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GENERAL => Ammunition, questions, and handloading techniques => Topic started by: Sidecar2 on July 06, 2018, 11:47:03 PM
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There are a lot of 9mm bullets to choose from:
- Brand name like Sierra or Hornady
- No brand FMJ and JHP, like from Evergladesamm.com
- Cast bullets
- Acrylic coated cast bullet
Then there are shapes:
- Standard RN
- Flat point
- JHP
- Hollow base
YouTube personalities like Hickock45 prefer 124gr 9mm.
What's your preferred weight (115, 124, 147), shape (RN, JHP, FN) and type (jacketed, plated, lubed or acrylic coated) of 9mm bullet for reloading?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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I like 125gr RN Blue Bullets in 356 diameter.
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Jacketted .355/.356 124 gr JHPs that feed and shoot smoothly in my pistols for their uses..
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SD practice 124 gr Hornaday XTP.
Plinking/standard practice, 124 gr Lee cast bullet, home cast by me and powder coated.
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Precision Delta 115 grain hollow points. These shoot very good groups in every CZ 9MM we have.
I've tried 124 grain LRN, 147 grain plated hollow points, 124 grain plated hollow points, 124 grain hollow points, 147 grain LTC and 140 grain LSWC but none of them stacks up to the PD 115's, so far. I'm still trying different powders. I also have some 123 grain coated lead bullets I've not yet tried. Brands are Berry's, Nosler, Missouri Bullet Co., Rainier, Summer's Enterprises, Zero bullets and one or two others I can't quite remember right now.
Bought some different powder a few months back and may buy a different type this morning at the gun show.
Maybe my standards are too high.
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124gr PD JHP, only becasue I can't get Zero 124gr JHP as cheaply or as easily !
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RMR truncated cone flat point 124 Gr
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My main bullet I used for a long time was the Xtreme 135 RNFP @ .356, really great bullet & super accurate out of my CZs but I'm cheap and found other 135s for less that shoot just as good.I have tried most styles and shapes weights but always come back to the 135s. They are a great balance of everything I like no matter what powder/load I use. I buy 135 RN .356 HyTech Coated from both Gallant & Summers Ent and both shoot excellent out of all my guns so again what I can find cheapest,,LOL I also get 148 cast RN bullets from a buddy that we powder coat & those really work great also but typically find myself leaning towards the 135s. I've tried to convince him to get a 135 RN mold but no luck,,,"yet" ;)
https://www.xtremebullets.com/9mm-135-RNFP-p/xc9mm-135rnfp-b0500.htm
http://www.summersenterprisesllc.com/9mm-125gr-500-ct-box-hard-cast-lead-bullet-p/hi-tek-9mm-135gr-500.htm
https://gallantbullets.com/collections/cast-bullet-collection/products/135gr-round-nose?variant=8168730263649
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I would have to give you a dozen different bullets to cover the bases for what I have done, do, and might do with 9mm. I pick bullets for a specific use in a specific gun, not simply a specific caliber. If the specific use calls for 9mm, I'd still need to know the application to choose which pistol to use, then from the pistol give you the bullet weight, profile, and type for that application. ;)
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For plinking, matches and just practice in general, I use Eggleston 124gr conical bullets
They're not the best, but I get them really inexpensively and they feed and shoot well enough
If I want the very best accuracy, I've been using PD 124 JHPs
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I like 124/135gr plated, 124/125/130ge coated for range and 124gr JHP for SD/HD.
My favorite JHP bullet is Hornady XTP.
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I have tried numerous weights but I have used 124/125 extensively. Plated,FMJ and coated have all worked well.
I like the TJ Conevera 125 JHP as they are very accurate but they tend to get expensive if you do a lot of shooting.
I am currently on my second 1000 of the 135 RN from SNS Casting and I have no complaints with them. The 135 seems to shoot soft, knocks down steel well and is accurate too.
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I am currently on my second 1000 of the 135gr RN from SNS Casting and I have no complaints with them. The 135gr seems to shoot soft, knocks down steel well and is accurate too.
Have you tried the 135gr RN from Missouri Bullet. They call it the IDP#8. You can get them Hi-Tek coated or lubed.
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YES! That's the only 135 that I can get the accuracy from that I am accustomed to.
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I also liked the test batch of the TJ .356" 125 gr JHP, but they aren't SD bullets and for the cost the Zero 125s (with conventional ogive) were at least as good.. The PD 124 JHP is my compromise. The Zeros when available are very good for range and comp. in my pistols at around 130-132 PF.
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I have never shot any of the Missouri bullets but have shot many thousands of the Zero bullets from Roze but availability ran me away.
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124gr PD JHP, only becasue I can't get Zero 124gr JHP as cheaply or as easily !
Mr. Wobbly, I want to thank you for your treatise on determining OAL. It was very helpful.
As there are so many bullet shapes available -- and very few of them are called out by name in loading manuals -- I'm on my own as to OAL.
