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Offline The Guardian

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527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« on: November 13, 2017, 08:31:10 PM »
which would you choose and why......need some opinions.....thanks!  :)
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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2017, 08:56:31 PM »
What will it be used for?

If I was going to plink/varmint hunt I'd choose .223.

If I was going to plink/deer or wild boar hunt, I'd choose the 7.62X39.

.223 ammo is available just about everywhere.

7.62X39 is harder to find in many localities, but can be ordered in bulk.  Mostly the steel cased stuff loaded in Russia/East Europe.  I use that ammo in my SIG 556R and is works just fine in that semi-auto rifle.  No idea how it would work in a precision made CZ rifle.

Do you reload?  If so, .223 components are much easier to find as well.
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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2017, 10:44:31 PM »
I'd choose the 7.62X39 IF I had a place to shoot it besides a rifle target range. The only place near me that has tactical bays only allows rifles up to 223/5.56 and recently added 300 BLK. I have other rifled in 223/5.56 so when I decided on a CZ 527, I ordered a 300 BLK which came in today.

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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2017, 11:01:06 AM »
I can shoot what I want on my small ranch.  I like the idea of a 7.62X39mm bolt action rifle as a ranch rifle and deer hunting to carry in my Polaris 500 utility vehicle side by side.

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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2017, 07:44:23 PM »
I bought the 7.62x39mm version because I cast and reload for that cartridge, so keeping it fed it quite easy. ;) I wouldn't mind having a .223/5.56mm version to play with to, as I know also reload that round. ;)

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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2017, 09:07:05 PM »
I have and use both. My 7.62x39 is my walking around hog and other large feral animal destroying tool. My .223 is the walking around small to mid-size varmint rifle. If I could only have one, I'd keep the 7.63x39, mostly because of its flexibility with hand loads.  I've shot hogs up to 300 pounds with the .223 and almost always need a second or third shot. I rarely need a second shot with the 7.62x39. If I were going to mostly target shoot or target animals under 120 pounds I probably stick with the .223.

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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2017, 09:24:10 PM »
What will it be used for?

Ah yes.......the question of all questions  ;D   Answer.....pretty much everything and anything. I have AR's (223/5.56) but really want something a bit more "traditional" that could handle most animal needs, and some range time, hence the question.  A 223 seems small for some things and a 308 seems a bit much for some things......the 7.62x39 seems nestled in between the two but able to handle pretty much what either can......maybe not ideally, but practically so.  I wouldn't mind both and that may happen in the future but just wanted some opinions to help narrow it down a bit as to which may be the most universally useful. 
 
Appreciate all the inputs......more always welcome   :)
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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2017, 09:30:20 PM »
What about 6.5 Grendel?

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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2017, 09:50:10 PM »
What about 6.5 Grendel?

Great round, great suggestion........had a 6.5 Creedmoor, though a long action round vs the Grendel being short action, that entire "family" of rounds is excellent.  Wanted something not quite so "designer" so was partial to the 223 or 7.62x39 for their lower cost and easier availability, at least where I am.
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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2017, 09:54:23 PM »
Plus, I really like the Carbine setup with the iron sights......those only come 223 or 7.62  ::)
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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2017, 11:26:16 PM »
I figured the Grendel ammo from Wolf compared favorably to 7.62x39. Not a factor of course since you want a different configuration than CZ has available. Between the two available, I'd have to go with 7.62x39.

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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2017, 07:01:26 PM »
I would spend your money and buy the 7.62 Carbine.  You own ARs so why not branch out a bit.  I own a lefty 223 American and 223 Lux but if the 7.62 came out in a lefty carbine I would already own one.  I would add a NECG peep sight.  If a scope was required a QD mount would allow access to the barrel sight.  I'm just getting comfortable with my Lux and hoping my vision will allow the steady accurate use of iron sights.

My only concern would be ammo availability.  My rifles see handloads or brass case commercial only.  I might pound a SKS with steel core bullets and steel cases but not my CZs.  Besides my indoor range bans steel core ammo. 

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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2017, 08:07:38 PM »
What would be wrong with steel cased ammo in a bolt action rifle?  Not a lot of wear/tear compared to a semi/full auto rifle.

For sighting it in, how many rounds will it take?  Three or four 3 shot groups?  To find out where it hits at 200/300 yds.?  A couple of 3 shot groups at each distance.

Hunting?  On a good day of groundhog hunting I've shot up to 4 of  the little suckers.  I guess some people live in areas were you don't have to "hunt" them though.  Just drive around and shoot them from the truck/ATV.  But for the 7.62X39 it'll be bigger stuff, mostly.  How many deer/hogs a day?

That steel cased ammo can shoot some pretty good groups in the right rifle.

I might, I say might, because I've seen some of the Silver Bear soft points shoot scary good groups out of a cheap old AK, and it might do very well in a bolt action rifle, too, even hunt with the steel cased ammo with the right bullets.  That way I wouldn't worry about losing my brass either.  I lost two pieces of .308 brass when deer hunting at home.  I can take you right to those two spots.  For some reason it really got my goat to lose those two pieces of brass, even though both brought down nice bucks.

Good luck, with which ever one you buy.  I saw a whole table of CZ rifles at the gun show the other day.  Not a couple, a whole table of nothing but CZ rifles.  I only looked at them from a "man, those are pretty (wood/checkering/bluing) standpoint and didn't even look to see what models or calibers they were.  They were just really pretty rifles.
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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2017, 09:02:53 PM »
I mostly shoot handloads, but Hornady's steel cased SST ammo is some excellent stuff and very effective on medium size game. Silver Bear is good accuracy wise, but the bullets are inconsistent on hogs, haven't tried them on deer. They seem to blow up instead of penetrate about 1/3 of the time.  PPU's 123gr soft point is the same way, the older 123gr round nose is great on deer and hogs.

 I've shot as many as 15 hogs over the course of a weekend but rarely more than two before I had to go looking again.

 Most deer in a day with the 7.62x39 was 3 Axis deer in about an hour. All were 1 shot kills from 40 to 80 yards.

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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2017, 11:59:17 PM »
What would be wrong with steel cased ammo in a bolt action rifle?  Not a lot of wear/tear compared to a semi/full auto rifle.

For sighting it in, how many rounds will it take?  Three or four 3 shot groups?  To find out where it hits at 200/300 yds.?  A couple of 3 shot groups at each distance.

Hunting?  On a good day of groundhog hunting I've shot up to 4 of  the little suckers.  I guess some people live in areas were you don't have to "hunt" them though.  Just drive around and shoot them from the truck/ATV.  But for the 7.62X39 it'll be bigger stuff, mostly.  How many deer/hogs a day?

That steel cased ammo can shoot some pretty good groups in the right rifle.

I might, I say might, because I've seen some of the Silver Bear soft points shoot scary good groups out of a cheap old AK, and it might do very well in a bolt action rifle, too, even hunt with the steel cased ammo with the right bullets.  That way I wouldn't worry about losing my brass either.  I lost two pieces of .308 brass when deer hunting at home.  I can take you right to those two spots.  For some reason it really got my goat to lose those two pieces of brass, even though both brought down nice bucks.

Good luck, with which ever one you buy.  I saw a whole table of CZ rifles at the gun show the other day.  Not a couple, a whole table of nothing but CZ rifles.  I only looked at them from a "man, those are pretty (wood/checkering/bluing) standpoint and didn't even look to see what models or calibers they were.  They were just really pretty rifles.

Some reasearch I’ve done actually said the 527 performed better with the steel case ammo....time will tell......ended up getting the 527 Carbine in 7.62x39, haven’t had a chance to get to the range yet  >:(
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