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Offline tact

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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #165 on: August 12, 2017, 01:08:23 PM »
SLRs are nice, but I have used a lot of hand guard/rail systems because I'm picky and the Geiselle Super Modular Rails are the best I've ever had.  They are a lot less expensive than they used to be.

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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #166 on: August 12, 2017, 01:58:32 PM »
They make the MI without the continuous top rail now, but I think you have me sold on the other two aspects. The SLR Solo is on sale right now at Primary Arms for ~15% off right now, but I really want the Helix.

Have you noticed any durability issues with the Helix? SLR had mentioned that the Helix is more fragile than the Solo Ultra Lite and shouldn't be used in rough situations, but I don't know if that just means in combat or 3 gun. I read this thread which is pushing me towards the Helix: http://forums.brianenos.com/topic/234087-slr-helix-mlok-handguard/?tab=comments#comment-2610457

I don't care too much for Geissele's SMR because it costs more and is heavier.

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« Reply #167 on: August 12, 2017, 02:47:32 PM »
Huh, you're right about the top rail; I could have sworn all of their handguards had continuous top rails before.

I can't speak to the durability of the Helix (I'm purely a recreational shooter), but the support 'struts' on the handguard are indeed quite thin. They milled out quite a lot of aluminum to shave weight. I would not expect it to survive abuse like a Geissele (which is engineered for military use - as in getting banged against armor plating constantly), but it seems strong enough for my own sporting purposes. It's a legitimate concern if you want something more rugged - the Helix definitely trades off strength for weight. I can't answer if it's right for you.

Honestly, there's nothing wrong with the MI rail - that was just personal preference on my part. If you can wait, BCM is supposed to be releasing an Mlok handguard later this year; it might be worth a look.

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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #168 on: August 12, 2017, 04:18:47 PM »
Huh, you're right about the top rail; I could have sworn all of their handguards had continuous top rails before.

I can't speak to the durability of the Helix (I'm purely a recreational shooter), but the support 'struts' on the handguard are indeed quite thin. They milled out quite a lot of aluminum to shave weight. I would not expect it to survive abuse like a Geissele (which is engineered for military use - as in getting banged against armor plating constantly), but it seems strong enough for my own sporting purposes. It's a legitimate concern if you want something more rugged - the Helix definitely trades off strength for weight. I can't answer if it's right for you.

Honestly, there's nothing wrong with the MI rail - that was just personal preference on my part. If you can wait, BCM is supposed to be releasing an Mlok handguard later this year; it might be worth a look.

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I've been buying a lot this past month without really looking at my finances  :'( I think unless there's a Helix rail for <$200, I won't be buying. Right To Bear has the SLR 15" Ultra Lite for $190 which is tempting, but I was wanting to go with M-LOK rather than Keymod. The Helix is $220. After shipping it's pretty much the same price as direct from SLR.

I saw the BCM stuff, but it seems quite heavy. Granted, I suspect it's the full length top rail contributing a lot.

I need to remind myself... patience patience patience!  ::)

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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #169 on: August 12, 2017, 05:33:15 PM »
How do you like SLR handguards? Do they actually feel any different from other companies?

They all feel solid but the SLR is slimmer compared to my DD Omega, Centurion and LaRue.




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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #170 on: August 20, 2017, 10:11:07 PM »
I am waiting on my last tool to arrive before I start the actual building -- a Midwest Industries stock wrench -- so I decided to try some color fill on my lower using nail polish. I should have picked a "brighter" red, but it's fine for now. Looks like fresh blood. As for the Anderson roll mark...the horse isn't awful by itself, but IMO there's too much going on there to color fill all of it (and it's an improvement over the original roll mark). There are no markings at all on the right side of the receiver, which is probably a way to cut costs (just $50 for the lower). The result I guess is a really wordy mag-well.



FWIW, the fit and finish are good. The surface of my Aero upper is a little nicer, but the slight contrast when putting the two together isn't a deal breaker (not for my first build or the savings).

Speaking of tools, I ended up buying a Magpul BEV Block. I also borrowed a set of SK punches and roll-pin punches from a friend (much nicer quality than I would have paid for). I was worried he'd need them before I was done, but he said he hasn't used them in 6 years. It's good to know a tool collector!

I still haven't ordered sights yet. An optic is way down the road. I am debating between the Magpul MBUS Gen 2 ($65), Daniel Defense Rock & Lock fixed sights ($125), and the Magpul MBUS Pros ($155). Since they will be my only sights for a while, I'm leaning toward the DDs.
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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #171 on: August 21, 2017, 10:22:59 AM »
What optic are you planning to get in the future? If red dot sight, then a DD is a good choice but if a variable magnified scope, you need a folding rear BUIS.

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« Reply #172 on: August 21, 2017, 10:27:54 AM »
I was thinking red dot for this rifle, ideally a Trijicon MRO (which is why the purchase is further off). The Vortex Sparc II interests me as a budget option. With a magnified optic (even a 1-4X) wouldn't an offset BUIS also be a good choice?
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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #173 on: August 21, 2017, 10:55:54 AM »
If you are going to use an iron sight first and a magnified optic is an option in the future, then a folding rear sight is a better choice.


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« Reply #174 on: August 21, 2017, 11:28:14 AM »
Good advice. I don't think I will put anything but a red dot on this one. But if that changes, then I will just have extra parts for a future build. My 15 y/o wants one now.
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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #175 on: August 21, 2017, 02:50:27 PM »
Thats the great thing about AR builds, you go slow and buy what you want as you can afford it or as it goes on sale

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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #176 on: August 24, 2017, 01:58:14 PM »
It's late enough in the year that I'm more or less holding out for Black Rifle Friday unless I see something utterly absurd.

I do wonder if accessories will get cheaper. A lot of people put their money into rifles/receivers last year; the market is softer in guns/ammo, but I would expect the same people to be trying to kit the rifles they bought last year.

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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #177 on: August 25, 2017, 03:20:46 PM »
It's late enough in the year that I'm more or less holding out for Black Rifle Friday unless I see something utterly absurd.

I do wonder if accessories will get cheaper. A lot of people put their money into rifles/receivers last year; the market is softer in guns/ammo, but I would expect the same people to be trying to kit the rifles they bought last year.

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I'm at the same point. Everything I've bought so far has been ~20% off which is acceptable to me. I see tons of receivers getting marked down quite a bit, but nothing on handguards, BCGs, and other small items.

The SLR Solo Ultra Lite is on sale for 196 over on Right To Bear, but I really want the Helix which seems to be out of stock everywhere (and not on sale) :( 10% isn't enough to make me bite.

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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #178 on: August 25, 2017, 06:40:15 PM »
The only thing I need now is a side charging upper(non-recip). If you guys notice one on sale please let me know. Probably a long shot catching one on sale, but my barrel still isn't ready so I'm trying to be patient. I've been occupying myself with other projects(pre-b, Scorpion, wife's .223) but I'm getting antsy.

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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #179 on: August 29, 2017, 11:26:30 PM »
I've been traveling for work a lot lately; and also busy with various family, church, or social activities over the weekends (e.g., 4 kids and sports). So I was thrilled to finally have the time and energy to get some assembly work done this evening. I stopped just short of finishing the lower. I'll get the buffer assembly on tomorrow night.



I found that installing the magazine catch was the trickiest part. I followed Larry Potterfield's advice to tape up the receiver, but he failed to mention that I should double or triple it up in spots. I ended up with a slight scratch near the buffer tube coupler. What do y'all recommend for touch-up?



Also, what are your opinions on staking the buffer tube vs just using some blue Loctite?
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