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Offline SlvrDragon50

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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #225 on: September 11, 2017, 09:04:25 PM »
I am currently thinking about the Vortex Spitfire AR which seems to be really popular. I am only unsure about the eye relief as it's an unmagnified optic. Otherwise I may get the Sparc AR or a used higher end optic.

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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #226 on: September 11, 2017, 11:39:42 PM »
Holosun is the stuff, with a circle dot reticle! O0

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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #227 on: September 12, 2017, 01:11:34 AM »
Holosun is the stuff, with a circle dot reticle! O0

I need to take a closer look at their offerings. The Vortex pricing is great though especially with all the sales.

Unfortunately... I am worried my handguard may have gone missing from SLR due to Irma... been tracking it, and it was supposed to arrive today, and there's been no update in location.

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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #228 on: September 12, 2017, 08:04:10 PM »
I am currently thinking about the Vortex Spitfire AR which seems to be really popular. I am only unsure about the eye relief as it's an unmagnified optic. Otherwise I may get the Sparc AR or a used higher end optic.

eye relief isn't usually an issue with unmagnified optics.
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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #229 on: September 12, 2017, 09:08:43 PM »
Unmagnified red dot sight....way out there.  Works fine so far.  DP Pro with the triangle instead of the dot.  I figured the RMRs on my P07 and P09 are "way out there" when I'm holding them up out in front of me to shoot, so why not try mounting the DP Pro on the AR15 pistol far out there?  It's not a round tube/lens red dot but it's an unmagnified red dot sight.  Just smaller than most of them.

Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.  So, if you see me walking the dogs with my SIG 556R, its okay.

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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #230 on: September 12, 2017, 10:03:12 PM »
Haha. Yea, I would do that if I already had an RMR or something, but I gotta buy a new optic :(

The Holosuns are looking real nice right now. I just can't figure out the pros/cons of a tube type dot vs. a reflex dot. They seem to have similar sizes. Wish I could try these out in person!

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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #231 on: September 12, 2017, 10:14:59 PM »
I am currently thinking about the Vortex Spitfire AR which seems to be really popular. I am only unsure about the eye relief as it's an unmagnified optic. Otherwise I may get the Sparc AR or a used higher end optic.

eye relief isn't usually an issue with unmagnified optics.

Not with Vortex Spitfire™ AR Prism Scopes, it seems.

http://www.vortexoptics.com/category/spitfire_ar_prism_scope

Eye relief is listed as 3.8".

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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #232 on: September 12, 2017, 10:23:52 PM »
Just when I get my mind around the budget options vs battle worthy, red dot over holographic, etc...I read a recent study on parallax.

https://www.greeneyetactical.com/2017/07/27/comparative-study-of-red-dot-sight-parallax/

I think I'll be using my irons for a while...totally undecided.  :-\
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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #233 on: September 12, 2017, 10:44:33 PM »
Just when I get my mind around the budget options vs battle worthy, red dot over holographic, etc...I read a recent study on parallax.

https://www.greeneyetactical.com/2017/07/27/comparative-study-of-red-dot-sight-parallax/

I think I'll be using my irons for a while...totally undecided.  :-\
You can learn a lot by sticking with irons for a while, at least long enough to figure out exactly what you want out of this rifle. I usually end up making decisions based on price and availability. If I can catch a deal on a used or discounted optic, I buy it. If it doesn't work out I sell it for a minimal loss or hopefully break even. Even if I lose a little, I chalk it up to education.

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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #234 on: September 13, 2017, 07:24:13 AM »
Parallax is not as big an issue if you always have your eye in the same spot behind the sight?  Isn't that the way it goes?  Consistent cheek weld is a big part of that.

I've never shot that AR15, or any true "red dot" type optic farther than 25 yds., but parallax will show up even at that range (has with a scope on my M1A before I got that nice big pad to attach to the stock).

I know I've read parallax isn't an issue with many red dot type sights but then again, maybe they aren't shooting the rifle at a groundhog's head out past 200 yds. or at a squirrel's head at 25 or 30 yds.  Smaller targets show up problems much faster than big targets.

Don't know if I've mentioned it here, but I wouldn't recommend the Lucid red dot sights.  They look good, the work well enough.  And the big draw for me was the use of the AA battery vs. the harder to find tiny batteries many red dot sights use.  The issue is you can put a brand new battery in one, turn it off, put it in the corner and 3 or 4 months from now when you need that rifle, the battery will be dead.  All three (4 if I count that smaller model) are transitioning back to their boxes for sights that don't die when they are waiting to be used.

I have one of the small Primary Arms red dots to put on my wife's AR15 but we just haven't gotten her to the range to take the Lucid off and sight in the PA Microdot.
Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.  So, if you see me walking the dogs with my SIG 556R, its okay.

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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #235 on: September 13, 2017, 01:32:24 PM »
Those are some pretty bold claims to say the dot moves 6+ moa! While I like the methodology, it's a little too subjective still (I can't propose a better method) as there are different dot sizes, tester visual differences, what brightness the dots were at, etc. therefore, I'm hesitant to really believe their findings.

I think M1A4 also brings up the important issue of a consistent cheek weld.


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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #236 on: September 13, 2017, 02:36:10 PM »
If you have never used a red dot look through one first. I don't like them because I don't see a dot. I see a distorted blob due to my eyes.
I use an Eotech holographic sight on the AR10 and an ACOG on the AR15. These both work with my glasses on or off. I have reached an age where I prefer 3 or 4x on a rifle.
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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #237 on: September 13, 2017, 04:22:52 PM »
All good points. The question I have is how does your form/cheek weld hold up in high pressure or less than ideal shooting positions? 6 MOA off at 25 yards is not much on a man size target, but becomes a miss further out. I just found it interesting that manufacturer claims about parallax are not necessarily accurate. Of course, even an Aimpoint T2 (best of the red dots in the test) is not enough to make up for poor training or lack of practice.

I've never used anything other than irons or a scope, so I probably need to take the advice to try a few. I think I read somewhere about red dots and people with corrected vision not being ideal (maybe that's what WVNed is referencing). I have astigmatism in both eyes.
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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #238 on: September 13, 2017, 11:27:28 PM »
My old SP1 seems to shoot within about 3moa with the dot or the irons, with my old eyes.
I just upgraded the rear sight with a NM aperture, and I have a precision front post.

I can look through either on this setup.


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Re: Just bought my first AR... lower.
« Reply #239 on: September 17, 2017, 10:49:20 AM »
Just ordered the last of my AR parts!

Now I'm starting to look at optics, but I think I'm gonna try to get an Eotech EXPS2-0 OPMOD from Optics Planet during Black Friday or something and combine it with the $75 rebate. Hopefully spend a little over 300.