OR early next week, but once I'm back the party starts.
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"I respect that the choice of pistols is very personal. Although, if someone is devoid at least one CZ, they've chosen the wrong pistols"  - Scarlett Pistol
1) CZ 75 Compact Classic - 9mm
2) CZ SP-01 - 9mm
3) "SP-01 Compact" (CZ 75 Compact)

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2017, 10:19:40 PM »
Have a work trip to Portland OR early next week

If you like craft brews, you're going to want to visit Deschutes Brewery.  If you're not so much into craft brews, you're going to want to visit Deschutes Brewery anyway.  The food is awesome.  Love that place.

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2017, 10:32:51 PM »
Have a work trip to Portland OR early next week

If you like craft brews, you're going to want to visit Deschutes Brewery.  If you're not so much into craft brews, you're going to want to visit Deschutes Brewery anyway.  The food is awesome.  Love that place.

I had them schedule my flights so I can have enough time to go somewhere and eat dinner... So I will definitely go check it out, thanks!
"In God I trust. All others must supply data."
"I respect that the choice of pistols is very personal. Although, if someone is devoid at least one CZ, they've chosen the wrong pistols"  - Scarlett Pistol
1) CZ 75 Compact Classic - 9mm
2) CZ SP-01 - 9mm
3) "SP-01 Compact" (CZ 75 Compact)

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2017, 11:28:07 AM »
I'm sorry you have to go to Portland on business.  We've been trying to sell that city to Washington state for years, but they don't want it, either.  The rest of Oregon doesn't claim Portland, since it's the land of tree-huggers, anti-gunners and just general whackos..........

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2017, 12:55:01 PM »
That's okay, Fred.  There's a Deschutes Brewery for you in Bend.   O0

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2017, 01:09:55 PM »
I'm an iced tea drinker myself, and besides, Bend has grown so much the traffic is getting just like Portland.  They do have good diesel prices there when going over east, though........

The new Redmond Rod & Gun Club halfway between Bend and Redmond, on Hwy. 97, is going to be a really nice range when they finish with it.  They purchased the old sporting clays facility, plus the property next door, so they'll end up with a couple hundred acres of land......

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2017, 03:24:34 PM »
Dang, that make me want to move. Although the ARPC is pretty nice... ;)

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2017, 05:42:45 PM »
I've shot at ARPC many times, as well as Roseburg Rod & Gun Club, the Josephine County Sportsman's Park in Merlin and COSSA.  My home range is The Siuslaw Rod & Gun Club, which I'm building to be a better place than when I joined 22 years ago.  So far, I'm on track......... 

I was at the Ashland Gun Club yesterday, and they're still in a court battle with their rich doctor neighbor who had sworn to get them closed down, after he built his mansion next to the club. (Don't buy Flonase, since this jerk invented it, and he's using the proceeds to try to shut down a range that's been there for many decades)

Fred
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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2017, 02:27:25 AM »
It came this morning, but I just got back from my work trip to Portland. So busy I didn't have to do anything fun. I should have some loads worked up by this weekend for testing.



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2) CZ SP-01 - 9mm
3) "SP-01 Compact" (CZ 75 Compact)

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2017, 02:47:34 PM »
I should have some loads worked up by this weekend for testing.


Hey, what's the hold up there ?? !!   O0
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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2017, 03:27:41 PM »
I should have some loads worked up by this weekend for testing.


Hey, what's the hold up there ?? !!   O0
Sorry had to clean a bunch of brass. Loading up my ladder today. More excuses, I had to install CGW bushings and my new red dot on these two ladies.... Excuses aside, this will be coming asap





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"In God I trust. All others must supply data."
"I respect that the choice of pistols is very personal. Although, if someone is devoid at least one CZ, they've chosen the wrong pistols"  - Scarlett Pistol
1) CZ 75 Compact Classic - 9mm
2) CZ SP-01 - 9mm
3) "SP-01 Compact" (CZ 75 Compact)

 

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