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Offline benq

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Re: Preferred For CC
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2017, 01:14:37 PM »
I EDC the RAMI BD and all my CZs are of the decocker variant. Don't let the DA pull affect your decision. With quality trigger time, you can become proficient in it.

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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2017, 08:55:14 AM »
I intentionally purchased the safety version as all my carry pistols are carried "cocked and locked".
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Re: Preferred For CC
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2017, 04:52:51 PM »
Mine is the safety version and I'd prefer to have the BD, but I carry it in the half cocked position anyway.
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Re: Preferred For CC
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2017, 12:40:15 AM »
Prefer the safety model. I lower the hammer with one in the chamber with no worries. I like the option to use the safety if desired but don't use it as often. I notice a smoother trigger with the non-decocker version but it could be me...

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Re: Preferred For CC
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2017, 10:20:09 AM »
I also have the BD and would not trade it. It is in rotation with my PCR as my edc. My nightstand gun is a P-01 so all have a decocker...

Offline damo4570

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Re: Preferred For CC
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2017, 04:05:28 PM »
I also prefer the decocker. I've heard from a lot of gun instructors that people forget to turn off the safety a lot and it makes sense that, in an adrenaline filled environment, you may forget unless you've trained your muscle memory to do it so often that you don't even think about it. I probably don't train enough to qualify.  ;D

Offline MeatAxe

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Re: Preferred For CC
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2017, 09:33:03 PM »
I also prefer the decocker. I've heard from a lot of gun instructors that people forget to turn off the safety a lot and it makes sense that, in an adrenaline filled environment, you may forget unless you've trained your muscle memory to do it so often that you don't even think about it. I probably don't train enough to qualify.  ;D

Although generations have sworn by the cocked & locked 1911, to me it just introduces another complication to have to swipe off the safety and possibly screw up your grip while bringing the gun into play during the stress of SHTF situation. To me, it just seems much simpler, safer and faster in the long run to draw your weapon with the hammer down on a chambered round, acquire the target, put your finger on the trigger and squeeze off the first round, even if it is a somewhat longer DA pull on the first round, at least you've got one bullet down the pipe on its way to the target, with follow up shots fired single action. The simple equation is that, no matter what, you have to pull the trigger to make your pistol go bang, swiping off a safety just complicates the process, especially when the SHTF.

Even with a 1911 grip safety, drawing cocked and locked can be fraught with danger if you get discombobulated:




That's probably why the US Military recommended carrying the 1911 in Condition 3 - hammer down on an empty chamber with a full magazine, unless, I assume, you were actively engaged in combat. Condition 3 is how I carry my Sig 938 (when I have to be extra stealthy while carrying) because I'm not comfortable carrying single action in Condition 1. Just too many opportunities for the safety to get deactivated while I'm squirming around doing my daily routine, getting in and out of vehicles, etc. (and the 938 doesn't even have a grip safety). Of course, it means I'd have to chamber a round before bringing it into play when the SHTF, but that's just an extra measure of safety to keep me from shooting myself or an innocent bystander.
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Offline ldryder

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Re: Preferred For CC
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2017, 08:20:34 PM »
I prefer to carry a D because my other carry weapons are revolvers and I like the longer trigger travel when carrying. I like the feel of the trigger when the BD is decocked and really like the feel of subsequent shots.

A RAMI B with the hammer down puts the distance of the trigger a bit farther than I'm comfortable with.


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Re: Preferred For CC
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2017, 09:38:57 PM »
I prefer to carry a D because my other carry weapons are revolvers and I like the longer trigger travel when carrying. I like the feel of the trigger when the BD is decocked and really like the feel of subsequent shots.

A RAMI B with the hammer down puts the distance of the trigger a bit farther than I'm comfortable with.


Yep, actually the BD decocked with the hammer down on a chambered round is more or less in a "half cocked" position, which makes the transition from double to single action less drastic.

I wouldn't be crazy about carrying a cocked and locked safety model Rami, or having to decock the hammer by squeezing the trigger and physically releasing it by hand on a chambered round. Accidents will happen

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Re: Preferred For CC
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2017, 09:02:56 PM »
Dad brought his 1911 home from WW II.  I grew up shooting it.  I later carried one in Vietnam  I have had a commander size 1911 for more years than I care to mention.  The main reason cocked and locked seems dangerous to many folks is that many autos are cocked, the hammer is just not visible.  Hitting the safety after drawing seems normal to me, and slows nothing down.  (I am already slow.)  I love the Rami safety model.

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Re: Preferred For CC
« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2017, 05:46:05 PM »
That is exactly I installed C&S SFS system on my custom Colt New Agent. Now I carry my pistol with the hammer down on the loaded chamber. .It is very simple. You rack the slide then manually push the hammer down. It will stop just short of the slide while safety will automatically be pushed up. Now all you have to do is drop the safety, hammer automatically goes to full cock position and you are ready tu pull the trigger.
Pluses: carry a loaded pistol with a hammer down, all you need to do is release safety and you are ready to go. It does not affect the trigger pull although it can not be set any lower than 4lbs.
Great stuff !!! Cylinder and Slide has a video on how it works.

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Re: Preferred For CC
« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2017, 06:48:53 PM »
I can go either way with no problems. I do seem to like decockers better.
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