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Offline SKILCZ

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Re: SAFETY OR DECOCKER
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2017, 07:32:25 AM »
I, too, prefer a decocker with one in the chamber.  If I need to use my pistol defensively, I want to minimize the steps needed to pull the trigger.  Under stress, fine motor control degrades, and flipping a manual safety off is fine motor control.  I also like the ability to safely decock it easily and have a DA first pull. 

I did have a RAMI with a manual safety that I carried cocked and locked, but I ended up selling it and would have bought the decocker version if it were around back then.  Other than SAO, like a 1911, I don't like manual safeties on handguns. 

In fairness, one complaint against decockers is that they have more moving parts and can make your trigger pull worse, but I have no problems with the triggers on my decocker handguns.

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Re: SAFETY OR DECOCKER
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2017, 09:28:45 AM »
I love my decocker. Perfectly safe with one in chamber half cocked. I dont even think about it anymore even when i carry appendix. I had an incident the other day after cleaning my gun, i didnt want to dry fire it to get the hammer down and i tried lowering it manually, it slipped and i decided there and then its not something i will try again. Im good with the decocker. Like the most of the other people here say, safety is just 1 more step.


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Re: SAFETY OR DECOCKER
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2017, 09:50:27 AM »
...i tried lowering it manually, it slipped and i decided there and then its not something i will try again.

I don't know what method you used, but the best way most folks are using to decock their Safety guns is to pinch the hammer FROM THE SIDES with your thumb and forefinger and slowly moving it forward instead of riding your thumb on top and letting it move forward.  You have much more control over the hammer, and it is almost impossible to slip out this way.

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Re: SAFETY OR DECOCKER
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2017, 09:55:46 AM »
...i tried lowering it manually, it slipped and i decided there and then its not something i will try again.

I don't know what method you used, but the best way most folks are using to decock their Safety guns is to pinch the hammer FROM THE SIDES with your thumb and forefinger and slowly moving it forward instead of riding your thumb on top and letting it move forward.  You have much more control over the hammer, and it is almost impossible to slip out this way.
Thank you for that info. That makes sense! Will give it a go. That was not covered in my training i paid a lot for! Don't know why i did not think of that....


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Re: SAFETY OR DECOCKER
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2017, 10:30:21 AM »
That was not covered in my training i paid a lot for! Don't know why i did not think of that....

I grew up shooting revolvers, both SA and DA.  I will always consider myself a "Revolver Guy."  When I first heard about the pinch method, I have to admit that I scoffed a little.  Revolvers have been safely decocked for over a century before the invention of a decocker.  Just slowly ride the hammer forward with your thumb on top and you're good to go. 

I first heard about the pinch method here on the forum around 2008 when I first joined.  From the first time I tried it, I know they were on to something.  It gives you remarkably more control over the hammer than riding it with your thumb.

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Re: SAFETY OR DECOCKER
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2017, 03:27:00 PM »
I don't believe in safeties....but I am happy with the decocker on my 75 SP-01 Tac.

I have an old P-85 Ruger, and refuse to use it's decocker.  I manually lower the hammer on that one. I will tr the 2-finger pinch idea next time though. I've ridden it down with my thumb for over 30 years already, but I am willing to try something new!

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Re: SAFETY OR DECOCKER
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2017, 06:15:41 PM »
An interesting point, in case you aren't aware...

CZs are designed such that if you pull *and then fully release* the trigger before lowering the hammer when manually decocking, even if your thumb slips, the hammer will only fall to the half cock notch. The hammer only travels ALL the way if you pin the trigger to the rear. ;-)
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Re: SAFETY OR DECOCKER
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2017, 08:32:16 PM »
Minority opinion here, so beware.

When I do carry, it is never with "one in the chamber".  Why?

Use of my firearm is absolutely the means of last resort.  Much, much more I rely upon situational awareness to avoid trouble, rather than than confront it.  There are SO many reasons for this.

If you are professional LE, I get it.  You need to be ready to respond to a threat in an instant.  But for the rest of us, avoidance should be the first and best option. 

I never expect to confront a "quick draw" situation, and if I ever do, I have no confidence that quickly firing off a round will be the right answer.  And anyone who does that will surely come under a lot more LE scrutiny, including the likelihood of arrest, than I think is worth it.

I have a permit to carry and use it; I have more firearms than 98% of the population; and have been shooting longer than most have been born; and I'm not a libtard - but the above is just my opinion based on life experience.

Having said that, I strongly prefer a safety, since I grew up with them and have used safeties since before decockers came on the scene.

My wife once asked me "What is a deCocker anyway?" - and I told her that "You don't want to know, dear".  😂

If it's popular, I'm against it.

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Re: SAFETY OR DECOCKER
« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2017, 08:56:42 PM »
I really like the P-07 decocker. It's easy and convenient, unlike my Sig 2022. I carry my 75 pre-B on half cock and the P-07's decocker does the same. Any other pistols of mine with decockers are much older: CZ52, FEG PA63. I must say My Ruger P95-DC gives me no worries at all. It is the proverbial tank including the decocker. The polymer is about three times as thick as anything currently, too. I feel confident using the P-07's decocker, and I like that.

