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Offline s0nspark

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Re: **AIWB** p10c -OR- P07?
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2017, 11:37:25 AM »
Sorry:  Its just when I read people saying that when you reholster it won't be under stress I get really 'stressed'.  My son is a cop and has been for a few years.  He's been through two academies, one very tough.  I've watched him handle firearms for 10 years.  I MIGHT trust he's fine with AIWB. 

Train hard - yes.  It won't replicate drawing on a human target. Just something to keep in mind reference the OP.

BTW - I don't know the training or background of anyone on here, so this is NOT meant to label anyone or condemn their choice.  However, AIWB seems to be very popular these days, and I don't think many people have thought through it completely.  Also BTW, my son has considered it, but considers the risks too high.  Again, he's about the best 'gunhandler' I know.

As usual, Brian ... excellent points.

Cops absolutely DO have to reholster under extreme stress - to go hands on, among other things. They often need to perform other tasks while an event is still underway.Civilians, typically do not have that need - at least not to the same degree. (Anything is possible.) Typically, if a civilian has to draw then they shouldn't be in any hurry to reholster... however, that doesn't mean they wouldn't still be reholstering under stress after an event! I think people often conflate the two.

As for AIWB, it sure is the trendy thing these days but that shouldn't be considered a negative, necessarily. Popularity can drive training, techniques and equipment forward, after all. I came to AIWB out of necessity - carrying strong side behind the hip just did not work well enough for my physiology and my performance in and out of the holster clearly reflected that.

As an aside, I do prefer consistency so if I had to carry strong side OWB on the job, I would likely prefer strong side IWB when carrying concealed off the job... assuming I could pull that off well enough, which I can't. Fortunately I am able to carry the same way on and off the job. (One part of my job responsibilities is to lead the company security team... so I am most definitely armed at work.)

There certainly are benefits to AIWB but there are also some serious concerns regarding it, as well, and one should weigh them fully before deciding. Even though it is the only way I carry - and I do not ever see that changing - it is not the carry method I recommend for new shooters or anyone carrying a striker fired gun without a thumb safety. (That is just my opinion ... but it's a good one LOL)

I also firmly believe that choice of holster is critical with AIWB carry... not just for comfort (although that is a factor) but you really need a purpose built holster to be as safe as the carry method requires. Also, just to reiterate - training is a must IMO and you absolutely cannot allow yourself to be complacent.
 
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Re: **AIWB** p10c -OR- P07?
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2017, 02:48:40 PM »
Sorry:  Its just when I read people saying that when you reholster it won't be under stress I get really 'stressed'.  My son is a cop and has been for a few years.  He's been through two academies, one very tough.  I've watched him handle firearms for 10 years.  I MIGHT trust he's fine with AIWB. 

Train hard - yes.  It won't replicate drawing on a human target. Just something to keep in mind reference the OP.

BTW - I don't know the training or background of anyone on here, so this is NOT meant to label anyone or condemn their choice.  However, AIWB seems to be very popular these days, and I don't think many people have thought through it completely.  Also BTW, my son has considered it, but considers the risks too high.  Again, he's about the best 'gunhandler' I know.

As usual, Brian ... excellent points.

Cops absolutely DO have to reholster under extreme stress - to go hands on, among other things. They often need to perform other tasks while an event is still underway.Civilians, typically do not have that need - at least not to the same degree. (Anything is possible.) Typically, if a civilian has to draw then they shouldn't be in any hurry to reholster... however, that doesn't mean they wouldn't still be reholstering under stress after an event! I think people often conflate the two.

As for AIWB, it sure is the trendy thing these days but that shouldn't be considered a negative, necessarily. Popularity can drive training, techniques and equipment forward, after all. I came to AIWB out of necessity - carrying strong side behind the hip just did not work well enough for my physiology and my performance in and out of the holster clearly reflected that.

As an aside, I do prefer consistency so if I had to carry strong side OWB on the job, I would likely prefer strong side IWB when carrying concealed off the job... assuming I could pull that off well enough, which I can't. Fortunately I am able to carry the same way on and off the job. (One part of my job responsibilities is to lead the company security team... so I am most definitely armed at work.)

There certainly are benefits to AIWB but there are also some serious concerns regarding it, as well, and one should weigh them fully before deciding. Even though it is the only way I carry - and I do not ever see that changing - it is not the carry method I recommend for new shooters or anyone carrying a striker fired gun without a thumb safety. (That is just my opinion ... but it's a good one LOL)

I also firmly believe that choice of holster is critical with AIWB carry... not just for comfort (although that is a factor) but you really need a purpose built holster to be as safe as the carry method requires. Also, just to reiterate - training is a must IMO and you absolutely cannot allow yourself to be complacent.
I've also noticed when watching people at the range that well over half the shooters drawing from behind the hip flag themselves on the draw and/or reholster. The muzzle flags their pelvic area all the way across the body every time. They have no clue they're doing it. Not sure I would consider that much better than appendix.