I bought 1000 Bear Creek .45 230gr Hollow Base, Hollow Point moly coated slugs initially for my Long Colt. But they work in a .45ACP too, so I loaded a few up. But how to determine OAL with a flat hollow point?
Sure enough, when I was at the range, my Commander refused to go into battery. Cartridge was too long.
I returned home and went through your "Test Cartridge" process to find where the bullet hit the rifling, then shortened it up by at least 0.015", as you suggest. They all fit the barrel now, with a satisfying "plunk" or "tink" and fall out on their own. .
I need to do this same process with my multiple varieties of 9mm pills: FMJ, coated cast, JHP, Flat Nose. And my wife shoots .380 ACP. Lots of different bullets to seat properly.
It really the only way to assure reliable feeding.
Thanks again.
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YES! That's the only 135 that I can get the accuracy from that I am accustomed to.
These bullets look interesting what do they charge for shipping for 1K, is it Flat Rate or based off your Zip? I'm not gonna make an account unless I have too,LOL
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Mr. Wobbly, I want to thank you for your treatise on determining OAL. It was very helpful.
I'm glad it helped. OAL can really stump some reloaders with their first CZ. Of course I can't take credit for the method. It was old as the hills when it was taught to me.
As there are so many bullet shapes available -- and very few of them are called out by name in loading manuals -- I'm on my own as to OAL.
You were already "on your own", you just didn't know it. The OALs mentioned in the manuals are simply a record of what the lab used for testing, and not a recommendation. Reloading manuals are merely saying 'Here's what we did and no one died. Now go make it fit your gun.'
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what do they charge for shipping for 1K?
It's flat rate $14.00 up to 3000 bullets for bullets 150gr or less. So 1000 of these is $14.00 shipping. 3000 is $14.00 shipping. And 3500 is $28.00 shipping.
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I typically use 124 hvy plated except for 1 steel shoot I do with hvy poppers. I do 147 gold dots on those.
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what do they charge for shipping for 1K?
It's flat rate $14.00 up to 3000 bullets for bullets 150gr or less. So 1000 of these is $14.00 shipping. 3000 is $14.00 shipping. And 3500 is $28.00 shipping.
Thanks for the info ! That's a decent price for 3K of 135grn bullets. Prices are in the ball park with other places so maybe worth a try sometime. Although I got 3300 from Galant & it was FREE shipping. Took awhile to get them but so far they have been great bullets. Thanks again ! ;)
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another vote for 124 grain bullets.
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124gr PD JHP, only becasue I can't get Zero 124gr JHP as cheaply or as easily !
My favorite bullet is the Zero 147gr JHP. Unfortunately, it does seem that Zero has not lowered their bullet prices as the price of loaded ammunition has fallen.
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Bret, unfortunately the Zero bullet popularity allows them to charge what the market will bear. This is a goal for most successful businesses.
With this popularity, I always wonder why they don't expand so they don't have to shut down one type of bullet line to restart another. :-*
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With this popularity, I always wonder why they don't expand so they don't have to shut down one type of bullet line to restart another. :-*
Harley-Davidson expanded big time, then the demand dropped like a lead balloon. Now they are shutting down factories and laying off employees. The stock price has taken a huge hit. They could easily go under.
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124gr PD JHP, only becasue I can't get Zero 124gr JHP as cheaply or as easily !
My favorite bullet is the Zero 147gr JHP. Unfortunately, it does seem that Zero has not lowered their bullet prices as the price of loaded ammunition has fallen.
Zero 147gr JHP are $110 for 1000, or $105/1000 when you guy 2000 or more. That is in my opinion exceedingly inexpensive for high quality 147gr jacketed bullets. It's basically the same they charge for their 125gr bullets, and only a doolar more per 1000 than Precision Delta charges for their 147gr RN and FP, and less than Montana Gold's 147gr bullets. Zero's prices for their 147gr bulllets are pretty great IMO.
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Wobbly, I agree in principle with your analogy; but for a very long time, I've never seen where ZERO could keep up with the demand for several of their popular competition bullets.
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What's your preferred weight (115, 124, 147), shape (RN, JHP, FN) and type (jacketed, plated, lubed or acrylic coated) of 9mm bullet for reloading?
Inquiring minds want to know.
115g.....JHP......Jacketed (a little redundant ::) ) . The 115g is the most prominent weight and is used most by LE, though in +P, +P+ variations.
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Looks like folks have found some good combinations. The only reason I haven't reloaded my own ammo is that I couldn't survive the testing or the variations. Once I found a box ammo supplier that was consistent and which shot well, I stopped looking and concentrated on learning to pull the trigger without moving the gun. What I settled on was an Atlanta Arms 115 JHP which I think uses a Zero bullet, not sure. That bullet was good for 1" at 50 yards from a wrist rest last Sunday in my backup 75B 9mm slide with a CGW 10x bushing. I've shot maybe a dozen sub 1.5" 50 yard groups with that combination.
The AA 115 JHP also works well in my P-09/07 pistols. The limitation seems to be my eyesight and trigger control, never the ammo. I can't duplicate the hold from one shot to the next well enough to distinguish any variation in the ammo, out to 200 yards.
