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Offline C. Andrew Dunning

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Sellier&Bellot 9mm Question
« on: July 11, 2017, 10:27:08 AM »
Good morning!

Would one of you be willing to speak into any real differences between the "regular"/"consumer" (black and gold box) Sellier&Bellot 124g 9mm FMJ and their "European government contract" (white box) version manufactured by Ruag?  I'm thinking, specifically, in terms of a 2075 RAMI and a CZ "cousin" (Jericho).

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C. Andrew Dunning
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Offline oldfrank

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Re: Sellier&Bellot 9mm Question
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2017, 10:50:47 AM »
I have no personal experience with the contract S&B but used to shoot a lot of the S&B in other guns especially a 9X18 Makarov that ate a bunch of it.
I always found S&B to be warm ammo but always functioned well.

Just for interest, this is what SGAMMO says about the RUAG:

1000 round case of 9mm Luger 124 grain FMJ European government contract ammo. Boxer primer, non-corrosive, non-magnetic. Made for Sellier Bellot under contract by Ruag in Germany. The story on this ammo is that Sellier & Bellot won a contract for the EU government but had a lot of the ammo manufacturing sourced out to Ruag in Germany. This is why the ammo is branded as sellier bellot, but made in Germany rather than the regular S&B Czech factory. This is the overrun ammo left over from that EU government contract at a discount price. High quality brass case target ammo, standard pressure, non-magnetic copper jacket. Great for all purpose shooting / training.

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Re: Sellier&Bellot 9mm Question
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2017, 12:43:03 PM »
Don't know anything re the Ruag ammo - have shot a lot of regular S&B [used to be green & gold box?] stuff.

My understanding is S&B consumer does run a little hotter than traditional Win whitebox, Rem, UMC, etc.

It runs more towards but not identical to +P pressures.

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Re: Sellier&Bellot 9mm Question
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2017, 10:31:09 PM »
You'd think that if it were made to euro govt spec, then it would be NATO spec, right?  My full size loves Win NATO, the Rami prefers 147gr (esp HST for SD) for great groupings.

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Re: Sellier&Bellot 9mm Question
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2017, 07:47:31 AM »
You'd think that if it were made to euro govt spec, then it would be NATO spec, right?  My full size loves Win NATO, the Rami prefers 147gr (esp HST for SD) for great groupings.
SAAMI max pressure is ~35K psi.

CIP max pressure is ~34K psi.

NATO pressure is 36.5K psi. It is also a CIP spec, so you can't assume anything.
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Re: Sellier&Bellot 9mm Question
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2017, 02:26:13 PM »
Have shot both lots. The green box 9mm 124 and the last 1000 rds I ordered from Target Sports USA was the white box S&B 124. It all went bang and cycled the gun. As said S&B seems a little warmer than WWB or UMC. Don't have any Chrono results to back that up. But S&B is good stuff regardless which box its in.

https://www.targetsportsusa.com/sellier-bellot-9mm-ammo-124-gr-fmj-sb9b-r-p-76501.aspx
« Last Edit: July 13, 2017, 02:28:49 PM by Beak Boater »
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Re: Sellier&Bellot 9mm Question
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2017, 04:25:40 PM »
You'd think that if it were made to euro govt spec, then it would be NATO spec, right?  My full size loves Win NATO, the Rami prefers 147gr (esp HST for SD) for great groupings.
SAAMI max pressure is ~35K psi.

CIP max pressure is ~34K psi.

NATO pressure is 36.5K psi. It is also a CIP spec, so you can't assume anything.

Add to that for 9mm +P:

SAAMI MAP 38.5K psi (Transducer).


Offline C. Andrew Dunning

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Re: Sellier&Bellot 9mm Question
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2017, 10:39:13 PM »
Thanks for the info.  I've got a 1000-rnd box of the white-box on its way.  The black-and-gold-box ammo shot better than anything I've tried so far so I figured it was a safe bet.  And...SG's price was kinda hard to pass up...

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