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Offline Practical Shooter

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Re: At what point is civil disobedience exercised ?
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2018, 12:57:42 PM »
Registering as a Democrat would make me feel "dirty".

Could you take one for the team? lol

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Re: At what point is civil disobedience exercised ?
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2018, 02:51:53 PM »
Most of us don't vote in the primaries anyway.
But we would have a lot more chances to make some real differences within the Democratic party than from the Republican party.
If you don?t vote in the primaries you only have yourself to blame.  Thinking you can change the Democrat Party but not the Republican Party is quite foolish.  They?re both corrupt and an influx of conservative values into the Democrat party won?t change anything.  It will simply weaken the Republican Party.

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Re: At what point is civil disobedience exercised ?
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2018, 08:09:04 PM »
Yep.  Best to vote for the non-establishment republican after stumping for him/her, then holding your nose when voting for those establishment republicans in the general, then bombarding them with your ideals based on the the constitution and common sense, human behavior.  A Dem in office couldn't care less, but might send you a form letter.

At some point more establishment Repubes will realize why the Donald won the presidential primary.

Except for maybe Sherriff,  there is no way I could vote for a Dem with their failed jackbooted socialist agenda.  I just wish those high up Dems who have even admitted crime would be prosecuted.  This is Trumps biggest failure IMO.

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Re: At what point is civil disobedience exercised ?
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2018, 10:58:05 PM »
?Were an armed insurrection to occur it would quickly be squashed by our military which has vastly superior fire power and technological toys that would defeat such an attempt.?

Perhaps, perhaps not.  Like a lot of things it depends on scale and intent.  I apologize for the following wandering and only semi-coherent pile of thoughts. It proalso reveals I am a Yankee and not of Southern heritage.  In contrast to civil disobedience, revolution is a very big step.  Short of revolution, idea of the Army being used as a tool to enforce tyranny widely across America is nuts for several reasons:

Including ARNG Divisions, the Army has 19 divisions.  In 2007 when I was in Baghdad for the ?Surge? we had the equivalent of 1.5 divisions in Baghdad alone... and that was an Army of occupation. To that standard, LA would take more than half the Army alone.  In 1994, we put virtually the entire combat strength of the 82nd Airborne Division in Miami following Hurricane Andrew for security support (pretty limited effect standing there with a radio but without arrest powers or ammunition)  to what was left of the cops. (Cleaning up debris, providing C2 comms, and log support worked to a degree) We have over 320 million Americans, and under a million soldiers in uniform for a ratio of 320:1. The world?s armies are fundamentally organized to fight each other in rural areas - not the dense, urban reality of the modern world.

Plus, the officer Corps (and NCO Corps) thinks a lot like I do - I know my oath, I know the Constitution, and have a pretty good grasp of Posse Comitatus.

So a general uprising spread across America is probably beyond the capabilities of the Arm even if they were so motivated. Plus, instead of enforcing tyranny, I think you?d find entire units ?defecting? to defend the Constitution. 

However, a localized, organized armed insurrection intended to overthrow the elected Government and the Constitution is a different story.  The idea of protecting the constitution by overthrowing the Govt gets more complicated.

So protest and even disrupt life with the aim of driving change within the bounds of the Constitution all we need.  That would be a case where I choose to leave my gun(s) at home - even if I do have some cached against a rainy day.

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Re: At what point is civil disobedience exercised ?
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2018, 01:37:50 AM »
For the sake of stopping things before they get really out of control, I'm putting this one to bed. We'll end this with GO VOTE.