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Re: SAFETY OR DECOCKER
« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2017, 09:02:02 PM »
Isn't that the beauty of it all?
We all get to decide what's best for each of us, and the conditions we expect to find ourselves in.
Personal preference is king!

Like I said above, I don't believe in any safeties other than the one between my ears that's connected to my booger hook.  Which of course also means that if I'm carrying a weapon - I prefer a DA/SA trigger setup and one in the chamber.  It's not going bang that first time unless I make the effort to pull that trigger all the way from home.  I certainly don't want to get into a situation where I pull the weapon, then struggle to get the safety off or have to rack one into the chamber.  I also don't want a rambunctious "target range only" 2# trigger in a defensive weapon.  I love them at the range, but not if I'm planning on defending my life or someone else's with it.  I know full well that those are just too twitchy to pull defensively in a tense situation and not risk a ND or worse - shooting somebody that didn't need being shot.

With that said, I'm much less comfortable with SA only striker-fire weapons with one in the chamber.  Being "old school", or just plain old? I just don't have that much confidence in the extra doodad trigger or grip safeties they employ on some of the weapons I have.  Even if the mags are loaded, I won't carry a DA striker fire with one in the chamber.  If I'm defensively carrying - it's a DA/SA weapon. 

Out in the desert or at the range?  That's a different scenario.

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Re: SAFETY OR DECOCKER
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2017, 10:41:56 PM »
I carry a Shield in 9mm with a safety. After buying my P07, I now want my EDC to be a decocker. I also have a Beretta 92, which of course is a decocker, but the P07 changed my thinking. The Beretta is WAY too heavy for me as an EDC and the P07 almost is. The Shield won't be replaced anytime soon but when it is, it will be a decocker model.   8)

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Re: SAFETY OR DECOCKER
« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2017, 09:11:51 AM »
That was not covered in my training i paid a lot for! Don't know why i did not think of that....

I grew up shooting revolvers, both SA and DA.  I will always consider myself a "Revolver Guy."  When I first heard about the pinch method, I have to admit that I scoffed a little.  Revolvers have been safely decocked for over a century before the invention of a decocker.  Just slowly ride the hammer forward with your thumb on top and you're good to go. 

I first heard about the pinch method here on the forum around 2008 when I first joined.  From the first time I tried it, I know they were on to something.  It gives you remarkably more control over the hammer than riding it with your thumb.
Well i have to admit, you taught me something useful thank you.
There is often situations i want to get the hammer down completely and this is the answer. Still love my decocker though


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Re: SAFETY OR DECOCKER
« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2017, 09:37:00 PM »
Thanks guys.... I'm going to leave the decocker in....

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Re: SAFETY OR DECOCKER
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2017, 11:56:16 AM »
To those who choose to install the "Safety" mode on their P-07/09, consider this:

Aside from the fact that the pistol was originally designed to be decocked using the Decocker and is safe that way, those who choose to convert to "Safety" must rely upon the flimsy, easily bendable, kinkable and definately losable little "Safety" spring. You also are at the mercy of the plastic "detent" part that fits into a detent when the pistol is "on safe".

When my P-07 was new, I too thought a safety might be a good thing (before I saw how the Firing Pin block works).

First "Safety" spring kinked and jammed between the lever and the frame, turning my self-defense weapon into a scratchy-levered fidget-spinner.

2nd "Safety" spring disappeared completely, never to be found again.

Needless to say, there will never be a 3rd "Safety" spring, plastic detent or so-called "Safety".
Once I switched to Decocker--it has functioned flawlessly, safely and reliably and the Decocker will stay on my P-07.

Those who choose to go with the "Safety"; I hope none of this ever happens to you. But a thin spring is a thin spring...so take a look at that flimsy little slinky and ask yourself if you can really depend on it if your life depends on it. And if you can't...why did you want the little slip-bendy-fidget spinner in the first place? It does NOTHING to make a FP blocked pistol safer anyway.

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Re: SAFETY OR DECOCKER
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2017, 10:04:11 PM »
Safety and SAO only for me.
I did use my new P07 (first polymer pistol) with the decocker. It was fine. but before I was going to carry it I switched it over to a safety and carry it cocked and locked.
Not because I did not trust it. And I would never manually decock a weapon.

Both of my previous pistols (one I still own) were SAO. If you train that way there is really no difference. To each his own.
Motor skills under stress? OK, but that means you are just as likely to pull the trigger fully under stress before you mean it. That little extra effort will mean nothing in my mind. Does anyone struggle to pull it in DA mode?
Plus I like to train with a single trigger pull for better trigger control in those high stress bad motor skills situations.

We all know it is your brain and finger that are the real safeties.

Sled

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I sold my 2010 DW CBOB to buy the P07
Still own my Sig P238

 

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