But I could buy another used truck for what I will spend on new ammo over the next few years. I should learn to load my own, I know, I know. Maybe after I retire.
Joe
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I would have to give you a dozen different bullets to cover the bases for what I have done, do, and might do with 9mm. I pick bullets for a specific use in a specific gun, not simply a specific caliber. If the specific use calls for 9mm, I'd still need to know the application to choose which pistol to use, then from the pistol give you the bullet weight, profile, and type for that application. ;)
Any suggestions for a coated 124-135gr bullet in a Shadow for USPSA. Sport Pistol powder.
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using Ibejiheads 147 flat nosed with W231 3.4 , CCI Primers and having great luck. My buddy and I have tried almost a dozen different combinations 124, 135 a few different types of bullets and this combo is working very well. Pf is right around 130 so shoots very flat from my Shadow 2
DeltaPoint flat head 147's were the other BH that we found was very accurate and reliable.
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We had been running 124gr Bayou Bullets with TiteGroup, but after a little tinkering, we've swapped it up some. Now, we use the following...
155gr Swamp Popper coated RN (local bullet maker)
3.0gr Sport Pistol
Fiocchi small pistol primer
1.125 OAL
Works in my wife's XDMs (5.25 main gun and OSP 4.5 backup) and my "old as dirt" SP01, as well as my TriStar P120. Recoil is so light it's almost comical. Makes 131pf in the SP01 and the 4.5 XDM.
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Most of what I shoot is a MP 359-125 sized to .358 and lubed w/ White Label 2500+ or CR. Weight ranges from a 125 hollow point to a 135 grain solid. I rarely cast hollow points so it?s mostly 135s. I also have a MP 357-135 which is the same profile but the mold drops bullets at .357 and is a solid only mold. I have it strictly for a PPS. It doesn?t like anything over .356. And sizing down from .359 is a bit to much. I rarely shoot jacketed since the cost is to high.
If I want any heavier I will use a NOE 358-155 TC ELCO. It was designed from the ground up for the 9mm. It?s one of the most accurate molds I own. Bullets drop at 158 grains w/ the alloy I use. The hollow point version, which I don?t own because I don?t like NOE?s RG molds, was designed to drop a 147 grain bullet.
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I use (my favorite) is PD 124g JHP
I have also started using some Bayou 124 coated RN because a buddy of mine swore by them.
I have tried a bunch of different ones and continue to try various styles but always seem to come back to PD 124g JHP
RCG
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My preferred bullet so far is the H&S 147gr FP. Also tried Gallant 147gr FP in .357 dia. I know its not on the list but currently trying a Blue Bullet 135gr TC for the cost(6.4 cents per).
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Any suggestions for a coated 124-135gr bullet in a Shadow for USPSA. Sport Pistol powder.
Missouri Bullet Co (MBC) has a 130gr coated RN they call IDP#8 which is 0.357" dia. This runs great in CZs. You can order this as a "bundle", which is what MBC calls the maximum number of bullets you can ship in a single USPS Priority Shipping box. That works out to be around 3000 bullets. That's their best delivered price. You'll get them in 3 days.
There is a IDP#8 bullet test thread and that powder got tested:
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=96152.msg739645#msg739645
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147 gr RN Blue bullet
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Berry's plain base 9mm (.356) 124 grain Flat Points, purchased by the 1000.
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My shooting buddy and I roll our own and lately. We've been using the Ibejihead 147 flatheads. Win 231 and CCI primers loaded at 3.4 grains coming in right at a PF of 130. they shoot nice and flat out of my Shadow 2 and his Target II.
I also like the Deltapoint 147 flatheads but they are a bit more expensive and for the volume we shoot.... the cheaper that performs, the better. :)
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Blue Bullets 125 TC's. RN is fine too but I can load longer in my CZ & 1911 with the TC.
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Blue Bullets 125 TC's. RN is fine too but I can load longer in my CZ & 1911 with the TC.
That matters why?
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PD 124gr JHP w/231 or HP-38, SNS 147gr HiTek NLG FP w/WSF
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I use CamPro bullets. I like 124 and 147 grain. I've had more success with the 124 grain. 2 different 1911 nines I've owned did not like the 147 grain.
Lately I've been shooting 40 s&w with 180 grain CamPros.
These are plated bullets by the way. I just bought some Zero 165 JHP bullets. I really like there accuracy so far. They definitely shoot better than plated bullets and they're very reasonably priced.
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I prefer 124 grain myself for the CZ?s, just received 1,000 magtech to try out ? was the sweet spot for value when I did my last order. (196 delivered) Couldn?t resist
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Blue Bullets 125 TC's. RN is fine too but I can load longer in my CZ & 1911 with the TC.
Ah oh, now you did it!!! LOLOL
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My favorite bullet for CZ75B is 356-120-TC. I cast this bullet using an alloy of 9 lbs. wheel weights and 1 lb. 50/50 bar solder.