I started recording myself drawing to diagnose problems. Found that training in front of a mirror it was hard to tell if there was an issue because I could really only focus on one area at a time. With the video I can play it back as much as necessary for analysis. I was able to correct a deficiency in my draw stroke pretty quickly this way.

Regardless of your carry method just train for it, and do it seriously and thoughtfully.

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Re: **AIWB** p10c -OR- P07?
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2017, 03:29:09 PM »
Sorry:  Its just when I read people saying that when you reholster it won't be under stress I get really 'stressed'.  My son is a cop and has been for a few years.  He's been through two academies, one very tough.  I've watched him handle firearms for 10 years.  I MIGHT trust he's fine with AIWB. 

Train hard - yes.  It won't replicate drawing on a human target. Just something to keep in mind reference the OP.

BTW - I don't know the training or background of anyone on here, so this is NOT meant to label anyone or condemn their choice.  However, AIWB seems to be very popular these days, and I don't think many people have thought through it completely.  Also BTW, my son has considered it, but considers the risks too high.  Again, he's about the best 'gunhandler' I know.

As usual, Brian ... excellent points.

Cops absolutely DO have to reholster under extreme stress - to go hands on, among other things. They often need to perform other tasks while an event is still underway.Civilians, typically do not have that need - at least not to the same degree. (Anything is possible.) Typically, if a civilian has to draw then they shouldn't be in any hurry to reholster... however, that doesn't mean they wouldn't still be reholstering under stress after an event! I think people often conflate the two.

As for AIWB, it sure is the trendy thing these days but that shouldn't be considered a negative, necessarily. Popularity can drive training, techniques and equipment forward, after all. I came to AIWB out of necessity - carrying strong side behind the hip just did not work well enough for my physiology and my performance in and out of the holster clearly reflected that.

As an aside, I do prefer consistency so if I had to carry strong side OWB on the job, I would likely prefer strong side IWB when carrying concealed off the job... assuming I could pull that off well enough, which I can't. Fortunately I am able to carry the same way on and off the job. (One part of my job responsibilities is to lead the company security team... so I am most definitely armed at work.)

There certainly are benefits to AIWB but there are also some serious concerns regarding it, as well, and one should weigh them fully before deciding. Even though it is the only way I carry - and I do not ever see that changing - it is not the carry method I recommend for new shooters or anyone carrying a striker fired gun without a thumb safety. (That is just my opinion ... but it's a good one LOL)

I also firmly believe that choice of holster is critical with AIWB carry... not just for comfort (although that is a factor) but you really need a purpose built holster to be as safe as the carry method requires. Also, just to reiterate - training is a must IMO and you absolutely cannot allow yourself to be complacent.
I've also noticed when watching people at the range that well over half the shooters drawing from behind the hip flag themselves on the draw and/or reholster. The muzzle flags their pelvic area all the way across the body every time. They have no clue they're doing it. Not sure I would consider that much better than appendix.

I started recording myself drawing to diagnose problems. Found that training in front of a mirror it was hard to tell if there was an issue because I could really only focus on one area at a time. With the video I can play it back as much as necessary for analysis. I was able to correct a deficiency in my draw stroke pretty quickly this way.

Regardless of your carry method just train for it, and do it seriously and thoughtfully.

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I wanted to add that YouTube videos and internet articles are no substitute for hands-on, in-person training. Find an qualified instructor who teaches whichever carry method you choose and throw some money at them...it will be well spent.

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Re: **AIWB** p10c -OR- P07?
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2017, 11:34:46 PM »
Thank you for the input. All are valid.  I have spent $$ on training but always asses my limitations as any learning experience from the slightest mistake can cost you more than just your gonads. Would not want to hit that femoral artery :-\ . Double action seems more of the wise choice  due to the slight safety features to striker fired. All the best and happy holidays.

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Re: **AIWB** p10c -OR- P07?
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2017, 12:50:55 PM »
I went with the P07 for exactly these reasons. I carry it AIWB in a JM Custom Kydex holster. Knowing my thumb is on an uncocked hammer is a good thing when reholstering.

I also didn't especially like the P10c

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Re: **AIWB** p10c -OR- P07?
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2017, 04:47:48 PM »
 I hear you.
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Re: **AIWB** p10c -OR- P07?
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2017, 10:42:09 PM »
P07 for the win. My RMR’d 07 is my daily carry gun carried AIWB.